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K-nine cab searches

Streakn1

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Thought it would be interesting to hear how many times during your expedite/driving carreer you have had a K-nine cab search?
This meaning the bomb/drug sniffing dog actually placed inside your cab and sleeper to conduct a search. If so where did this take place?

Were you ok with this proceedure or did you question the need for the animal being inside. What kind of reaction did you get from the handler? As a result of the search was there any damage done to the interior such as scratched seats, cabinets,etc?

Note: A properly trained bomb/drug dog is not required to be placed inside your vehicle to detect and alert on a positive hit. That being so, then what is the purpose in placing the dog inside?:rolleyes:

We have only had to deal with this situation a half dozen times or so thus far. We do NOT allow the dog inside, period!!! The search was then conducted from the exterior of our truck.
 
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nightcreacher

nightcreacher

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They never put dogs in a vehicle unless the dog shows an interest in a certain truck.These dogs can sniff drugs that are inside without being inside,but if there is an interest,then the dogs are sent in.I have a cousin that is with DEA and uses a drug dog.
 
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bubblehead

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Streakn1 said:
Thought it would be interesting to hear how many times during your expedite/driving carreer you have had a K-nine cab search?
This meaning the bomb/drug sniffing dog actually placed inside your cab and sleeper to conduct a search. If so where did this take place?

Were you ok with this proceedure or did you question the need for the animal being inside. What kind of reaction did you get from the handler? As a result of the search was there any damage done to the interior such as scratched seats, cabinets,etc?

Note: A properly trained bomb/drug dog is not required to be placed inside your vehicle to detect and alert on a positive hit. That being so, then what is the purpose in placing the dog inside?:rolleyes:

We do NOT allow the dog inside, period!!!
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Countless times at SouthCOM facilities and undisclosed govn't locations including one time with then President Bush. Dogs inside and out, heavily armed riding with us...if you don't like these trained dogs in your truck, then please refer the load to us....long deadhead ok as long as $pm is good. As to what a properly trained dog is supposed to do? I am not privy to the most current technologies for hiding drugs/bombs etc. so I have no opinion on that...perhaps you can contact NSA, FBI, ATF etc. and inform them. In the late 80s and early 90s, I trained certain gov't agencies in data access/manipulation and haven't kept up with new technologies after retiring from that position.
 
Streakn1

Streakn1

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That is correct Steve in most cases. As you are aware Shawna was in law enforcement for eleven years on a force that used k-nines. What I'm talking about is when you arrive at the gate and are told beforehand that a dog will be put inside the truck to do a "routine search" and then get asked if you have any pets that need to be taken out prior to their dog going in. At this point their dog has not been brought out yet Nor has he alerted. That was our experience at some locations in the past and happened to a team over here just recently.
 
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x06col

x06col

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US Army
Not sure why the dog would need to be IN the truck, but it seems SOMEONE feels they do need to be inside for some reason. I'd suggest tho, if you refuse a good run because of that reason, you don't need/want to run too bad. I'd prolly place that excuse in the same category as "tape residue" remaining on the truck for a refusal. It is truly ALL about choices you know.
 
P51bombay

P51bombay

Expert Expediter
Not to hijack the thread but I noticed something in customs today. Lately the Blaine, WA port has been more thorough than I've seen in the past - hoods up, cab and box open for pretty much anyone sent to the dock for ATS, etc. Today I noticed an officer opening the airbox on a truck - which begs the question, do they know what they are doing? Do they care if its properly secured afterwards? Was something broken (you know plastic) and if so what will be done about said broken part? I noticed later on while cleaning my windshield that one clip or whatever on mine is loose and there are obvious handling marks on the case. Makes me wonder if a hamfisted agent broke it and said nothing. I've also noticed they sometimes remove straps, tie downs, load security tools in the box and NEVER replace them or let the driver know this was down............if you don't check you may go down the road that way and spill/damage your load.
 
greg334

greg334

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Customs don't have to tell you a thing, they don't have to replace a strap, clean up the mess they make or even be nice and they can check every inch of your truck without your permission and rip it apart if they feel something is not right. This has been going on for years, long before DHS took them over.

As for the dog, I have had that happen twice at the same place and for a reason I can't post. It was simple, either make a lot of money and go through the security checks or not.

Everyone had a dog go into the cab and they were not looking for drugs or a bomb but something else that the dogs could not detect outside of the sleeper.

The officials explained the use of the dogs (beagles) and was clear what they were looking for, they said that we could deposit the items at the second guard shack but if we don't, we will be refused entrance to the place.

The first time I sat inline waiting, was number 7 out of 10. Number 5 was turned around because they found what they didn't want within the building we were going in. Now he and the carrier are not allowed on the property and are off the bidders list for this work.
 
P51bombay

P51bombay

Expert Expediter
greg334 said:
Customs don't have to tell you a thing, they don't have to replace a strap, clean up the mess they make or even be nice and they can check every inch of your truck without your permission and rip it apart if they feel something is not right. This has been going on for years, long before DHS took them over.

As for the dog, I have had that happen twice at the same place and for a reason I can't post. It was simple, either make a lot of money and go through the security checks or not.

Everyone had a dog go into the cab and they were not looking for drugs or a bomb but something else that the dogs could not detect outside of the sleeper.

The officials explained the use of the dogs (beagles) and was clear what they were looking for, they said that we could deposit the items at the second guard shack but if we don't, we will be refused entrance to the place.

The first time I sat inline waiting, was number 7 out of 10. Number 5 was turned around because they found what they didn't want within the building we were going in. Now he and the carrier are not allowed on the property and are off the bidders list for this work.
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So what's the thing that can't be detected from outside? Sounds like a food dog at the airport.
 
greg334

greg334

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Can't say, I had to sign a non-disclosure.

BUT I can say that many of us carry it in the truck for protection and you can buy it a lot of places - oh you can't take it to Canada.
 
60MPH

60MPH

Expert Expediter
Wonder why number 5 did not just turn it in, they would of given it back on the way out. It's standard protocol to have them lock it in there safe until you get ready to leave. Atleast at the places I have been before. I have never had a problem with giving to up and getting it back, and you defiantly don't need one while you are in there, you are in one of the safest places you can be in:cool:
 
Streakn1

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Wouldn't it be interesting to hide a simple device in the cab/sleeper that emits a high pitch sound thats unaudible to the human ear, yet extremely annoying to the search dog. Such an item is easily found and can be used to deter unwanted dogs from accessing certain areas.

Then stand back and watch the handler fight with getting the dog that wants no part of your truck to go inside. I'm sure the handler would be clueless as to the cause! :confused:

Oh God, guess I'll have PETA on my case now for suggesting that! LOL
 
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Turtle

Turtle

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The only time I've had a dog search inside the van was when I delivered to the UN Building. Delivered there twice, dogs in the van both times.
 
Dynamite 1

Dynamite 1

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over almost 9 yrs. i can think of only 3 times. no problems the first two but the last time, the dog tipped over a can of v8 on the drivers side floor and made a mess around the seat base. then left the sleeper a little ruffeled. nice guys though,. but i did go in and tell them what had happened just so i knew i had told them. makes me feel better, still nice guys. some are not happy but most bp agents we have ran across are very polite and just doing a job. alot of the inspections are routine. some of the dog insp. are to. most are for a reason but im pretty sure there are standards or minimums.
 
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