Joke Behar and The View
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RLENT
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Like your conclusion in the other thread, this one is equally inaccurate - I defy you to cite a law where prayer alone is specifically prohibited within any distance from an abortion clinic ....
There are laws however that are intended to provide safeguards for those who wish to access places that provide abortions by establishing buffer zones - from the looney tunes who feel the compulsion that they must insert themselves - often forcefully, or in an intimidating manner - into the personal decisions of others, with regard to medical matters.
Legal protection of access to abortion
If the purpose were only to pray to God, that such folks would see the error of their ways, that could just as easily be done at the individuals house of worship .... or at home in a closet .....
The real true purpose however is something far, far different however - no matter how much the self-righteous claim to the contrary - it is to obstruct, intimidate, threaten, and harass the people going to such places ....
Ya really got to love the irony ...... when the oh-so-pious self-righteous become, themselves, charlatans and liars .....
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witness23
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For O'reilly to be such a big man in stature it is really sad to see what a "small" man he really is. He apologizes on the View then turns around on Beck's show, and his own program to backpeddle and explain himself. Why apologize in the first place? Own it, you coward. And to top it off, he uses the Japanese during WWII as a comparison? If you are unable to see the difference between the Empire of Japan attacking MILITARY facilities and a sect of radical Muslims attacking civilians, then I feel sorry for you Mr. O'reilly.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
Yet you fail to understand that preventing and prohibiting the mosque to be built (and it isn't "on" or even "at" Ground Zero ..... just near it) is exactly the very thing that will allow the terrorists to claim victory ....
Their (the terrorists) victory will come not from what they themselves are able to do - or what any peaceful, law-abiding Muslim might do in practicing their faith - their victory will be accomplished by what they are able to get us to do - not to them, but to ourselves.
To the degree that they are able to get us to change how we act - particularly with respect to upholding the rights and freedoms that we have always claimed are the very thing that define who we are, and are at the core of our essence, as a people ...... well, to that degree they will have achieved success .....
It is an utterly diabolical plan ... in essence, being forced to cut your throat (in a figurative sense) ..... by causing us to become the antithesis of the ideals we truly believe in, and hold most dear .....
Your attitudes and actions (as well as every other citizen) - and not any armed conflict in some foreign land - will define whether they have won.
Personally, I'd prefer to deny them any victory instead.
Your understanding of what actually constitutes freedom is somewhat lacking .....
The Constitution doesn't lay out in excruciating detail every little thing that an individual citizen may, or may not, do as a consequence of being free - what it does do, is establish controls and limits on what government may do, in terms of interfering with that freedom.
In otherwords, freedom isn't defined as some finite (but seemingly endless) list of what a citizen may do, feel, or think - and anyone who understands the true nature of freedom will immediately understand why: at the point where one attempts to define it (freedom) in such a manner, it immediately becomes something less than freedom ......
The Founding Fathers understood this very clearly - which is why they created and fashioned the Constitution in the manner that they did: as a document which proscribed (limited) the powers of government to very great degree, in terms of interfering with the freedom of it's citizens .... (my oh my ..... how far have we fallen .....)
Seems that "the lemming response" is becoming rather commonplace around here lately ......
In terms of evaluating my own conduct and any personal course of action, I could give a flip what anyone else says or does .... just ain't relevant.
In the end, I have to answer to my own conscience .... and not to the conscience of some retard talking head on the boob tube ...... whether that head be O'Reilly's or Joy Behar's .....
Wow a retard talking head?? and what does that make you??
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Speaking of talking heads.
If I were O'reilly I would tell this man not to defend me one iota. How 'bout this Killmeade, all extremists are terrorist and all terrorists are extremists? But hey, they are number one in ratings.
Kilmeade defends O'Reilly's View appearance: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim"
Kilmeade defends O'Reilly's View *appearance: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim" | Media Matters for America
If I were O'reilly I would tell this man not to defend me one iota. How 'bout this Killmeade, all extremists are terrorist and all terrorists are extremists? But hey, they are number one in ratings.
Kilmeade defends O'Reilly's View appearance: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim"
Kilmeade defends O'Reilly's View *appearance: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim" | Media Matters for America
The leftist kooks Behar and Ventura can't even admit that radical Muslims committed the WTC attack. Joy Behar Hosts Truther Jesse Ventura to Decry 'Spineless Puke' Bill O'Reilly's 9/11 'Hate Speech' | NewsBusters.org
greg334
Veteran Expediter
WOW!
Exactly my point.
Growing up in the case of the border starts with strengthening our political system first and then closing the border. It is saying to the world that we are not going to tolerate the accommodation of people who support slave labor, hjuman traficking and other things that first have a negative effect on our country then others.
By being a childish country, we accommodate the whims of others who see most of the laws as unjust to the world and discount the citizen and their needs. We have become a country of special interests, where political candidates worry about the black vote, the Latino vote and other minorities which they in turn compromise the country through a need to stay in power by any means.
We have stepped back in our evolution because we have become a "post racial" country where Post Racial is now defined based on the whims of people in power, not reality. We now look at people more by the color of their skin, their religious affiliation and their culture than anything else - a big step backwards.
Yes that is part of being an enlighten society to come up with and maintain a standard that ALL who come into the society will have to follow to ensure that the immigrant has an equal chance in society to prosper through all sorts of freedoms - NOT by dumping them into an entitlement program which leaves them in a position that they may not be able to get out of.
Right now we make special accommodations to help those maintain their culture while downplaying our own. Many who are 'fearful' of a Muslim takeover miss the fact that we have not really made many accommodations for them as we have for the Latinos. Many forget what we have done in the past to rectify problems that were not our own and how we allow special accommodations to cause real issues within our society, like our faltering education system.
Exactly ... the real issue for many of us who actually see what the problem is, really and truly is that we need just to remain the same regardless who we are talking about. Culture accomidations are what negativity affect us, it sets us up for problems in the long run and many an immigrant expects to be treated as something special through the different programs we have are not going to allow us to become what some in government want or envision us to be.
This is an important point, maybe where I'm standing firm on the ignorant part, we are winning for those who see us as an enemy. We are allowing our country to become a country like Lebanon where the few control the many and convince them who is right or wrong.
Maybe this is what I mean about growing up, stop enabling those who hate us by bickering about non-issues like the Mosque and focus on real issues.
Exactly my point.
Growing up in the case of the border starts with strengthening our political system first and then closing the border. It is saying to the world that we are not going to tolerate the accommodation of people who support slave labor, hjuman traficking and other things that first have a negative effect on our country then others.
By being a childish country, we accommodate the whims of others who see most of the laws as unjust to the world and discount the citizen and their needs. We have become a country of special interests, where political candidates worry about the black vote, the Latino vote and other minorities which they in turn compromise the country through a need to stay in power by any means.
We have stepped back in our evolution because we have become a "post racial" country where Post Racial is now defined based on the whims of people in power, not reality. We now look at people more by the color of their skin, their religious affiliation and their culture than anything else - a big step backwards.
Yes that is part of being an enlighten society to come up with and maintain a standard that ALL who come into the society will have to follow to ensure that the immigrant has an equal chance in society to prosper through all sorts of freedoms - NOT by dumping them into an entitlement program which leaves them in a position that they may not be able to get out of.
Right now we make special accommodations to help those maintain their culture while downplaying our own. Many who are 'fearful' of a Muslim takeover miss the fact that we have not really made many accommodations for them as we have for the Latinos. Many forget what we have done in the past to rectify problems that were not our own and how we allow special accommodations to cause real issues within our society, like our faltering education system.
Exactly ... the real issue for many of us who actually see what the problem is, really and truly is that we need just to remain the same regardless who we are talking about. Culture accomidations are what negativity affect us, it sets us up for problems in the long run and many an immigrant expects to be treated as something special through the different programs we have are not going to allow us to become what some in government want or envision us to be.
RLENT said:
This is an important point, maybe where I'm standing firm on the ignorant part, we are winning for those who see us as an enemy. We are allowing our country to become a country like Lebanon where the few control the many and convince them who is right or wrong.
Maybe this is what I mean about growing up, stop enabling those who hate us by bickering about non-issues like the Mosque and focus on real issues.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Who are we enabling that hate us?
No, I really didn't say that at all. I know of no law on the books anywhere that prohibits people from praying within 5 feet of an abortion clinic, or even inside one, for that matter. Any right, be it the right to pray anywhere you want, or the right of free speech, ends as soon as that right infringes upon the rights of others. People have freedom of speech, for example, right up to the point where they use it to intimidate someone else. If someone is praying right in front of the door of an abortion clinic, that's not a problem, unless or until their praying prevents in any way someone from entering the facility.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
And you must have that person or persons who fealt threatened, intimidated, denied access to the "abortion clinic" come forward and make a formal complaint.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Originally Posted by RLENT
Okay, I gotchya. You are saying do not give them (the terrorists) the satisfaction of watching Americans bicker about non-issues such as the Community Center. But do you really feel that that has been their plan all along? The "bickering" you speak of, in my opinion has been the doing of the American people alone, I think you are giving the "terrorists" to much credit.
Okay, I gotchya. You are saying do not give them (the terrorists) the satisfaction of watching Americans bicker about non-issues such as the Community Center. But do you really feel that that has been their plan all along? The "bickering" you speak of, in my opinion has been the doing of the American people alone, I think you are giving the "terrorists" to much credit.
The stated goal of terrorism is to incite terror and chaos. It always has been, whether it's classical terrorism, guerrilla warfare, or the Mosquito Method (where they're just a constant irritation to the point where we overreact). Bickering amongst ourselves, rather than having a united front, achieves the goal of terrorism.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
I agree to a certain extent. I do not think the terrorists had in mind....10 years later, that we would be arguing about a community center or characterizing all Muslims as terrorists. I think it has been more politicized than anything else, by unethical politicians, pundits and cable news. Let's face it, the subject gets ratings and a lot Americans love a train wreck.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
I agree..
and want to add, just for more food for thought, how many of the countries where these terrorists come from allow the kind of open debate that they're witnessing here in our good old USA? This so-called united front that some call for could be misconstrued as conformity to the government or whatever authority they might be pointing to? It's the American way to debate and argue and allow ALL points of view to be presented. Some say that the bickering gives them joy and yet wouldn't this be one of the things they hate most about us.....exercising our FREEDOMS??
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Bickering is not the right word, I should have used something stronger.
The word may be one of those which can't be defined, so it is this type of discussion that create more hatred between the citizens is the point. Without the issue being brought up by as hate group first, it would be still a non-issue but because that group wrote about it a few weeks after it was announced, it became the issue and look at some of the comments and actions it has spurred - even here.
The word may be one of those which can't be defined, so it is this type of discussion that create more hatred between the citizens is the point. Without the issue being brought up by as hate group first, it would be still a non-issue but because that group wrote about it a few weeks after it was announced, it became the issue and look at some of the comments and actions it has spurred - even here.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Assuming that you might have been replying to me (but recognizing it may have been Turtle rather than myself)
Seriously - how many people are inclined, when feeling the need to beseech the Almighty, to say to themselves:
"Well, I must I head over to the local abortion clinic ..... so I can talk to God ..... since that is the only place I can pray ... "
or say:
"I feel like praying ...... I think I'll head over to Planned Parenthood ......."
These oh-so-prayerful folks are attempting to insert themselves into someone else's private life, ostensibly by intimidation (or, in some cases, worse) - by intruding on what, under current law and court findings, are medical matters which ought to be a private matter between an individual and their physician .....
I would allow that decisions in such a matter are certainly a matter of conscience, and could, depending on the individual involved, have a spiritual or religious aspect to them .....
In that case however, it is still a private matter - something that the individual should be taking up with their minister, priest, pastor, rabbi, or imam .... as opposed to being accosted by some loon who views themself as a kind of self-appointed "spiritual warrior" .... (..... because we all know where that ultimately goes, don't we ?)
Their primary purpose in being there is not to pray .... its something else entirely ....
To maintain otherwise, is to tell a lie .....
(the above quoted text being the sound that is heard when there is no actual valid, logical refutation to an argument available to an individual ..... a sure sign that the frenzy of desperation has set in .....)
Actually, in this matter (and a few others) you are, in fact, utterly clueless ....
No - they aren't "just" attempting to pray ....
Seriously - how many people are inclined, when feeling the need to beseech the Almighty, to say to themselves:
"Well, I must I head over to the local abortion clinic ..... so I can talk to God ..... since that is the only place I can pray ... "
or say:
"I feel like praying ...... I think I'll head over to Planned Parenthood ......."
These oh-so-prayerful folks are attempting to insert themselves into someone else's private life, ostensibly by intimidation (or, in some cases, worse) - by intruding on what, under current law and court findings, are medical matters which ought to be a private matter between an individual and their physician .....
I would allow that decisions in such a matter are certainly a matter of conscience, and could, depending on the individual involved, have a spiritual or religious aspect to them .....
In that case however, it is still a private matter - something that the individual should be taking up with their minister, priest, pastor, rabbi, or imam .... as opposed to being accosted by some loon who views themself as a kind of self-appointed "spiritual warrior" .... (..... because we all know where that ultimately goes, don't we ?)
Their primary purpose in being there is not to pray .... its something else entirely ....
To maintain otherwise, is to tell a lie .....
To which two ways are you referring to exactly ?
Hmmm .... sounds like you are getting a little testy .... I must have called it correctly ....
ROTHLMAO ..... yup .... got ya right where ya live .....
(the above quoted text being the sound that is heard when there is no actual valid, logical refutation to an argument available to an individual ..... a sure sign that the frenzy of desperation has set in .....
)Actually, in this matter (and a few others) you are, in fact, utterly clueless ....
I don't think he was replying to me, since if he was, he called me a name in a condescending manner, and he's dead set against any unkosher name calling around here. So he must be talking to someone actually nicknamed Sport. Otherwise, it's just being hypocritical and we all know Leo would never do such a thing. So, I'm going with someone here on EO who is unknown to me with the nickname of Sport. That's another reason why I think people should be addressed as whatever their screen name is, rather than a real life name or nickname, so everyone will know who the person is talking to. Otherwise, as here, you could have someone unfairly labeled as a hypocritical low-life scum-sucking name caller, when really all their doing is using an affectionate nickname for someone.