Is this total madness?

[greg334]

I just read something that I really feel reflects on entire religious organization.

Apparently the country's leading hate spokesman is planning on going to Augusta and protesting Ryan Clark’s funeral.

If you don’t know who Ryan Clark was, he was the second victim murdered at Va tech.

And of course the person who is going to protest the funeral is Rev. Phelps of the West Boro Baptist church.

For some reason, I have not seen anything to indicate that the Baptist church will do anything; it looks like they refuse to tell this church to stop using the word Baptist or condemn their actions. By refusing to do anything and remaining silent, it indicates that the Baptist church is approving Rev. Phelps actions and words.

I am all for free speech and that, but the limit is when you protest funerals of innocent people or military personal as a group. If this is acceptable, maybe we need to eliminate all the hate speech laws that have been put in place in the past 20 years and repeal all the lynching laws.

If my comments offend you, either because you are a follower of the Baptist church or any there reason, so what – do something about it, it reflects on a good church and a good religion. Write to Baptist church you are a member of or write to any of these; the Southern Baptist Convention, National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. National Baptist Convention of America, Inc. American Baptist Churches in the USA or Baptist Bible Fellowship International.

Also support the Patriot Guard Riders to counter this filth. They are not a 501 c3 yet, but will soon.

http://www.patriotguard.org/

If this was a Catholic church doing this, I would be screaming at the church and the Vatican. I already have been writing on a regular basis to them about the support that the US church been giving to the invaders which is against the Church doctrine and how these priest need to be removed.

 

[simon says]

Looks more like Michigan Militia or neo-Nazis to me. I'm sure that law enforcement can do a more than adequate job of defending those at a funeral. Not some wild-eyed biker/adventurers ready for a punch up...

 

[LDB]

>Looks more like Michigan Militia or neo-Nazis to me. I'm
>sure that law enforcement can do a more than adequate job of
>defending those at a funeral. Not some wild-eyed
>biker/adventurers ready for a punch up...

Law enforcement does nothing more than protect the Westboro scum from the beatings they so well deserve. They do nothing to keep those vermin from disrupting the services. The Patriot Guard, on the other hand, disrupts the Westboro scum and keeps them at a great enough distance they can't interfere. They are not at all a bunch of "wild eyed" bikers. They are good citizens doing what should be done.

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[letzrockexpress]

Unfortunately there are many churches or wanna be churches that call themselves Baptists when they are truly not aligned with any organized Baptist organization such as Amercan Baptist Convention, Southern Baptists, etc. I have known a few wacko "Fundamentalists" who really have some twisted beliefs. Sadly these nutjobs and many other lunatics like "God Hates s" protest at these type of gatherings so as to get themselves exposure on t.v. These dirtbags will get theirs eventually.

 

[simon says]

Like I implied, seems some of you are fascinated by vigilantism. Let's just hope it's not you at some time who wonder where your freedom of speech went. There is a famous quote by a Lutheran pastor during the early Nazi era along the lines that he didn't defend the mentally ill, or the socialists, or the Jews, and when the SS came for him there was no one left to defend him...

If so-called "church" group want to try and disrupt a family's funeral to make a point or just to get publicity, they have the right, as despiccable as it seems. But to call for public beatings by a group whose alleged sole purpose is to challenge them, sounds like a lynch mob. Besides, all these groups like Patriot whatever, have another agenda.
Do they support/or participate with those who think by arming themselves and hanging around the border with Mexico they are doing us a service?

 

[simon says]

Just to clarify to any reading this, I Googled "Phelps"
and found this from Wikipedia. I just excerpted some of it to clarify what an ultra-right, hate outfit this is, dressed in "fundamentalist evangelist" garb.
Having said that, this miniuscule group of Kansas based wackos, (surprise) from the same state that is attacking science based education in favor of theology, are just that: a minor cult. All of this so-called religious scum is just flying out of the woodwork these days, since there exists a vacuum for political thought.
They are just providing the government the excuse to ban all sorts of legal protest activity.
The Patriot Guard is not an answer. They are promoting militarism and seem to be pulling in many vets who think they were cheated by the Vietnam experience when coming home. If we didn't have pro big-business wars (then & now) we wouldn't have all these needless deaths and ruined lives in the first place...

 

[letzrockexpress]

Simon,
I am certainly not a vigilante'. Hopefully you were refering to someone else. I do believe in "what goes around comes around", but that doesn't mean violence is required.

 

[Pilgrim]

This is just another group of wackos that have discovered they can best promote their agenda by claiming it's part of their "religion". From the Islamic radicals killing people in the name of Allah to the "Rev." Jackson and his racial racketeering organization, people are claiming it's their religious right to do anything they please. Personally, I still think their civil and religious rights end where those rights of others begin. There is something fundamentally wrong with these loathsome creatures disrupting a private religious ceremony like a funeral, especially if it's not being conducted on public property. Given the failure of local authorities to protect the rights of the grieving families, I think there's definitely a place for organizations like the Riders.

One final thought - it seems their "protests" are most always directed at decent, law-abiding people that are in some way connected to law enforcement or the military. I'd like to see them take their "protest" to the funeral of some thug rap artist that got killed in a drug deal gone bad. It would be interesting to see how the authorities go about protecting their rights to free speech and freedom of religion under that type of circumstance.

 

[letzrockexpress]

>One final thought - it seems their "protests" are most always directed at decent, law-abiding people that are in some way connected to law enforcement or the military. I'd like to see them take their "protest" to the funeral of some thug rap artist that got killed in a drug deal gone bad. It would be interesting to see how the authorities go about protecting their rights to free speech and freedom of religion under that type of circumstance.

I would like to see this too.

 

[simon says]

I agree with most of what your said in the 1st paragraph. I wouldn't mind if a local group of Teamsters or other unorganized group of local folks came out to ward off the trouble-makers. But If I had a funeral to attend of ANYONE, military or other, and someone came in to disrupt it, I wouldn't want another group of engine-revving, flag-waving counter yo-yos to make it worse...

 

[greg334]

Simon,
The group only shows up when they are invited, not like Rev. Phelps.

It seems that it don't matter what others think about the group, the fact is that anyone who will stoop to a level of garbage should not be tolerated and the Baptist church leadership, in which ever form that they may appear in needs to make sure that there they do not tolerate this behavior. It starts with the people of the whole church that they appear to represent.

 

[Broompilot]

Religion, Greg very touchy subject.

This so called Baptist is just hidding behind the screen the same way Jessie J. and others do to promote there own agenda and not the speakings or writings of the Bible. There is another case of a Baptist trouble maker.

Baptist, Protestant, Catholoic makes no difference to me how you choose to to worship as long you choose to is what makes us all Christians. After working at Gibbs I was really treated poorly because of my beliefs I was not in the Christian Click of agreement, they being Baptist and a Chaplin on staff and my being Catholic. Ignorance or not understanding of ones reglion, I accepted there beleifes and learned alot from the teachings. They refused to accept the fact that the Catholic Church was the first Church, and Martin Luther seperated the two. At that time it was the correct thing to do as corruption set in as (sound familiar) (todays world)? I was actually told that I could not be a Christian if I did not agree with what they interpert the Bible as. Baptist, Lutheran, or Catholic I consider us all to be Christians, walking in the light of Jesus is what it really comes down to or did I misinterpet the Bible?

This so called nut, is nothing more than a trouble maker hidding behind what he interpets the Bible twisting the words to work for him, very dangerious individual's. Is he really walking in the shadow of Jesus or just pretending? Pretty Obvious to me.

 

[lanier1]

Simon,

I am trying to figure out why you have a problem with any group that has devoted its time and energy to honoring fallen soldiers and providing some sort of screen against those whose sole purpose is to disrupt and disrespect grieving family and friends. These people have as much right to gather as those that want to do the disrupting. Do you think that it is only the right of the disrupters that should be protected? Do the people not have a right to mourn their loved ones without providing a political platform for some radical ignoramous?

Teamsters? I see now. You have a definite aversion to anything on two wheels. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you hate people on motorcycles.