It's ALWAYS racism

TJ959

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Oh @#**# I tried to ignore this one but I can't. I'm not openly racist but I guess I am to some extent as all people are. The thing is, I disagree with Obama and all his minions. Last time I checked it was legal in this country to disagree with anyone as long as you didn't infringe on their rights as a citizen. Now it seems I'm pondscum and racist and a pervert becase I'm conservative. I've never seen such a group of name calling folks in my life. Disagree and get trashed for your troubles.
 

dieseldiva

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Oh @#**# I tried to ignore this one but I can't. I'm not openly racist but I guess I am to some extent as all people are. The thing is, I disagree with Obama and all his minions. Last time I checked it was legal in this country to disagree with anyone as long as you didn't infringe on their rights as a citizen. Now it seems I'm pondscum and racist and a pervert becase I'm conservative. I've never seen such a group of name calling folks in my life. Disagree and get trashed for your troubles.

You forgot "teabagger", one that's darn near as insulting as racist! :mad:
 

Turtle

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As I've said, there's nothing inherently wrong with being a racist, at least to a degree. The problem comes when one is clearly disingenuous about it. I really don't have a problem with someone who is a racist, right up until the point where they become hypocritical about it and say they're not. Being a racist might not be socially acceptable or politically correct, but at least it's honest.

For example, the resurgence of the all-but-dead term mulatto. It's a great litmus test. In the past, even the recent past, anyone who was black at nearly any percentage, even a small percentage, was considered black (that ridiculous "One Drop Rule" of 100 years ago still lingers in the hearts and minds of most Americans). However, those who just cannot stand the thought of a black man being president, they all of a sudden feel the need to make the hair-splitting distinction between being black and being not-quite so black, a.k.a. mulatto. If he's not 100% black, then all of a sudden neat and tidy, we don't have a black president. They can't live with a black president, but if he's not really black, they can live with that. Considering the number of mixed-race people we encounter every day, and the fact that the are not referred to as mulatto, and the term has suddenly resurfaced into the vernacular solely because of Obama, there is no other logical or emotional conclusion that can be reached. Everyone else is either just plain black, or biracial.

Did you know that Crispus Attucks, the first to fall in the Boston Massacre, was half black and half Native American? The history books list him as a black man. Booker T. Washington wasn't even half and half, his mother was, and his father was white. That makes him just 1/4 black, yet he was a black man. There's a long list of "black" people, who are called black, but are in fact biracial, or mulatto from Bob Marley to Derek Jeter to Jennifer Beals to Jimi Hendricks to Vin Diesel to Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) to Malcom X to Tiger Woods. Yet the term is mostly reserved for Obama. Can you imagine what some people would have done if Jesse Jackson had gotten elected? Why, they'd have just... exploded.

Old habits die hard, and old ways of thinking die even harder. When I was a kid I wasn't a racist, but then I was taught to be racist. Now that I've gotten older, I realize that life's too short to worry about things that don't matter, things like race. Cultures matter, because that's how we live our daily lives, but races within those cultures are by and large irrelevant. We all want the same things out of life. Which is why "multiculturalism" is so dangerous and divisive. It puts the emphasis on the wrong things.
 

LDB

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LDB = racist? Nah. LDB = prejudiced? OK, no problem. I am definitely prejudiced but it has nothing to do with skin color or race. It has to do with things like extreme liberalism, failure to support the Constitution and the nation and other faults that have nothing whatsoever to do with race. My objections to Obama have nothing to do with his race(s). It doesn't matter that he's black and white, or is he white and black, and wouldn't matter if he were purple or green. The same holds for anyone else. Race, who cares? Morals, values, background, associates and associations? Now we are onto something and defining what cries out for prejudice in some cases.

The original point still stands. If a person is of multiple racial backgrounds then everything said about them is racist if the race card is drawn. It can't help but be so because whoever says whatever is going to be of a different race and therefore racist to those who so quickly draw the race card. Nevermind that 99.97% of the time the race card is drawn it's bogus. That's usually the reason it's drawn, because it takes something bogus like that to deflect and misdirect the point from what was said and likely was correct to something else, race.

You silly liberals just keep on calling me names and answering everything that's brought up with comments about Bush that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion. We need the laugh because there's certainly nothing to smile about under the current blanket of leadership we're being smothered with.
 

dieseldiva

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The term seems to be simply a description that was used properly in a previous post....does it not describe the president?

mu·lat·to 1. A person having one white and one Black parent. See Usage Note at octoroon.
2. A person of mixed white and Black ancestry.
 

Turtle

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Prejudice - to pre-judge. An opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

Decisions based on extreme liberalism, morals, values, background, associates and associations are all arrived at with knowledge (or at least the assumption of knowledge), thought and reason.

Just thought I'd point out that minor detail. :D


The term seems to be simply a description that was used properly in a previous post....does it not describe the president?
Yes, it does, but it is a term that comes from "mule" and is no longer in general usage with the public, and has not been since the 50's. It has been long replaced with multi-racial and bi-racial, and it only used today as a pejorative slang, and other than with slave traders and writers of Civil War Era romantic novels, has never been used technically to describe a race or ethnic background. There are a few who are trying hard to bring it back into general usage, but as soon as Obama is out of office, they'll quit using it in daily conversation and will go back to biracial, half-breed and mutt, same as before.
 
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Poorboy

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Prejudice - to pre-judge. An opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

Decisions based on extreme liberalism, morals, values, background, associates and associations are all arrived at with knowledge (or at least the assumption of knowledge), thought and reason.

Just thought I'd point out that minor detail. :D


Yes, it does, but it is a term that comes from "mule" and is no longer in general usage with the public, and has not been since the 50's. It has been long replaced with multi-racial and bi-racial, and it only used today as a pejorative slang, and other than with slave traders and writers of Civil War Era romantic novels, has never been used technically to describe a race or ethnic background. There are a few who are trying hard to bring it back into general usage, but as soon as Obama is out of office, they'll quite using it in daily conversation and will go back to biracial, half-breed and mutt, same as before.

Say what you want Mr.Turtle, But the Term Mulatto is Not a Dead Name and Has been and Still Is being Used by Many People of ALL Colors which is Not a Racist Name! :D
 

Turtle

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I never said it was dead, I said it was no longer in general use by the public. There are people who, until Obama, had never even heard the term. It's simply not in the regular vocabulary of most Americans, and even far less from those of other countries. It is of Spanish slave-trader origin, but the term isn't even used in Spain anymore for someone with mixed race. It's only used here, and by a very small percentage of the population, at that. It's often very hard to tell if someone is mulatto without asking a few questions, but because of the "One Drop Rule" that still resonates within out culture, you can easily tell if someone's black. That's why mulatto isn't in general use with the public. Say what you will, justify it any way you want to, but those who insist on using the term are saying a lot more about themselves than they are about those to whom they apply it.
 

LDB

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Hmmm... I guess then I'm not prejudiced I'm actually postjudiced since you are correct that those things are based on at least some knowledge or prior interaction with an individual. I'm not sure what word applies but racist isn't it as the things I'm judgemental about transcend race and I really don't care about a person's race.
 

Poorboy

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I never said it was dead, I said it was no longer in general use by the public. There are people who, until Obama, had never even heard the term. It's simply not in the regular vocabulary of most Americans, and even far less from those of other countries. It is of Spanish slave-trader origin, but the term isn't even used in Spain anymore for someone with mixed race. It's only used here, and by a very small percentage of the population, at that. It's often very hard to tell if someone is mulatto without asking a few questions, but because of the "One Drop Rule" that still resonates within out culture, you can easily tell if someone's black. That's why mulatto isn't in general use with the public. Say what you will, justify it any way you want to, but those who insist on using the term are saying a lot more about themselves than they are about those to whom they apply it.

Justify it?? I don't feel that I Have to Justify anything: He is Half Black and Half White--Right? You Can't call him Black cuz he's only 1/2 Black and You Can't call him White cuz he's only 1/2 White--Right? So the Word Mulatto Fits him to a Tee! And like I said before it is Not a Racist Name, But it's a name that Applies to His Race(s) and Has applied to Others of the Same Mix no matter how you want to word it to Fit your Needs! :D
 

Turtle

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The term you're searching for is judgmental, since once one considers the facts (and assumptions and even illusory correlations like guilt by association), one can reach a conclusion, or judgment.

Just be careful to not let racism color (I love a good pun) or inflate your outrage over him and his actions. Otherwise it's Michael Vick all over again.


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Turtle

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Justify it?? I don't feel that I Have to Justify anything:
Of course you don't.

He is Half Black and Half White--Right?
Right

You Can't call him Black cuz he's only 1/2 Black and You Can't call him White cuz he's only 1/2 White--Right?
Wrong

He's known worldwide as American's first black president. He refers to himself as black, most recently on Letterman. The "One Drop Rule" is a highly ingrained part of our culture, and thus he is black, despite his split genetic ancestry. If you spotted him on the street and didn't know who he was, you would highly, highly, unlikely to refer to him as anything other than black. Before Obama became a nationally known figure, I will be hard pressed to believe that you used the term mulatto in daily or even weekly conversation. When he was elected we saw black people partying and crying in the streets, and it sure wasn't because they were overwhelmed by the fact that the first mulatto was elected. <snort>

So the Word Mulatto Fits him to a Tee!
Perhaps, but if you look up the origin of the word and its general usage, you might not think so. There was a time when the term was important, or so it seemed at the time, but that time has long since passed, long before you and I were born.

And like I said before it is Not a Racist Name...
It's slang for "non-white"

But it's a name that Applies to His Race(s) and Has applied to Others of the Same Mix
It's a name that only applies as slang. The term has never been used as a technical term for a race or mixture of races. Each race has a technical term, and "mulatto" does not exist anywhere within those technical names for any race. It's a derivative of a Spanish term for mule. It was initially used to mean a mixture of European ancestry (a.k.a., white) and anything non-European, and quickly became a mechanism for granting certain rights. The "One Drop Rule" continued as part of the actual law in many states, all of them southern, into the 1930's as a continued mechanism to justify racism and to restrict the rights of "certain people". This was part of the Jim Crow laws.

So, yes, the term "fits him to a Tee", but only in the proper context, that of Jim Crow racism.

no matter how you want to word it to Fit your Needs! :D
Clearly, you have a need to use the term, to split hairs that he himself sees no reason to do. Myself, I prefer to simply call a spade a spade and be done with it. :rolleyes:
 

Poorboy

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Of course you don't.

Right

Wrong

He's known worldwide as American's first black president. He refers to himself as black, most recently on Letterman. The "One Drop Rule" is a highly ingrained part of our culture, and thus he is black, despite his split genetic ancestry. If you spotted him on the street and didn't know who he was, you would highly, highly, unlikely to refer to him as anything other than black. Before Obama became a nationally known figure, I will be hard pressed to believe that you used the term mulatto in daily or even weekly conversation. When he was elected we saw black people partying and crying in the streets, and it sure wasn't because they were overwhelmed by the fact that the first mulatto was elected. <snort>

Perhaps, but if you look up the origin of the word and its general usage, you might not think so. There was a time when the term was important, or so it seemed at the time, but that time has long since passed, long before you and I were born.

It's slang for "non-white"

It's a name that only applies as slang. The term has never been used as a technical term for a race or mixture of races. Each race has a technical term, and "mulatto" does not exist anywhere within those technical names for any race. It's a derivative of a Spanish term for mule. It was initially used to mean a mixture of European ancestry (a.k.a., white) and anything non-European, and quickly became a mechanism for granting certain rights. The "One Drop Rule" continued as part of the actual law in many states, all of them southern, into the 1930's as a continued mechanism to justify racism and to restrict the rights of "certain people". This was part of the Jim Crow laws.

So, yes, the term "fits him to a Tee", but only in the proper context, that of Jim Crow racism.

Clearly, you have a need to use the term, to split hairs that he himself sees no reason to do. Myself, I prefer to simply call a spade a spade and be done with it. :rolleyes:

You can call a Spade a Spade if you want to,<Snort> But, I choose Not to use that term or any of the "Others"! I have been using the term Mulatto since I was Very Young and Continue to use it today! There is Nothing Wrong with it or is it Not being Politically Correct it's just the Name I Prefer to use! It also appears that I am Not alone when it comes to that Name Also! He can be Known World Wide as the First Black President all he wants, But he is Still a Mulatto! I'm sure that if he would have Decided to use Mulatto or White when he was Running for this Office then he Probably wouldn't have Made it! So To Get the Black Vote, he Chose to Use Black! Now that's Just My Opinion Ofcourse But it's also Something to Think About! So they can Party in the Streets and do all the Crying they want to, Like it or Not, They didn't elect the first Black President, They Elected the Next Closest Thing and That was a Mulatto :rolleyes: :D
 
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