Its official as USA and Mexico sign pact to screw American truckers

mcavoy33

Seasoned Expediter
This bill does nothing than take revenue away from us and simple hands it to a foreigner and you say this is not an issue.
In addition think of the dock workers in these border towns that will not be needed.
Think of the lost tax revenue these towns will miss which in turn will lead to the trickle down effect and less municipal employees etc etc.

You are right, it does nothing for the american worker but neither does the $25 inverter in your van/ truck that lets you power your laptop / fridge or chinese made rice steamer.

If someone can do something for pennies, do you want to pay 20 times as much for it to be american made?

Lets get to those dock workers you are worried about. I've only ever been to one dock in Karedo but 100% of the workers I seen were of Mexican decent and were probably illegals at one point but some how gained status over the past 30-40 years.

But at least they are paying taxes. A biggrr problem imo is American small business owners hiring illegals for cash under the table, thereby skipping the tax system.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
You are right, it does nothing for the american worker but neither does the $25 inverter in your van/ truck that lets you power your laptop / fridge or chinese made rice steamer.

If someone can do something for pennies, do you want to pay 20 times as much for it to be american made?

Lets get to those dock workers you are worried about. I've only ever been to one dock in Karedo but 100% of the workers I seen were of Mexican decent and were probably illegals at one point but some how gained status over the past 30-40 years.

But at least they are paying taxes. A biggrr problem imo is American small business owners hiring illegals for cash under the table, thereby skipping the tax system.

You do not understand I have no issues with foreign made items at all nor do I have a issue with foreign drivers or workers. I have a issue with killing a major part of the us trucking economy.

Do you own a truck or do you drive someones truck ?
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
You are right, it does nothing for the american worker but neither does the $25 inverter in your van/ truck that lets you power your laptop / fridge or chinese made rice steamer.

If someone can do something for pennies, do you want to pay 20 times as much for it to be american made?

Lets get to those dock workers you are worried about. I've only ever been to one dock in Karedo but 100% of the workers I seen were of Mexican decent and were probably illegals at one point but some how gained status over the past 30-40 years.

But at least they are paying taxes. A biggrr problem imo is American small business owners hiring illegals for cash under the table, thereby skipping the tax system.

They are not illegals, Mexicans can legally work in the USA during the daytime and then return bcak home to Mexico at night. I lived in Eagle Pass for 2 years.
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I have only been to Laredo 10 Times in 5 years. I have never gotten a load out of Laredo, not ever. This is not really going to affect my business at all. In fact, I prefer not to ever get dispatched down to laredo again.

Also, what you guys are failing to understand is that larger companies like "swift" have already built truck terminals in Mexico. The trucks that are going to come out of Mexico into the US will be brand new company owned and operated trucks with two to three drivers in them. The trucks will never stop. MS Carriers was talking about this back in 2002 when I was a driver with them. They can get three guys to run a truck for 20-25 cents a a mile a piece, because that is a lot of money in Mexico.

You also have to understand that Mexico is a close contact society, they do not require the same amount of personal space that American's do. They have no problem living together in closed corridors, thus they make perfect team drivers. This is just going to make it cheaper for businesses to move shop down to laredo and have a good connection between their plants and suppliers in the US and Mexico.

All I can say is that I agree with ID on this one. You all better brace yourselves!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
All I can say is hope you all have other back up plans or investments just in case.

AND?

I have invested in foreign companies while they are making a profit, when they don't, I will shift my investments back to US companies.

You do not understand I have no issues with foreign made items at all nor do I have a issue with foreign drivers or workers. I have a issue with killing a major part of the us trucking economy.

Do you own a truck or do you drive someones truck ?

Actually I do own and operate my truck and don't see the concern because as far as I'm concern we as independent operators already have the issue with bigger companies cutting the rates and killing off much of what we could be doing.

I'll give you a great example, FedEx is in the position that they can take a large chunk of this work away with them. They can do it by lowering the rates and boasting their brand which will drive things down further. If look at their whole operation, they have pretty much stuck it to the USPS, the small regional common carrier and a number of other parts of the industry but no one seems to be concerned about how they operate or how a FedEx CC team can move something for say $2.00 a mile while the competitors are asking $2.50 a mile.

In this industry, what's killing us are the companies that shuffle through drivers and make them obligated to operate the way the company wants them to.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
hmmm no cartels in the US eh? no violence in NYC/Detroit/Chicago...it ain't all that rosey here either.....oh and no crooked cops here either


Juarez alone in 2010 had over 8000 known murders that is not including assaults, rapes, beatings, robberies, or speeding tickets. Juarez is the most dangerous city on the planet. Nuevo Laredo is getting bad again also. Yes we have troubles in the USA but not nearly like Mexico has. And corrupt Police very few here mexican police make $200 per month salary so corruption is massive many officers carry 2 hand held radios 1 is for the police and the other is for the cartel. These are facts and trust me many of you will not be ready for the many things this can do to hurt YOUR FINANCES. So my advise is just read more articles and seriously think of what could happen and think of how many loads you haul that will end up in mexico or started in mexico its many loads.

Now one thing this will help is Mexico to Canada Loads why because Canada isn't dumb they don't want the mexican trucks in canada at all . So this will help with bonded warehousing for canada loads.

Now large outfits such as Panther, express 1, load 1, FED EX, CR England, JB Hunt, Swift, and many other large companies will benefit from this new law why because they can work direct with mexican carriers to help them logistic the loads into the usa easily.

JBHUNT has been in Mexico for ages now so has schneider.

Now the small carriers will suffer the worst.

ok time to go mow the yard and smoke a nice cigar. Taking my summer vacation and relaxing and catching up on my sleep now.

The one who will love the Mexican trucks in the usa are the mechanics and tire shops they will make a fortune on roadside calls LOL.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The lines are drawn and we could banter to and fro....

Time will tell what the future holds for us little CV'ers...by then..I'll be long gone and it is someone elses problem..
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I can't because I am more concern with the losses incurred by the fact that Canadian trucks deliver here and take back stuff directly to Canada (no offense Canada). It HAS more of an impact than any Mexican trucks will ever have and I think as I watched the amount of freight moving on the bridge in Detroit, I can not imagine that there is no greater loss that has happened as this.

There will be no comparing work lost because of Canada with Mexico. Us drivers have no problem safely taking loads into Canada. Mexico will be a completely different story, bad roads, unsafe conditions etc. Heck even our government is warning against travel to Mexico.. The big majority of those crossing the border will be Mexican. With the northern border it is much more of an equal trade off than the southern border ever will be.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Opponents say it will cause employers to move even more jobs to Mexico. Ray LaHood says it won't.
The answer lies in what employers have done in the past, which says Mr LaHood is full of it.
It will further aggravate unemployment, [without employment, what have we got?] and the big differences between Canada and Mexico [language and approach to safety] make it a very different proposition than crossing the northern border. Comparing the two is apples to oranges.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
But either way the fact is that Canada is a foreign country **GASP** and the work that a US drivers can do is being done by the Canadian drivers which makes it an equal issue and still jobs hang in the balance.

Safety is another issue, even if Mexico becomes as safe as Canada, it is still a foreign country and those who drive here are doing the same thing regardless where they come from.

Language is another issue, have many of you mastered the French Canadian language or may be not many of you ran into people who refuse to talk to you in English? Its still a foreign country.

No matter what any one says, it isn't as cut and dry as it looks. The companies who will hurt are not going to be ours but rather those big box companies with the cookie cutter drivers who may be a bigger problem.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
But either way the fact is that Canada is a foreign country **GASP** and the work that a US drivers can do is being done by the Canadian drivers which makes it an equal issue and still jobs hang in the balance.

Uh no, not equal at all. As long as you get the right papers traveling to Canada is safe as far as personal harm or good roads go. As I said before Canada is a much more equal trade as far as their drivers coming here and ours going there.

Safety is another issue, even if Mexico becomes as safe as Canada, it is still a foreign country and those who drive here are doing the same thing regardless where they come from.

If, if, if, if. The fact is it is not as safe as the US or Canada will will not be for many years to come. Kind of like saying if pigs could fly.
Language is another issue, have many of you mastered the French Canadian language or may be not many of you ran into people who refuse to talk to you in English? Its still a foreign country.

What does that have to di with lost jobs?

No matter what any one says, it isn't as cut and dry as it looks. The companies who will hurt are not going to be ours but rather those big box companies with the cookie cutter drivers who may be a bigger problem.

It makes no difference if it is a bigger or smaller problem. A job is a job. Your saying it's ok because it is not as many jobs affected? If you do not think it will be a problem you obviously have not made much money taking things to and from our southern border. Maybe what your really saying is it will not affect you very much.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Uh no, not equal at all. As long as you get the right papers traveling to Canada is safe as far as personal harm or good roads go. As I said before Canada is a much more equal trade as far as their drivers coming here and ours going there.

Yep equal, a foreign country is still a foreign country. No matter, do you take loads to Mexico or expect the loads to travel on their own?

I take loads to Canada and if I lived in say Laredo, I would most likely do the same thing. I know a few who do this down there, Yuma and in Eagle Pass and they tell me it isn't as bad as many make it out as - and they ain't a dark skinned short guys either.

The same thing applies to the situation with Canada, they can take loads from here back there. So what's the difference, the work is being taken away regardless, right?

If, if, if, if. The fact is it is not as safe as the US or Canada will will not be for many years to come. Kind of like saying if pigs could fly.

Do you think there isn't crime in Canada?

I mean hijacking occurs there, and so does shootings. I see people sitting in their trucks in places near the bridge in Detroit that I'm nervous going through but they seem to survive. I warned a couple in the past, one was bright enough to claim there isn't crime in Detroit because he didn't see it.

What does that have to di with lost jobs?

I don't know, ask Cheri, she brought up language not me. To me learning a language is something many of us don't think we need to do, like the idiot Swift driver who I met in the broker's officer yelling about his need to figure out what KM means and getting stuck in Quebec without being able to figure out what EST meant.

It makes no difference if it is a bigger or smaller problem. A job is a job. Your saying it's ok because it is not as many jobs affected? If you do not think it will be a problem you obviously have not made much money taking things to and from our southern border. Maybe what your really saying is it will not affect you very much.

Not at all, jobs are important to me but the quality of those jobs are very important to me. I want to see rates rise but there is a underlying cause for this, some has to do with the union and some has to do with the large companies. We fail as an industry to look at things objectively and have some knee jerk reaction to changes. Many scream murder when it comes to their "rights" to operate and more when something appears to be a change as in letting others into the country to work but stay silent when it comes to fight real issues. I don't see the sweeping changes being made after the fact, I don't see the job losses as predicted because we have a two fold problem that people seem not to fight against, poor drivers who go through the mill and carriers who use them to make money which combined is one of the biggest threats to rates and the industry. The Mexican trucker doesn't work for nothing, they work for wage slightly lower than ours, pretty much what a lot of van drivers get, and that isn't enough to make the industry falter. Coupled with the high cost of fuel, the administration cost involved and the very fact that the company over there has to provide benefits to them regardless, I can't see how the operation of trucks on this side of the border is any more of a threat than the crap driver who turns into a truck stop and takes out his trailer while earning 35 cents a mile.

As for effecting me, it does in a lot more ways than many of you. I have a reason to be upset but this business change is constant and without it we would not be here.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
Greg I agree crime is everywhere ok BBBBUUUTTT Mexico is basically lawless at the moment you don't cross into Canada and have machineguns all over the place and tanks driving down the roads of the cities and pick up trucks with 10 guys in back armed to the teeth.

Mexico is at war at the moment it is a massive difference.

And yes Detroit has bad areas drove through one other day while picking a load up. But the problem with let's say nuevo laredo the whole city is bad no good or bad and juarez is the same. Put it to you this way you cross the border walking it's a 5-/50 chance of returning to usa cross in a loaded truck it's a good chance you will walk back to usa or return in a body bag or never be found at all. It's very bad down there.

Yes we need Mexican trucks but only at the border to take the loads into Mexico not to pickup in Let's say Elk grove village or Detroit or erie or Dallas, tx. only the border towns.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
So far today from EXPEDITED LOADS ONLY I saw 72 loads to Laredo mixed of CV, str8, tt, sprtr. SO this means 72 of you today would not have gotten those loads.

Now I didn't even count the loads for TT on Large truck load boards many gong to laredo, nogales, elpaso. I would guess 300+ from many cities in usa.

That's 372 + trucks today that may not have moved or had to go a different direction.


Now lets say 372 x 2.25 across board pm / 1300 average trip thats 483,600 miles and $1,088,100 of lost TAXABLE INCOME for USA companies in 1 day. take that by 5 work days it adds up fast.

Time to wake up people !
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Yep equal, a foreign country is still a foreign country. No matter, do you take loads to Mexico or expect the loads to travel on their own?

What are you even trying to say? There is no comparison to be made. If I take a load from Detroit to Laredo and some one else takes it into Mexico did I not just get a 1600 mile load. If a driver from Mexico picks up that load in Detroit and takes it into Mexico did I just not get 1600 miles?

I take loads to Canada and if I lived in say Laredo, I would most likely do the same thing. I know a few who do this down there, Yuma and in Eagle Pass and they tell me it isn't as bad as many make it out as - and they ain't a dark skinned short guys either.

If you did take something into Mexico (which I highly doubt) you would only go a very few miles into the country. With Canada the roads are good and it is much safer you can go hundreds of miles into the country. I also know people in Texas, used to live there and the huge majority will not cross that border even if they did on a regular basis ten years ago. My Sister used to run a car parts manufacture across the border from McCallen. She made more money per year than I make in 6 years, she left that job, much of that decision was based on safety.

The same thing applies to the situation with Canada, they can take loads from here back there. So what's the difference, the work is being taken away regardless, right?

Again you ignore my statement that American drivers going into Canada and their drivers coming here is probably pretty much a wash. It will not be that way with our southern border. Their will be a much higher percentage of Mexican drivers here than American there.[

Do you think there isn't crime in Canada?

I mean hijacking occurs there, and so does shootings. I see people sitting in their trucks in places near the bridge in Detroit that I'm nervous going through but they seem to survive. I warned a couple in the past, one was bright enough to claim there isn't crime in Detroit because he didn't see it.

Your seriously trying to compare crime in Canada or the states with that in Mexico? C'mon you can come up with a better argument than that.

Not at all, jobs are important to me but the quality of those jobs are very important to me. I want to see rates rise but there is a underlying cause for this, some has to do with the union and some has to do with the large companies. We fail as an industry to look at things objectively and have some knee jerk reaction to changes. Many scream murder when it comes to their "rights" to operate and more when something appears to be a change as in letting others into the country to work but stay silent when it comes to fight real issues. I don't see the sweeping changes being made after the fact, I don't see the job losses as predicted because we have a two fold problem that people seem not to fight against, poor drivers who go through the mill and carriers who use them to make money which combined is one of the biggest threats to rates and the industry. The Mexican trucker doesn't work for nothing, they work for wage slightly lower than ours, pretty much what a lot of van drivers get, and that isn't enough to make the industry falter. Coupled with the high cost of fuel, the administration cost involved and the very fact that the company over there has to provide benefits to them regardless, I can't see how the operation of trucks on this side of the border is any more of a threat than the crap driver who turns into a truck stop and takes out his trailer while earning 35 cents a mile.

As for effecting me, it does in a lot more ways than many of you. I have a reason to be upset but this business change is constant and without it we would not be here.

Is it going to wipe out the American trucking Industry, no. Is it going to cause a loss of freight and jobs for American workers, yes. Even if that loss is 1% right now that is to much.

I care about all jobs, the one for the kid in High school, the one for someone with only a 12th grade education and all the rest of them. Just because a job doesn't work for me doesn't mean it isn't a good fit for another person and could make a difference in their life.

Going back to Canada and the US, their pay scale and cost of living is more on Par with ours, cost of living is probably even more so reduces rates from Canadian drivers is not a fear. The cost of living and pay scale in Mexico is far lower than here so yes they can run cheaper in larger numbers than American drivers can.

There are a lot of tings wrong and not equal with this law. At this point in our economy it is one of the last things we need in our industry.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So far today from EXPEDITED LOADS ONLY I saw 72 loads to Laredo mixed of CV, str8, tt, sprtr. SO this means 72 of you today would not have gotten those loads.

Now I didn't even count the loads for TT on Large truck load boards many gong to laredo, nogales, elpaso. I would guess 300+ from many cities in usa.

That's 372 + trucks today that may not have moved or had to go a different direction.


Now lets say 372 x 2.25 across board pm / 1300 average trip thats 483,600 miles and $1,088,100 of lost TAXABLE INCOME for USA companies in 1 day. take that by 5 work days it adds up fast.

Time to wake up people !

How do I break this to ya....:confused:

Mexican CV's have been in the US for some time now....I've seen them in the Detroit area....

So as one thing seems to lead to another...lets just blame them for the cheap freight rate on all CV's....It is the Mexicans fault....
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
How do I break this to ya....:confused:

Mexican CV's have been in the US for some time now....I've seen them in the Detroit area....

So as one thing seems to lead to another...lets just blame them for the cheap freight rate on all CV's....It is the Mexicans fault....

Most the loads were not CV hell cargo van freight is slim for long runs I am talking about straight trucks and semis where the real money is at .
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The Mexican truckers will also create jobs here or at least create a little extra revenue...

They eat just like us....
They will need to fuel....
They will breakdown and need fixin...
They will pay tolls....
They will cross scales and be nailed for that little marker light out...
 
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