It is Their Right....

[layoutshooter]

I don't believe it is a stupid question. I don't believe that "protesting" them would do one bit of good. I believe that protesting them would only encourage them to protest even MORE!

These are disgusting people who have NO regards for others rights or feelings. They THRIVE on publicity. The more they are protested the more the news will come out. The more the news will show and THAT will encourage their activity.

You can believe what ever you choose. I have little faith that your idea would work but you are more than welcome to try and I hope I am wrong.

Violence is most likely NOT the answer in this case, BUT, it IS likely to happen unless there is a way to stop this.

Good luck. I think you are going to need it.

 

[layoutshooter]

I find the funeral protests disrespectful and hateful, but I am grateful we live in a country where we can express ourselves. Freedom of speech has to be all or nothing otherwise it isn't free...

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

Don't you believe for ONE second that we have TOTAL freedom of speech. Just get together a crowd of several thousand people, have them make up LARGE anti-Obama signs. Then have them at an outdoor, public setting, Obama rally. Arm them with bull horns and have them sing and shout anti-Obama slogans. See what happens.

That is POLITICAL speech. PROTECTED speech. Any bets on how many arrests there would be?

 

[chefdennis]

Yea people can protest them, but it has done nothing...The "Patriot Guard" as stepped in a few time as a show of protest to neuralize the WBC, but it hasn't stopped them from still moving forward and they will continue. They now have the SC backing their position (as they should have) so what affect is protesting them going to have?? Really what affect is it going to have in stopping them from continuing???

YouTube - Westboro Baptist neutralized by the Patriot Guard Riders

Our Mission

 

[cheri1122]

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You can believe what ever you choose. I have little faith that your idea would work but you are more than welcome to try and I hope I am wrong.
First, it's not my idea - do you think I planned such a protest at one of the funerals in Tucson? You REALLY need to slow down & read what people wrote.
Second, it has worked - can't recall the specifics, but it has been done already. The WBC was prevented from inflicting their 'protest' on the mourners at one [maybe more] funeral, which is why it was planned in Tucson.
There is a link in the article linked in the OP to a Facebook group requesting volunteers to do the same for the funerals of the children killed in Pa - but you didn't read the article, did you?

Violence is most likely NOT the answer in this case, BUT, it IS likely to happen unless there is a way to stop this.

Violence is absolutely not the answer, and if it happens, it will be because [some] people don't bother getting the facts before deciding what they think 'should' be done.
And when they go to jail for it, they'll deserve it.

 

[dieseldiva]

This is one town that fought back, without fighting....

 

[layoutshooter]

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You can believe what ever you choose. I have little faith that your idea would work but you are more than welcome to try and I hope I am wrong.
First, it's not my idea - do you think I planned such a protest at one of the funerals in Tucson? You REALLY need to slow down & read what people wrote.
Second, it has worked - can't recall the specifics, but it has been done already. The WBC was prevented from inflicting their 'protest' on the mourners at one [maybe more] funeral, which is why it was planned in Tucson.
There is a link in the article linked in the OP to a Facebook group requesting volunteers to do the same for the funerals of the children killed in Pa - but you didn't read the article, did you?

Violence is most likely NOT the answer in this case, BUT, it IS likely to happen unless there is a way to stop this.

Violence is absolutely not the answer, and if it happens, it will be because [some] people don't bother getting the facts before deciding what they think 'should' be done.
And when they go to jail for it, they'll deserve it.

Cherrii, I am NOT trying to have a contest with you. I you want to protest them, go ahead. You believe it may work long term, I don't. Have at it.

Violence MAY happen because a family member, in the heat of their grief, will lose it.

Sooner or later if you punch enough people someone will punch you back. Like it or not, that is how it is. Always has been, always will.

Evil people need to be stopped. I hope the plan you endorse stops them. I doubt it can but they ARE evil and MUST somehow be stopped.

I am going to sit back and watch your efforts. (you as in all who try to "out protest" them) Good luck to you all. I have no answer that will work. Don't pretend too.

 

[cheri1122]

Thank you, Diva - that's the one I couldn't recall the name of. And IT WORKED!
Another one I just read on Wiki: in Boston, volunteers organized a call-a-thon: folks called in donations to gay/lesbian groups for every minute the WBC protested. I like that one!

 

[cheri1122]

Cherrii, I am NOT trying to have a contest with you. I you want to protest them, go ahead. You believe it may work long term, I don't. Have at it.
I believe it works, yes, because that's been proven - as Diva's link shows.

Violence MAY happen because a family member, in the heat of their grief, will lose it.
Family members who are shielded by dozens to hundreds of volunteers will not even know the WBC is anywhere near, and that's the point. They can protest all they like, it won't touch the mourners at all.

Sooner or later if you punch enough people someone will punch you back. Like it or not, that is how it is. Always has been, always will.

Evil people need to be stopped. I hope the plan you endorse stops them. I doubt it can but they ARE evil and MUST somehow be stopped.

I am going to sit back and watch your efforts. (you as in all who try to "out protest" them) Good luck to you all. I have no answer that will work. Don't pretend too.

With all due respect, you "have no answer" because you don't actually know what the question is, so it's for the best if you sit back and watch as those who do solve the problem.
I hope I can help them get it done.

 

[dieseldiva]

Cherrii, I am NOT trying to have a contest with you. I you want to protest them, go ahead. You believe it may work long term, I don't. Have at it.

Violence MAY happen because a family member, in the heat of their grief, will lose it.

Sooner or later if you punch enough people someone will punch you back. Like it or not, that is how it is. Always has been, always will.

Evil people need to be stopped. I hope the plan you endorse stops them. I doubt it can but they ARE evil and MUST somehow be stopped.

I am going to sit back and watch your efforts. (you as in all who try to "out protest" them) Good luck to you all. I have no answer that will work. Don't pretend too.

If the counter-protesting that Cheri speaks of stops the family members of JUST ONE fallen hero or one deceased child from seeing/hearing these idiots then it's working.....we need more people to take a stand such as she talks about, not people that continue to "sit back and watch the efforts" of others while these families suffer.

 

[layoutshooter]

• With all due respect, you "have no answer" because you don't actually know what the question is, so it's for the best if you sit back and watch as those who do solve the problem.
  I hope I can help them get it done.

  
  
  I know the question, I am NOT as stupid as some may think. I don't have an answer because I believe, long term, that nothing will stop these people. The question is, at least in my book, is how to protect the rights of people to act like jerks while protecting grieving families from those jerks. Protecting the Constitution WITHOUT allowing those who would abuse it under the guise of "exercising" THEIR rights without responsibility, respect for others, or common sense.
  
  
  They have ZERO respect for anyone else. The do NOT believe in responsible exercising of their rights. They have NO every day common courtesy. They are just "in your face" sewer scum out for nothing more than to cause trouble.
  
  I work on things that I can have an effect on. I do not believe that they can be stopped, long term, and that it will take the sort of action you wish to participate in 100% of the time. Just tying up the lives of more and more people. They win.
  
  But hey, I could be wrong, I hope I am. I hope you and those you protest with are right and the WBC fades away.
  
  I will work on things that I KNOW I have a chance of winning. I far too little time for "projects" these days. If I ever get out of this business and have lots and lots of free time that could change. You do your good deeds, I will do mine. More people win that way. Not everyone can, or should, do everything.

 

[cheri1122]

That's exactly what it's all about: volunteers serving as insulation between the mourners and the protesters. No one interferes with the WBC's right to free speech, they simply exercise their own, without saying a word, or holding a sign, either. Their actions speak loud and clear, and the WBC bothers nobody with their venom.
If anyone is interested in joining the effort in Pa next week, click on the article in the OP, then the Facebook link.

 

[layoutshooter]

That's exactly what it's all about: volunteers serving as insulation between the mourners and the protesters. No one interferes with the WBC's right to free speech, they simply exercise their own, without saying a word, or holding a sign, either. Their actions speak loud and clear, and the WBC bothers nobody with their venom.
If anyone is interested in joining the effort in Pa next week, click on the article in the OP, then the Facebook link.

Hey, if I find myself up there I will just park my truck in front of them and run the APU and reefer to drown out their swill. I can't run the big engine, I would get a ticket for idling.

I wonder if there is going to be "non-violent" support from the ACLU or non-gun owners when they try to outlaw the SECOND Amendment? You know, out of love of the Constitution? I kinda doubt that.

 

[greg334]

Protecting the Constitution WITHOUT allowing those who would abuse it under the guise of "exercising" THEIR rights without responsibility, respect for others, or common sense.

BUT see layout you among many others don't get a very very important point - there is no abuse of a right or the constitution when someone exercises their right.

THE abuse comes from people who want to define the rights as they see it should be defined. The abuse comes from those who frivolously sue over the rights we have to define it when it is objectionable or when it offends them.

There is no responsibility clause, there is no common sense clause and there is no respect clause - in other words people have the right to exercise their freedoms when they do no direct physical harm to another person or cause them damage in regards to other freedoms. In other words, no one has the right NOT to be offended.

What bothers me and one reason why I ask if people are going to put action to work is IF this group is so horrible to others, like say some of the military people, why do I even have to ask people if they are going to join others in countering these protesters at these events - I would think that the nation would be rallying together to do the right thing but I just don't see it at the level we all should.

 

[layoutshooter]

I was taught that EVERY thing that we do MUST be done with responsibility. That INCLUDES the exercise of our rights. Irresponsible activity is almost always wrong. When a person exercises their rights in a responsible manner, everyone benefits. When not exercised in a responsible manner, everyone loses.

We will never agree on this. You cannot change my mind, I cannot change yours.

Why should the Nation care about this? The Nation has been electing anti-Constitution candidates for YEARS!! Look at Obama, just the latest in a long line.

Why the outrage on this? No outrage when the Second Amendment is attacked on a regular basis. When the 10th is ruined by Obama Care?

This too will fade. Then it will be business as usual. Most who are screaming that the 1st Amendment must be protected now will continue to allow the rest of the Bill of Rights get trashed. They will continue to vote in the likes of Obama and MOST Americans will be MORE than willing to give up their rights for a free brewski. Brave men and women will continue to waste their lives for them.

 

[layoutshooter]

I was taught that EVERY thing that we do MUST be done with responsibility. That INCLUDES the exercise of our rights. Irresponsible activity is almost always wrong. When a person exercises their rights in a responsible manner, everyone benefits. When not exercised in a responsible manner, everyone loses.

We will never agree on this. You cannot change my mind, I cannot change yours.

Why should the Nation care about this? The Nation has been electing anti-Constitution candidates for YEARS!! Look at Obama, just the latest in a long line.

Why the outrage on this? No outrage when the Second Amendment is attacked on a regular basis. When the 10th is ruined by Obama Care?

This too will fade. Then it will be business as usual. Most who are screaming that the 1st Amendment must be protected now will continue to allow the rest of the Bill of Rights get trashed. They will continue to vote in the likes of Obama and MOST Americans will be MORE than willing to give up their rights for a free brewski. Brave men and women will continue to waste their lives for them.

 

[layoutshooter]

I was taught that EVERY thing that we do MUST be done with responsibility. That INCLUDES the exercise of our rights. Irresponsible activity is almost always wrong. When a person exercises their rights in a responsible manner, everyone benefits. When not exercised in a responsible manner, everyone loses.

We will never agree on this. You cannot change my mind, I cannot change yours.

Why should the Nation care about this? The Nation has been electing anti-Constitution candidates for YEARS!! Look at Obama, just the latest in a long line.

Why the outrage on this? No outrage when the Second Amendment is attacked on a regular basis. When the 10th is ruined by Obama Care?

This too will fade. Then it will be business as usual. Most who are screaming that the 1st Amendment must be protected now will continue to allow the rest of the Bill of Rights get trashed. They will continue to vote in the likes of Obama and MOST Americans will be MORE than willing to give up their rights for a free brewski. Brave men and women will continue to waste their lives for them.