K-nine cab searches

[Streakn1]

Why would a driver have an issue with this if they have nothing to hide?

In our case its not about the above. In not trying to brag but make my point I'm going to share the following:

Our T-600 has real leather custom seats ($1000.00 each) in the cab. The only way to put the dog in is over the seats since we do not have a rear door sleeper. Friends of ours with FECC once had a dog scratch and gouge their driver's seat while the dog was climbing into their cab. Would you want to risk the same, especially with a thousand dollar seat?

Our two sleepers combined cost over $80,000.00 and are coming up on three years old. The interior is padded leather walls and cherry wood cabinetry. Niether to this day has been cut or scratched. The dogs are trained to alert one of four ways. They lay down, sit, place their nose on the spot until the handler acknowledges the hit, and finally they scratch or claw the suspect area. Therein lies a potentual problem and risk of damage. Furthermore, a young dog in training is more excitable and sometimes can get unrulely. Why would anyone want to take that risk if one has been able to live in their sleeper for a long period of time without damage?

Again, unless the dog clearly indicates a hit from the exterior of the truck, there is NO reason for the dog to be placed inside with the exception of a few locations like to UN, Whitehouse, etc. None of which we do not serve. Also, a dog's keen sense of smell has a much longer range than just the distance of sniffing from the running board of the cab door and having to be placed inside. Other locations may put the dog in just for something to do in breaking the dog's routine, or training, etc. Our truck is not a training truck.

Fotunately, our carrier services enough customers that we can afford to stay away from the few that do madatory dog searches inside the cab. It's such a small amount of our overall revenue to forfiet. Others in our team do the same.

 

[cheri1122]

I once read an article about the high costs the state of Ohio had to pay for vehicles damaged by K9 dogs in the course of searching vehicles. Of course the state was only liable if the damage was from a false 'hit', but the interesting part was that the official in charge preferred to train the dogs to scratch & claw to indicate a 'hit', rather than the passive method.
Just another indication of how our tax dollars can't seem to provide competent decisionmakers any more.

 

[Streakn1]

I once read an article about the high costs the state of Ohio had to pay for vehicles damaged by K9 dogs in the course of searching vehicles. Of course the state was only liable if the damage was from a false 'hit', but the interesting part was that the official in charge preferred to train the dogs to scratch & claw to indicate a 'hit', rather than the passive method.
Just another indication of how our tax dollars can't seem to provide competent decisionmakers any more.

Thankyou Cheri1122!!! You HIT the nail square on the head.

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Wouldn't it be interesting to hide a simple device in the cab/sleeper that emits a high pitch sound thats unaudible to the human ear, yet extremely annoying to the search dog. Such an item is easily found and can be used to deter unwanted dogs from accessing certain areas.

Then stand back and watch the handler fight with getting the dog that wants no part of your truck to go inside. I'm sure the handler would be clueless as to the cause!

Oh God, guess I'll have PETA on my case now for suggesting that! LOL

I can't believe you came up with that.
In-fact did you know the search teams do have such a device that can detect that sound of a high pitch dog whistle.
True they do
Also Remember this
The types of Combination dogs
1st is the Drug / Buddie attack dog of which Drugs is his spec
2ND is the Ordnance-Bomb Dog/Attack Dog of which Ordnance-Bombs is his spec.

Let us not forget the Search and Rescue / Buddie dogs as well

Note Attack Buddie is the 2ND part of the combination.

As Paul Harvey would say if he were still here
Now you have the Rest of the Story Good Day.

ya I'm just bored.

By the way 150lbs German Shepherds are great Dogs
I have a one. He is Registered Pure Breed with paper
The Name is (Logan)

 

[cheri1122]

I give up - what's a 'combination dog'?
And what about search & rescue dogs? And cadaver dogs? And my personal favorite, the St Bernard with the keg of brandy?

 

[iceroadtrucker]

I give up - what's a 'combination dog'?
And what about search & rescue dogs? And cadaver dogs? And my personal favorite, the St Bernard with the keg of brandy?

Search and Rescue and Attack buddy if K-9 can go hand and hand.

Ski Rescue teams use more than just the St Bernard
Forget about the KEG. you like Myths don't you. How ever the Brandy did give the person given the warming effect.
Personally Id rather have a Women warming me up.

Combo dogs
are as I stated

Drug and Attack buddies

Bomb and Attack buddies

You wont see a Combo dog that does both Drug and Bomb

You will see a

Search and Rescue and Attack Buddie though

Why,

Well you got the college Education right

The first is the Speciality or Major the Second is the Minor
Drug or Bomb

You wont see a Dog with two Majors.

Any way You asked I can see your bored too.

 

[Streakn1]

Sounds Like a Tire Billy!! I have had to give mine up a few Times But got it back when I Left.

Does a tire billy give off a distinct odor that only a tire billy sniffing dog can detect? Mine seems to be odorless.

 

[usafk9]

I have a little experience in this arena, so I'll chime in (look at my handle). I have worked for the Vice President, Secretary of State, Secretary of SHAPE, and NATO Commander.

If you've gone into a a military installation, the detection dog searching your vehicle/person/belongings was trained at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio. Air Force Base; Navy school...it's a money thing.

Since the early 1980's, all detection dogs (narcotics and explosives) have been trained as 'passive response' dogs. In other words, they are required to enter into a 'sit' position when showing a positive response. This was done around the same time as the abolition of the sentry dog program; and the passive response training was for the exact reasons you mentioned.....to reduce/eliminate destruction of personal property.

I have some pretty strong feelings regarding this issue, as I spent 4 years of my life defending an Air Force base during the cold war. Regarding the delivery of freight on a military base/post, you should consider the potential of a dog's claws on your pigskin when accepting the load. Absolutely no one is exempt from such a search when entering that piece of real estate.

IRT is also correct. Military Working Dogs (MWD's) that are aggressive in nature (shepards, dobermans, rottweilers) are initially trained as 'patrol' dogs (Although Belgian Malanois are now the predominant breed in the DoD. Their dog-buying trips to Europe are a sight to see). That means they are trained in the basics of personal protection (defending the person on the other end of the leash), crowd control, and human detection in an open area or building. After that phase is complete, they test the dog to ascertain if the dog can be "excited" into working for a food or ball reward in response to detection of an odor. They then 'graduate' into the different areas (explosives or narcotics), based on their desire to search. The more strong the desire, they go into explosives. Weaker, but acceptable, narcotics (who cares if a drug gets missed). Drug dogs are basically trained by people that continuously train dogs. Explosive dogs are trained in concert with their new handlers. Drug dogs must maintain 90% proficiency in detection, and explosives 95%. When I was active AF, their were 9 basic explosive odors, and 4 basic narcotics odors. I shiver to think of how many now.

As a piece of useless trivia, we used to have a horrible time with explosive dogs alerting on tape, as 3M manufactured the adhesive that came on the back of a 'brick' of C4/plastique. Dogs were responding to the tape instead of the explosive. Smells like celery, BTW.

 

[Streakn1]

I can't believe you came up with that.

By the way 150lbs German Shepherds are great Dogs
I have a one. He is Registered Pure Breed with paper
The Name is (Logan)

Chill Ice!!! I was just being silly. As an animal lover and owner of show horses and dogs throughout my life I would never do such a thing to an animal, even if I dislike it!

I have also owned registered shepards in the past and they are great dogs until they scratch and cut the leather seats in your truck while the handler is trying to lift a 125-150llbs dog into your truck. Or when the dog that has been taught to "scratch and claw" when it senses a hit ruins your cabinet door. Sadly, its not the dog's fault, its the trainer that has taught the dog a bad habit!

As Cheri1122 shared about the State of Ohio having to payout claims on damage to vehicles resulting from "false hits" and they do occur, wouldn't you think somebody would realize maybe the dog should be trained differently?

 

[cheri1122]

You must be having a momentary lapse of reaso, Streakn, cos the money that pays for the damage repair doesn't come out of the guilty party's pocket, it comes from the taxpayers. Of whom there is an endless supply, apparently.

 

[Streakn1]

You must be having a momentary lapse of reaso, Streakn, cos the money that pays for the damage repair doesn't come out of the guilty party's pocket, it comes from the taxpayers. Of whom there is an endless supply, apparently.

You're right Cheri1122. I was having a senior moument! LOL

That would explain why the official in charge doesn't care to spend "tax payers" money to retrain the dogs to more passive and less destructive habits. Easier to continue to use "tax payers" money to payout on claims. No skin off his/her teeth!

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Chill Ice!!! I was just being silly.

HEY ICE ME NAME CHILLEN ME GAME HG Just don't try to Defrost the Freezer as SUB Zero got his Midnight snacks in there. Don't ya Vespa.

When he gets outta Orientation in Chattanooga TN
He will be wanting HIS US EXPRESS POLAR TREATS (KLONDIKE BARS.)

 

[Streakn1]

Chill Ice!!! I was just being silly.

HEY ICE ME NAME CHILLEN ME GAME HG Just don't try to Defrost the Freezer as SUB Zero got his Midnight snacks in there. Don't ya Vespa.

When he gets outta Orientation in Chattanooga TN
He will be wanting HIS US EXPRESS POLAR TREATS (KLONDIKE BARS.)

What? Can somebody please explain to me in the king's english what Iceroadtrucker just said, cause I sure haven't got a clue!

 

[cheri1122]

Most of us don't either - it requires a secret decoder ring, and nobody but Moot knows where it is, and he aint telling.
But even when we don't have a clue what he's talking about, Ice gets bonus points for originality, eh?

 

[pelicn]

Our T-600 has real leather custom seats ($1000.00 each) in the cab. The only way to put the dog in is over the seats since we do not have a rear door sleeper. Friends of ours with FECC once had a dog scratch and gouge their driver's seat while the dog was climbing into their cab. Would you want to risk the same, especially with a thousand dollar seat?

Our two sleepers combined cost over $80,000.00 and are coming up on three years old. The interior is padded leather walls and cherry wood cabinetry. Niether to this day has been cut or scratched. The dogs are trained to alert one of four ways. They lay down, sit, place their nose on the spot until the handler acknowledges the hit, and finally they scratch or claw the suspect area. Therein lies a potentual problem and risk of damage. Furthermore, a young dog in training is more excitable and sometimes can get unrulely. Why would anyone want to take that risk if one has been able to live in their sleeper for a long period of time without damage?

Again, unless the dog clearly indicates a hit from the exterior of the truck, there is NO reason for the dog to be placed inside with the exception of a few locations like to UN, Whitehouse, etc. None of which we do not serve. Also, a dog's keen sense of smell has a much longer range than just the distance of sniffing from the running board of the cab door and having to be placed inside. Other locations may put the dog in just for something to do in breaking the dog's routine, or training, etc. Our truck is not a training truck.

Fotunately, our carrier services enough customers that we can afford to stay away from the few that do madatory dog searches inside the cab. It's such a small amount of our overall revenue to forfiet. Others in our team do the same.

Boy do I feel stupid! We've not had an inside search of the truck, so I didn't even consider that the dog would alert by scratching. We have leather seats and our cabinets are not scratched so I would definitely be upset if a search resulted in damages. Learn something new everyday!