Layover after a NYC run...

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Where are some good places to layover after going to NYC? I heard Hartford was great, but after being told by dispatch that they avg 4 runs a day, we sat 2 days. I would've left after 1, but to where? We ended up getting a dry run, then a run to AR, so it ended up well. Where would you layover in that area?

T-hawk
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Different srokes for different carriers; however, if delivering in the morning, we like to spend the remainder of the day either near JFK or near the Mall at the center of Staten Island. Lots of good eats near the Mall. Lots of freight for our carrier out of NYC. Also a great freight place is Newark, NJ. Secaucus is a good hang-around choice for a van. Trenton/Phil area can be a good freight area as well and there is a Petro nearby in Bordentown.

In CT, Bridgeport and Hartford are fairly good locations
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Since you are with Panther, either on the toll road, or go down to Jersey. Conn. does alot of of runs as well.
Some depends when you go on the board since you are a single driver.
Monday thru Thurs..........go to jersey
Friday and Sat........go to Hartford.
Why?........most runs out of Hartford are team runs. You can do a team run if loaded on Friday with a Monday delivery
You found that out with the AR run. Run averages are 700plus out of there
Hope that helps
or that would be my plan
Davekc
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davekc

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Fleet Owner
Almost forgot;

Is my check in the mail:7
just kidding

Davekc
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
We're a team, Dave :)

I'm not knocking CT, cause we did get two runs outta there. Just curious as to where others would sit. Dispatch offered Jamaica Queens <sn>, but I knew Hartford was better from what you said before. I'd do it again for the kind of run we got outta there. Besides... if worse comes to worse, we're in range for NYC from Branford, CT TA. BTW, they have no fee to park there and the restaurant was decent. On the bad side, only a large lot.
 

merkurfan

Expert Expediter
Just happened to me. Although I got empty moved from abany to NJ. Got in at 3 am, head hit the pillow, out like a light. I was in Linden NJ, hung out at the walmart, lot was fairly well lit and there where 4 or 5 other trucks as well as a cleaning cure that said they would be cleaning the lot all night. QC was beeping at 8am and I was off to a nucular powerplant in NY right on the lake. They even gave me first out when they offered the load. I ignored the 300 mile empty move offer when I delivered (Who wrote the empty move software? 300 miles?!?) and moved to the nearest town panther dispatches out of. I'm in a van, but it seems Linden worked out alright for me. Also fuel was the cheapest in NJ 2.19 for diesel, of course, full serve, guy even worked at getting all the bugs off my windshild (harder than I do) earned himself a tip.
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
need places to hang out go to truck stop guide here on eo list by state made this up when i first started at roberts express as there was no list of where to go for a shower and fuel and be with in 25 miles of express center's
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I've been runnin' up in NYC the past few months and stay in NJ... doin' tour bus bit right now... and have found a nice route outa NYC into Newark is that route one/nine, it goes right thru Jersey City. good diesel prices along that road, and there's some small truck stops there too. 2.25 to 2.30 for diesel, up in that area thats darn good. Milford, CT, that was a neat town I was up at not too long ago. might also try Paramus, NJ area. There's a big mall up near there, can't remember what road it was on though.
 

The Gibster

Expert Expediter
We remember a **NEW** truckstop advertised on a billboard around the NJ Rt 1/9 corridor in Newark. Got dispatched in a D unit before we could find it, but believe it's below the Penske service center.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
There's one on the left as you go away from Newark just over the bridge on 1/9, I think it's the Jersey City Truckstop... it's similar in size to a Petro, Loves, or large Pilot. I think it looks kinda rough, I'd stay on the Hudson side of the road on 1/9, there's some decent ones. There's hotels up there by the expressway too, that you can stay at if needed with truck parking. 2.15 a gallon up there in that area. $10 for a gallon of coolant though, so make sure you got 2-3 gal. onboard prior to entering that area... they get you on supplies up there. I've been up there 3 times last week, so the info is accurate. The truck stops I talk of are just down the street from the Lincoln Tunnel, between Holland and Lincoln.

I'll look at my maps tonite and update you on this at another time.

There's a Pilot thats nice up by Newburg area, goin' up towards Walkill, but thats a good ride from NYC area. 2 hours?
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Hi guys, ok, update on the NJ Fuel/TS's... Going North & South on 1/9, which is also called Tonnele Ave., there are fuel stops with low diesel prices (2.15-2.20 on average) on 1/9.

There's NO OVERNITE places though, so to sleep in the rig you have to stay at a hotel along there or the Jersey City Truckstop, which is south of the Pulaski Skyway and what I call NJ's Malfuction Junction.

There are designated "U-Turn" area's along 1/9, so watch signs carefully.

Above the Pulaski Skyway on 1/9 there is Putnam, Jersey Star, and Getty, all with easy access, all on the north side (Hudson River side).

By the way, the Pulaski Skyway does not have a toll. Basically, it connects Newark to Jersey City. Past Jersey City is the Holland Tunnel, which trucks are not allowed thru (usually), so you'll have to go up 1/9 to catch the Lincoln Tunnel or further up to the GW Bridge.

With a Semi though, I would only suggest the big Jersey City Truckstop, as the U-turn area's are tight and signs and poles are set close into the streets there in that area.
You can swing it, but Don't say I didn't warn you.

The Jersey Star and Putnam are the easiest I would say. Getty is somewhat tight even for a large straight truck. There's hotels at the far north end of 1/9 by Lincoln Tunnel area, and many trucks and busses park there.

Among other places to stop... if on 287 in NJ, there's a rest area at MM 32 area going North Bound.

I'm laughing as I read my notes from the latest trip I just did... I see I wrote down there's a BK & Shoney's right next to eachother, and I see I wrote down that they're on I-81 NB at exit 13, on the EB side, but I neglected to write down what state that's in. oops.
I also wrote down that it's "about" 30 min. from a real nice GC (Golden Corral), so it's probably up near Winchester, VA area - but don't bet on it. Smile!

There's a J by 77 & 81 that I stopped at recently, but found out it's a Petro that's been bought by Flying J... it's nothing to write home about... however... at exit 150 in Haw River, NC, there's a really nice J, with a nice layout too. There's a Wilco/Hess across the street too, with a Wendy's & 2 other eateries.
with a Speedco next door, I think thats what I saw, or maybe it was a Beacon?. Not sure now.
Anyways, that J is really nice in Haw River, NC.

If you find yourselves in DC area looking for a place to eat, it's kinda tough to get to. Bare in mind that statement comes from a driver who drives a 45 foot long tour bus. however it's a nice buffet, Great American Steak & Buffet Co., off of 495 by 177A going south/west bound. it's on Richmond Hwy, or Rt. 1. it's set back by a Dodge dealer but it's good food and plenty of it too.

NYC food places... Market Diner at 43rd & 11th Ave. is really good, with nothing more than 15-20 bucks for the most part. Most of the stuff on their menu is between 10 and 15. Lots of Limo's park there because it's right by the Theater District in NYC. You can try parking on 44th St. between 11th and 10th Ave. if you want - on the left side. Large portions, good prices, clean restrooms, and comfortable booths.

Moondance Diner is also a good little place, but it's much smaller. So if your "freight" takes up more than 40 seats it's tight. Moondance Diner is on 6th Ave. (Ave. of the Americas) just north of Canal St., they do alot of takeout and delivery. Moondance is open 24/7, so you can get anything you want anytime. I think Market Diner is also open 24/7.

The guy at Moondance just got another place over on 36th St., called Teresa's I think. it's between 7th & 8th Ave., it's not open 24/7 though.

Can you park a straight truck at Pier 17 where the bus parking is??? I'm not sure? if you can though it's a good place to chill out.

There's a McDonalds on Water St. I know you can park across the street from (Briefly-not more than 30 min. to an hour), it's got plenty of seating upstairs too, where you can sit and watch your rig from.

I hope this info helps ya'll.
Later, BigBusBob
 

The Gibster

Expert Expediter
BigBusBobaroonie wrote:

"Can you park a straight truck at Pier 17 where the bus parking is??? I'm not sure? if you can though it's a good place to chill out."

I think it's marked bus only Bob, but you gotta really look for the signs - they're on the pillars back against the bulkhead as I recall.
And the Pier 17 Mayor may be a big hassle. Luckily I only got cornered by this guy once.

BUT HERE'S A WARNING: No idling at the Pier 17 or 46th-47th ave areas. The cops are strict, and won't make contact and warn you. They sneak up, slide a citation under your wiper, and disappear. You never see 'em!


The Gibster
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Regarding Pier 17, I think it is marked "Bus Only", but not exactly sure. I'll let you all know next time I'm up there in the city, which will be within the next 30 days or so more than likely. I've been making trips up there frequently recently, with no end in site for atleast another 2 to 3 months. DC & NYC are regular runs for me, esp. DC. Regarding 46-47th Ave. in NYC, the general rule throughout the city is "No Idling" at all, generally though in most places in NYC your "OK" for about 5-10 min., however I wouldn't take a nap with the engine idling in NYC.

46-47 Ave. is no different, as an Ex-Expediter back into Tour Bus biz right now, (though I want to go back into Expediting soon-with a contract this time), 46th-47th Ave. area's are no different than the rest of the city, like everywhere else, it just depends on what cop is where. Some are more strict than others are. It generally takes me about 5-8 min. to unload my freight - oops, I mean people- (I think), and then I kill it.

At Pier 17 and most places near the "hearts" of the city, like Rockefeller, Times Square, Empire, and anywhere south of Greenwich Village (south of about 23rd/Canal St. area's) you really want to watch your idle time. Because even busses get hassled, and the fine is marked on some signs - it's states clearly on "Some" signs in NYC "No idling, fine up to $2,000". Now I've heard stories from drivers and rumors fly that the $2,000 fines are put into effect only after 5 min., some will say after repeat offenses, others will tell you to kill it after 3 minutes. Bottom Line, Don't Idle unless your in the drivers seat stuck in traffic. You gotta stop to check paperwork, pull over in a safe spot and turn on your 4-way flashers and kill the engine. Safe Spot meaning not in the way of traffic/pedestrians if possible - and NOT NEAR a Fire Hydrant. Try to stay 50 feet from a hydrant if possible, 'cause cops will hassle you on that too in NYC.

NYC is tough to drive in, I can honestly vouch for that. Why? Because I routinely drive throughout NYC and many other major cities with something thats 45 feet long. However NYC is simple once you realize the street pattern. DC is just a mess though, and that I'm sure everyone will agree with. DC and its darn traffic circles are enough to drive anybody bonkers. The problem with NYC and how it "Scares" drivers off, (in my opinion) is getting in and out of network of toll roads, bridges, and tunnels.

I use 2 maps made by StreetSmart, I think thats what it's called. They're laminated fold out color maps, that tell you which way each street goes, I have one for NYC & DC. They're about 8 bucks apiece, which is a small price to way once you realize how helpful the maps are. Where can you find them? I've gotten mine at Pier 17, at the gift shop on the corner closest to the main street, which doesn't open 'til about 10:30 AM, and closes around 8-9pm. They have a nice selection of maps there, and there's 4 kinds of NYC maps there at that gift shop closest to the street at Pier 17 at the bottom on street level, so look at each map carefully to see what works best for you. She also has some of the best prices around for NYC stuff, unless you want to bargain with the people on Canal Street, which is always fun.

*Note on Canal Street, the NYPD has been cracking down on Canal Street venders, esp. those operating out of a suitcase or off of a blanket, the ones that don't have a permit to sell. Beware of sunglass, watch, and video dealers on Canal Street.

You can get the map for DC at Union Stations gift shops, or any "real" gift shop. You can also get them in area book stores, but not in all book stores. Union Station closes at 9pm, so best to get into there by 8-830 pm if your on layover over there in that area.

I think that's enough for now here, I'll get the info on my maps and put it in this thread so everybody knows.
Big Bus'
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
OK, the maps you want to get for Big Cities... check out

Streetwisemaps.com

Vandam.com

The ones that I use for NYC are "NYC Manhatten", by StreetSmart, which is a division of Vandam (Vandam.com), and it's about $7.00

And "Streetwise Manhatten", by Streetwise (Streetwise.com), and it's about $7.00 as well. You can order them online at both websites.

I have a DC map I use by Streetwise as well. it's the "Artwise Washington DC, the museum map", and it's $8.00.
I'm know there's better ones though. It works for me to get me around in DC where I need to be.
In Pentagon City, VA, not too far from Arlington & Arlington National Cemetary, there's the Pentagon City Mall. In that mall there's a store that sells DC maps, one is a metro map, thats really nice - not cheap, but nice. I think I'm gonna get it next time I'm over there. The difference between the 2 NYC maps I use, one is easier to read, but only because it's less detailed. The Streetwise Manhatten Map is very Very detailed, but it's also sometimes difficult to read - once you master it though, it's nice.

These maps are all laminated, but don't get them wet, 'cause they will wrinkle up on you, and you'll have a topography map. I use a red sharpie marker on them, and they wipe off well with Soft Scrub, windex takes longer.

Upon looking at my maps, you said cops are strict around 46-47th Ave., thats really only if your in Mid-town area's, esp. on Diamond & Jewelry Way (47th Ave.), there it IS ILLEGAL to "stop and idle" unless "in" "traffic". The area of 8th Ave. to 5th Ave., from about 32nd St. to 60th St. are very busy, because thats where all the tourist like to go to.

From 34th to 59th Streets, forget it, best be on your best behavior and know where your corners are, because if you don't, somebody or something will let you know.

I would say between 42nd St. and 60th St. from Broadway to 5th Ave. is really some of the roughest.

Stay away from where the Lincoln Tunnel dumps out, 'cause there's ALWAYS traffic there, esp. on near 40th.

South of 23rd it gets tight, south of 14th it gets tighter... and only worse the further down you go towards Houston & Canal and on down.

The maps I mention are extremely helpful in NYC, 'cause unlike the DC maps, the NYC maps tell you which directions EVERY street on the 12 mile long island runs. Streetwisemaps.com is the site where you can get them, I found that listed right on my NYC map by the barcode.

Suggestion, if in Jersey City, there's a major Metro station across from the Stanely Theater, go there and take the trains or busses to NYC to sightsee if you feel you have a secure parking spot.

Perhaps this some of this should be ina seperate post, but this is good info to have for any drivers going into NYC.

Hope this helps somebody. BigBusBob
 
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