Gentlemen,I'm pretty upset by the goings on these days.I guess it is futile to argue a point that is so clearly obvious to 60% of the Amrican citizens,of all pursuations,but not to all.
A couple of simple points that are not new to my rantings,a few points defended,if you don't mind.
Point 1)If history tells us anything, paticularly the history of the past 50 years,it's that America is to be good at so many things,and so poor at just a few things.
One of the things that we seem poor at is trying,for the right reasons,to bring our way of life,our unique and wonderful brand of social and political tolrorance,to other parts of the world,sometimes without out being asked to do so.It seems evident that we never seem to learn our lesson,from "The Dominoe Effect",to the current situation we find ouselves in.
I agree. I also think that first we should not go over to any country and export our way of life for any reason and second we need to stop the importation of other cultures under the guise of diversity and need.
Point2)Another aspect of this same theme is when those trying to export our way of life,again for the right reasons,just don't get it, and the rest of the world does get it.My point here is phrase's like"stay the course",or "cut and run",in the face of clear and overwhleming odds against success,show a lack of intellegence,which gives some the idea we are a leaserles nation.It is alos known as being isolated,not unlike a mushroom,and feeding off the same food sourece,in this case being provideed by politicians and not military men.For those military men who don't speak in lock step,they are dismissed ,or asked to retire.
I disagree; the world hasn’t gotten anything since we stepped in the last time and saved their sorry asses The point is that we went into an area that the hatred was truly caused by; 1- the English, 2 – the French and 3 – Carter and not directly caused by America (except Carter). The fact is that in that part of the world, there is more of a hatred of us because we are America. And as I said, many of these religiious leaders want to control their people as has been done for 1400 years - with control comes power and wealth. They hate America not because of the crusades, not becuase we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan but because we represent the biggest threat to their control - freedom. If you think I am off base, read what the taliban was all about and what the most progressive country is in the gulf - see the differences.
Point 3)For those who actually believe the rhetoric that "fighting the enemy over there is better then fighting them here",well,I just pity them,and they will be part of the minority who choose to buy in 100% to the mushroom syndrome of this time.For those individuals,I truly feel sorry,as they have been duped into a kind of brain washing that we have not seen in many years.
I guess you pity me and many of the other people who know what the people are like, the culture is like and what we were really trying to do. I would rather destroy a country over there than to have one person die here on our shores. I point to the fact that in my reply to your point two, the world hasn’t gotten it and in truth, the major ‘want to be’ powers, France, Germany and Russia have been actually helping the terrorist by their failure to help eliminate the terrorist and go against us for profit. I know, as you may know that there will be another terrorist strike and it is not because of the administration or hatred for the president but rather the hatred of freedom and people’s rights that we have here.
Point 4)Regarding hate,and my terminolgy for certain politicians and persons subjecting our nation to the daily dose of death and destruction on our media(I know,the liberal press,come on) of not only our brave military men and women,but countless innocent children,civilians,who are being murdered everyday as a result of our actually creating a civil war that did not exist before,I'm sorry if I offended you.I just have no kind words for murdering,lieing men who are trying to sell a policy that is so failed as to be an embarresmnet to the entire free world.
If he represents you ,and your feeling,and aspirations,and if you really think we are safer for all this death and destruction,against a country that had nothing to do with 911,then so be it.I feel your pain,as he was your man,and you must defend him so you feel good about yourself,and your choice to have voted for him.It's your cross to bear,not mine,so please allow me the right to speak as I wish,just as you do about Kerry,and Clinton and your arch enemies.
First thing is that there are no innocent people over there. Many know what is going on over there and accept it, many more are willing to fight based on what they are told what is the right thing to do by their respective religious leaders and the civil war has been going on for about 1100 years which we have had nothing to do with than as we have nothing to do with now. The fact is that any families will sacrifice themselves and even their kids for the religious cause as told by thier religious leaders. The funny thing is that we took out a regime that was brutal and kept a multireligious nation in check just like Yugoslavia. Once it looked like that power was going to be removed, people from different factions started to take sides and form alliances. Remember that these people are opportunist, not diplomats and lived under many different forms of government for hundreds of years.
As for Yugoslavia or former Yugoslavia, Clinton really did a lot worst when it comes to a true killer of innocent people. He bombed a country that actually wanted us to help them, Serbia. He killed a lot of people for what? Because of the UN and what the Serbian leaders did? Why didn’t we insist on Europe handling the problem? Why are we even still funding NATO when there is no longer a need? You know that we still have troops in that area, that people are still starving and that we failed people who liked the US – all caused by Clinton.
As for the media, I would say they are single minded bunch of idiots and truly American hating people. CNN for one can not justifying airing terrorist propaganda but when I posted Glenn Beck’s Iraq film it was criticized (not only on EO but every site I posted it on). I feel that the media in the world make it look like anything they air or write as true reporting that needs to be held above everything else but if someone has a differing opinion or produces something that goes against what they feel is right, they call it propaganda. This is just like Germany in the late 30’s.
Now one last thing, even if you don’t support the administration or the war, you are still accountable for the work that is going on because you are an American. Being American means that you can not choose what you want to support, if the country is at war, you bear a share of that cross as much as I do.
Point5)Nothing will really change Tuesday,even if the Senate and the House change.W holds the veto pen,and I'm sure he will use it.I would hope that some common sence comes into play,it seem eons sonce that has been part of the discussion in Wahington.But all this talk of San Francisco,and our immoral life style seems a little despareate,I mean really folks,it's Conde Nests first choice as a vacation spot.It's the number 1 tourist spot in the world for Gods sake.Nancy has earnd her stripes just like evry other politician,including the Republican sex offenders,and the Jack Abrimhoff gang.
So lets lighten up a little.No more bad words from me about W,OK Broom?I really don't use Hate W,I don't know him.But I get caught up,as I really did see this thing coming,and really did write about it on this forum 8 months ago,and really was told I was out of line with the mainstram of America.
Ok, I like SF and many of the people there. I liked going there more than I likes going to NY or Chicago. I don’t have much to say with the Gays who have made it a point to tell me that I have to accept them, I don’t really care what people do at this moment but that may change tomorrow.
If you want to talk about sex scandals, ok. If you want to talk about the connections to Abramoff, ok, they also include some dems. If you want to talk about corruption, that includes Reid and some of what Pelosi has done too. None of this is exclusively one party or another – but everywhere. The problem I see is that the president can veto things but truly he won’t. He won’t stop the investigations and he won’t do much of anything for that matter if the dems get a majority. The republicans have a big problem that the des have had for a long time, a clear division within the party. The dems are clearly controlled by a fringe group that border on the insane and as I see more fascist than the NAZIs. The republicans lost control of the party and are being more controlled by the religious fringe on the far right and lost a lot of moderates and true conservatives.
I am hoping that the dems do get in office on one hand because the republicans need to get spanked hard in order to get it together for 08 but on the other hand I know that we will have more rhetoric of hate (something I know you never said but repeating talking points it can be mistaken as supporting hate), more rhetoric of got to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and more rhetoric of ‘crimes’ and lies. For the next two years a lot of us will become depressed and pay more taxes.
ut his foot in his mouth,listened to his party(un like Bush)and did the right thing(unlike Bush).