I understand about the cycle of business and of life. I don't dispute it at all. I don't like to see the almost glee that some express when things go bad for others. I can't help others, I am having to do all I can to help myself. I would help if I were able. That is just how I am. As to attitude. No matter how bad it gets your attitude affects your performance. An example: Assume you want to stay in this business. If you just molder about in a funk over how bad it is you will feel like garbage most of the time and no do much to change things. If you keep positive, you will feel better and think clearer. You will be more likely to then step back, access where the industry is headed and at least try to position yourself and business to take advantage of the new opportuntities that will be coming in the future. They always do. Layoutshooter