It just Keeps Getting Better

[chefdennis]

Yeap, buried in the recently senate passed "Highway Bill" is just more illegal BS from this admin....Yea some people will say "well i dont travel out of the country, so its no big deal"...Hope that works well for all of you...you know its like, well i have nothing to hide so sure search my car/truck....

Bill in Congress could suspend your passport if you own taxes to the IRS
Written By Kenneth Schortgen Jr
Friday, March 23, 2012 | 11:35 AM

Bill in Congress could suspend your passport if you own taxes to the IRS - The Daily Economist

There is a new bill in Congress that is expected to pass that would allow the government to suspend your travel outside the country if you own taxes to the IRS.

Senate Bill 1813 (Highway trust fund), which was passed by the Senate last week and is now pending in the House of Representatives contains a provision that would allow the IRS to order the State Department to refuse to grant, refuse to renew, revoke or restrict the passport of any US citizen which the IRS certifies owes the IRS $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes. There is no requirement that the tax payer be guilty of or even charged with tax evasion, fraud, or any criminal offense - only that the citizen is alleged to owe the IRS back taxes of $50,000 or more.

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With Capital Control measures expected to be implemented in 2013, which would force Americans to keep their money from going offshore, the laws being legislated are now affecting the average citizen far more than any action against terrorists, or in support of the 'War on Terror'.

 

[cableguymn]

How is Timmy or Buffet ever going to get out of town now??????

 

[chefdennis]

what gets me is this admin just keeps giving these "agencies" these illegal regulatory powers and the rest of the worthless elected pos dont do anything about it.....i mean, ok you owe 50 grand in back taxes..but you haven't committed any crime, but the government feels they have the power to take away your rights...this is a case of "your papers please"...but they aren't asking for them, they are just taking them....where does this bs stop?

 

[aristotle]

$50,000 seems like a very low threshold. We cannot leave a motel without paying the bill. We cannot leave a merchant or restaurant without paying the amount due. It makes sense the federal government doesn't want to risk absconders might flee the country owing 'the bill." However, with this proposed legislation, actually owing taxes does not have to be established, only alleged. The federal government is tightening the screws. Hopefully, the more conservative House of Representatives will not pass this legislation.

 

[RLENT]

$50,000 seems like a very low threshold.

It's an extremely low threshold - particularly when one considers that a small business owner could have multiple years in dispute .... and, given the way the IRS operates, their assessment of the situation may be highly flawed (they rely on "information returns" from third parties, which may themselves be incorrect .... or incorrectly interpreted by the IRS .... BTDT, got the t-shirt)

It makes sense the federal government doesn't want to risk absconders might flee the country owing 'the bill."

To some extent, yes .... but ....

However, with this proposed legislation, actually owing taxes does not have to be established, only alleged.

Precisely - the presumption of innocence and the rule of law is being chucked out the window .... by one party being the judge, jury, and executioner ....

The federal government is tightening the screws.

They almost always do .... nature of the beast ....

Hopefully, the more conservative House of Representatives will not pass this legislation.

Hopefully .... but unfortunately the idea of the state over individual has taken firm root among some who claim to be conservatives .... over the last ten or twenty the scales have been tipping in the wrong direction ....

It's what happens when one forgets the libertarian aspects of conservatism .... and loses sight of the fact that government is meant to serve the individual as opposed to the reverse ....

 

[davekc]

Just like the new Obamacare bill, there will be "special" exemptions.

 

[aristotle]

Relative to Senate Bill 1813, it would be interesting to know who inserted the provision restricting and/or revoking passports and foreign travel. The ability to travel freely as one pleases is widely viewed as a basic right. Restricting travel abroad is the signature of a totalitarian state. Would the construction of our own Berlin Wall here in the US be considered a "shovel ready" project?

 

[RLENT]

Relative to Senate Bill 1813, it would be interesting to know who inserted the provision restricting and/or revoking passports and foreign travel.

I believe Boxer authored the bill ....

The ability to travel freely as one pleases is widely viewed as a basic right. Restricting travel abroad is the signature of a totalitarian state.

There was an older gentleman that recently mentioned that his concern about how fencing in our borders might not necessarily be done to keep others out, as much as it might be done to keep us in ....

As I recall, he was treated rather dismissively .... highly ironic if you ask me .... particularly when one considers his history and track record of seeing what lies ahead ....

But then prophets tend to be poorly regarded in their own lands ....

 

[Moot]

But then prophets tend to be poorly regarded in their own lands ....

If I may: But then prophets tend to be poorly regarded in their own time.

 

[skyraider]

The House and Senate have really run out of things to do on their To Do List. How in the blankety blank do we respect our House and Senate when they keep pulling manure moves? They just need to put their thumbs in their mouth and go on out to recess so the rest of us can get along with our lives. The last time many of us were in recess was in grades one thru six, so our House and Senate clowns never got that,lol, IMHO> they are still in that mindset. Merrygorounds anyone?

 

[RLENT]

If I may: But then prophets tend to be poorly regarded in their own time.

You certainly may .... and thank you.

 

[AMonger]

I believe Boxer authored the bill ....


There was an older gentleman that recently mentioned that his concern about how fencing in our borders might not necessarily be done to keep others out, as much as it might be done to keep us in ....

As I recall, he was treated rather dismissively .... highly ironic if you ask me .... particularly when one considers his history and track record of seeing what lies ahead ....

But then prophets tend to be poorly regarded in their own lands ....

I thought that was common knowledge.

 

[chefdennis]

RLENT wrote:

There was an older gentleman that recently mentioned that his concern about how fencing in our borders might not necessarily be done to keep others out, as much as it might be done to keep us in ....

As I recall, he was treated rather dismissively .... highly ironic if you ask me .... particularly when one considers his history and track record of seeing what lies ahead ....

I post "stuff" from "Old guy" here from time to time, I just did in another thread...yea they are from "old guys" much older then the one you are referring to, but its funny how we look back at those "old guys quotes" and see just how smart they were....

 

[tumbleweeds]

How is Timmy or Buffet ever going to get out of town now??????

They own their own border crossing and with their private jets, they own their own air space. They both probably own their own country and travel on their own countries passport.

 

[Pilgrim]

Relative to Senate Bill 1813, it would be interesting to know who inserted the provision restricting and/or revoking passports and foreign travel. The ability to travel freely as one pleases is widely viewed as a basic right. Restricting travel abroad is the signature of a totalitarian state. Would the construction of our own Berlin Wall here in the US be considered a "shovel ready" project?

Actually, the revocation of a passport isn't all that unusual under certain circumstances:
"DOS revokes passports in accordance with Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) sections 51.60-62, and 51.65. There are also several statutes under which passports may be revoked and that are incorporated into DOS’s regulations, including: 8 U.S.C. 1504 (the passport was illegally, fraudulently or erroneously obtained); 42 U.S.C. 652(k) (for non-payment of child support); 22 U.S.C. 2714 (for certain drug traffickers); 22 U.S.C. 2671(d)(3) (non-repayment of repatriation loan); and 22 U.S.C. 212a (adds authority to revoke passports of persons convicted of sex tourism)."

http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2011/April/revocation-us-passport-pm-602-0036.pdf

Considering a passport can be revoked for failure to pay child support, it's not a stretch to see them wanting to do the same for back taxes - assuming it's been proven that the individual actually owes the taxes. Hopefully, the Republicans will at least reword the legislation.

 

[RLENT]

Actually, the revocation of a passport isn't all that unusual under certain circumstances:

and 22 U.S.C. 212a (adds authority to revoke passports of persons convicted of sex tourism)."

I guess this potentially means that those Secret Service members, as well the 10 members of the military who were involved in the recent fiasco, will be consigned to getting their jollies at home ....

 

[layoutshooter]

[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]I guess this potentially means that those Secret Service members, as well the 10 members of the military who were involved in the recent fiasco, will be consigned to getting their jollies at home ....

Only IF they committed a crime AND are convicted of it. They all will, however, be getting their jollies in the U.S. now. They will not be making any more of THOSE trips.

What idiots. That job in the military is a GOOD job. Turning that one down when I was offered it is basic training was one the dumber moves in my life. I would have been set for life had I taken that duty.