Let's hear the f word

[layoutshooter]

The government losing a little control is the important step and thing to focus on. Just because someone has the right to curse doesn't mean they will abuse it ot even use it. You are trying to say you want the government to impose your views and what you think is appropriate, that is a dangerous two way street. The freedoms we have as a society are given to all people, and yes even the ones thst might do or say things we don't like. The restrictions imposed take away power from the people and hand it over to the government to be used and abused as they see fit, I would rather trust the people.

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AS I said, it will be a win for free speech.

I do, however, without a doubt, believe that they will go beyond abuse. Most everything I see and hear today tells me that. Every year, I watch less and less TV. The quality of the programming is going down hill. The comedy, for the most part, is potty comedy. All they do is see how far they can push things.

Again, sooner or later it will be a free for all, EXCEPT, no prayer in school, cussing is OK though. NO bibles in school, and on it will go.

The SAME people is Hollywood who "cry" about NOT being able to use the "F" word, after all, it is a RIGHT to do so, are the EXACT same ones trying to eliminate the 2nd Amendment.

It will be a win for free speech, but a hollow, biased one. It will end up being a net loss for dignity, politeness, and in the end, it won't matter, the Constitution will still be just as dead. Killed by those who wanted to cuss.

It is called a "smokescreen". Give the "People" more freedom on the air and take away everything else.

 

[21cExp]

Ragman's avatar. I associate it to Red Skelton. Am I wrong ?

I think it is Emmet Kelly, truly a clown of clowns, one of the greats. Skelton had a similar character on his show, but not Emmet Kelly, I don't think. Could be wrong, but his av always makes me think Emmet Kelly.

edit: Here's more on Emmet Kelly, who, it turns out, was a close friend of Red Skelton: http://www.joeykelly.com/emmett.htm

I grew up learning that Emmet Kelly was the greatest, most famous, clown ever for his sad act. Read the article, very cool and interesting that he traveled the world as much as he did, worked with Ringling Bros & Barnum & Bailey, and, interestingly enough with the mention of baseball in this thread, became the human mascot of the Dodgers.

 

[Turtle]

We will never know if it would have had the same impact. I doubt claiming not a single person who heard it live thinks he was wrong again something that cannot be proved.

Probably not, but the Commissioner's office hasn't received a single complaint, nor has the Boston Red Sox organization, nor has the FCC, who routinely gets complaints (current backlog: 1.5 million) for every little thing.

As for never knowing if it would have had the same impact if that word had been omitted, it was an emotional word used in an emotion setting to convey a strong emotion. By definition when you remove some of that emotion it must have a lessened impact. There is simply no way it cannot. The message would have been the same, but the emotion would not. The only way someone would think it would have a different or lesser impact would be someone who has a complete disconnect to the event and did not see it live.

 

[LDB]

It's okay if you disagree.

 

[zorry]

I had thought maybe Red had painted that picture. Or it was a painting of Red.
Red was a little ahead of my time.

 

[layoutshooter]

I think it is Emmet Kelly, truly a clown of clowns, one of the greats. Skelton had a similar character on his show, but not Emmet Kelly, I don't think. Could be wrong, but his av always makes me think Emmet Kelly.

Skelton's clown character was "Freddy the Freeloader".

Skelton is also in the clown Hall of Fame.

 

[LDB]

I also believe the avatar is Emmett Kelly, the best outright clown ever. Red Skelton had his Freddie the Freeloader character which was also extremely good but he did so much more than that. Mr. Kelly on the other hand did nothing else, honing and perfecting his craft. Another fine example of true talent.

 

[zorry]

The Ortiz statement would have been less meaningful if the F word was heard 100 times during each baseball broadcast.

 

[LDB]

As for never knowing if it would have had the same impact if that word had been omitted, it was an emotional word used in an emotion setting to convey a strong emotion. By definition when you remove some of that emotion it must have a lessened impact. There is simply no way it cannot. The message would have been the same, but the emotion would not. The only way someone would think it would have a different or lesser impact would be someone who has a complete disconnect to the event and did not see it live.

Incorrect. Words are not emotion. Words are a tool to convey thoughts and information. Emotion is internal. Emotion comes from the soul and is presented. It doesn't come from words themselves. The same person can absolutely have the same level of emotion and present the same level of emotion while using different words to do so. It is absolutely possible to have equal emotion.

 

[xiggi]

Incorrect. Words are not emotion. Words are a tool to convey thoughts and information. Emotion is internal. Emotion comes from the soul and is presented. It doesn't come from words themselves. The same person can absolutely have the same level of emotion and present the same level of emotion while using different words to do so. It is absolutely possible to have equal emotion.

But the impact can vary with words chosen. If he had not used the word he did it most likely would have not received the press it did. However again we will never know for sure.

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[Turtle]

Incorrect. Words are not emotion. Words are a tool to convey thoughts and information. Emotion is internal. Emotion comes from the soul and is presented. It doesn't come from words themselves. The same person can absolutely have the same level of emotion and present the same level of emotion while using different words to do so. It is absolutely possible to have equal emotion.

The premise, set forth by you, by the way, was the same speech with the f-word omitted, not "using different words."

But, OK then, rewrite his speech to convey the same, exact emotion.

 

[layoutshooter]

But the impact can vary with words chosen. If he had not used the word he did it most likely would have not received the press it did. However again we will never know for sure.

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Then again, it could also have a GREATER effect on those who don't feel the need to curse on every other word, if he had used another word, if he knew one.

 

[21cExp]

My octagenarian mother, at times, drops the F bomb to great effect; usually to the dismay of those outside the clan and to the great delight of those of us she spawned.

The sparseness of anything, words in this case, or just about anything else otherwise, makes it more appreciated.

 

[layoutshooter]

The premise, set forth by you, by the way, was the same speech with the f-word omitted, not "using different words."

But, OK then, rewrite his speech to convey the same, exact emotion.

It is not possible for one person to convey the "exact same emotion" that another person has. They may be able to simulate it, get very close, but that's it. It was HIS emotion. He chose to convey it as he did. It is was it is, there were other ways. It was not his way.

 

[Turtle]

It is not possible for one person to convey the "exact same emotion" that another person has. They may be able to simulate it, get very close, but that's it. It was HIS emotion. He chose to convey it as he did. It is was it is, there were other ways. It was not his way.

I agree. But Leo does not. That's why I asked him to prove his statement isn't meaningless.

 

[Turtle]

I do have to wonder how many participants in this thread have actually read the FCC Public Notice on this issue, and understand why the FCC issued the Notice, and what the changes, if any, might actually mean.

 

[xiggi]

Then again, it could also have a GREATER effect on those who don't feel the need to curse on every other word, if he had used another word, if he knew one.

Doubtful it would have got the coverage it did. To insinuate he didn't know another word is another word i can't think of to convey my emotion on it.

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[layoutshooter]

I do have to wonder how many participants in this thread have actually read the FCC Public Notice on this issue, and understand why the FCC issued the Notice, and what the changes, if any, might actually mean.

It really does not matter what this particular notice and possible changes that may come about. What matters is the word "incrementalism". One step at a time. Just as they have been doing with gun control. Just as they have been chipping away at everything. It's just one more step.

 

[xiggi]

I do have to wonder how many participants in this thread have actually read the FCC Public Notice on this issue, and understand why the FCC issued the Notice, and what the changes, if any, might actually mean.

The snopes link i posted basically covers it.

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[zorry]

I do have to wonder how many participants in this thread have actually read the FCC Public Notice on this issue, and understand why the FCC issued the Notice, and what the changes, if any, might actually mean.

I did not read it. I entered into a discussion on the impact of loosening or eliminating present restrictions.
After a few posts it was clear nobody was discussing the actual public notice.