Is It Happening Again?

DocRushing

Expert Expediter
To Tom and to the A team:
Congratulations -- sincerely!
Each of you has taken part in a very businesslike discussion -- expressing some disagreement and some agreement.
The commendable part is that you have disagreed without becoming disagreeable -- that is, you have not used slurs, insults, or other unkind or abrasive words.
When we must disagree, by all means let us disagree -- but let us do so in a polite, courteous, businesslike way.
During recent weeks we've all seen several exchanges in which a number of other participants have directed many ill-advised, inappropriate words toward certain people, including each of you.
I commend each of you on your classy behavior.
Again: When we must disagree at all, let us do so without becoming disagreeable.
As always, best wishes to all,
Doc.
 

Jack Jackson

Expert Expediter
>
>Oh oh! Here we go again... Down the path that may cause this
>otherwise useful thread to be deleted. Let's try to keep
>that from happening this time, OK?
>
I'm know some people think I only come on this forum to cause trouble but I really only want the readers to have all the facts so they can consider the real source. I think Dave is a great guy, but he has a bias that affects his posts.

>The FACT is, I can factually verify and defend in good
>conscience EVERY WORD I've ever posted on any trucking site.
>If people find my words to be misleading, it's only because
>they've not read and equally weighed all of them.
>
I can also stand behind every thing I have ever said in my posts and want everyone to get the best information available. Despite all the setbacks I have had in my expedite career I continue to be blessed with good luck and good friends. I wish that for all of you.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
For those of you who know me, they know the answer as to why I pulled equipment from Fedex. I at one time drove for Roberts Express. When Fedex bought them out, they came in with different equipment standards, rates, and requirements. The cost didn't fit the means. I had drivers at Fedex for a short period but I personally didn't drive for them. At that time they had rules regarding dwell time and a host of other rediculous requirements.
I didn't see the need to have someone micro-manage my business.
Looking back on it, I clearly made the right decision.
I hope that provides some idea anyway
Davekc
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Man oh Man,just got back in from a East Coast trip.In reviewing this thread Tom and Weave and Dave have nailed it pretty good. I have been with one carrier for 18 years,have managed
to get through the bad times and enjoyed the good times. I have never overbought on a truck.To me this is the biggest mistake a new person can do and I feel for the person who listened to the advice of a relatively inexpericened individual who has never made a truck payment.
I do not understand the logic of the A Team stating that if you own a expensive vehicle with a lot of capital tied up in it you will survive better then someone who has a inexpensive vehicle. Loads pay the same (as someone pointed out) whether your super D unit cost 200K or 50K. The 50 K individual has the same opportunities for the trips that the 200K individual has. Who saves the most and survives the down cycles? I think thats obvious.
 

Preacher

Expert Expediter
I have spent the more than a year patiently doing my homework on the transportation industry before jumping in. By doing this I have allowed myself the time necessary to track the different aspects of the various niches in the industry over an extended period of time. I looked at going OTR in a class 8 TT. (flatbed, reefer, box, car hauler) First as a company driver, then as an O/O, finally as an independent with my own authority. I looked at local hauling. I've spent great amounts of time investigating the auto hauling and the expedited business. I've priced all the equipment needed in every niche, both new and used, at dealers and on ebay. I have weighed all the different pay scales in each niche. I have looked at national, regional, and local trends with regards to transportation and logistics. And I have tried to look at everything as objectively as possible, interviewing as many drivers and recruiters as possible. I have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly and it has been an interesting and exhaustive experience.

The choices that are available are almost unlimited and are certainly mind boggling. As a first timer, much of my decision came down to available capital, potential earnings, equipment needs, and of course some thought as to what would fit me personally with regards to my likes, dislikes, talents, and abilities.

Many here now know that I have decided to lease on with a hotshot company out of Texas. At this time it is the best fit for me when I take into consideration all of the factors above. I already owned an extremely nice `95 Ford F350 Powerstroke crew cab dually with a skirted flatbed. Best of all, my truck is paid for and I have no payments. I am leasing a 40' gooseneck trailer from a private individual with 1/2 of my payments going toward a reasonable purchase price. They are even letting me use it for two months free for doing some minor repairs to the trailer. Call it luck if you will, but I prefer to say that I was at the right place when opportunity came my way. I hope to pay cash for it before my first payment date arrives. And even though I will be puting aside enough money to maintain my equipment and have a reserve for purchasing newer equipment when mine finally wears-out, I will be in a position to ride the up turns as well as the down turns because, if necessary, I do not have to make a truck payment.

Sure, I had plenty of people try to discourage me along the way, and who tried to get me to jump into new equipment, but I was not easily swayed because I did my homework and have a business plan. I am not so rigid in my thinking as to not be flexible when I needed to be, but I have stayed on course with what I know to be the right decision for me.

After putting out some feelers in the hotshot arena, I had a hotshot company call wanting me to come aboard and lease on with them. I asked a ton of questions and I hit it off with the co-owner. I know how and where they are getting their loads and I believe they are a good company. I will be starting in early January under contract for $1.40 per loaded mile plus fuel surcharges, which vary but are currently around 20 cents a mile. I will get $50 per extra stop, and they have told me that they usually can get backhauls without alot of deadheading. Best of all, they will keep me very busy.

Now, I say all this not to brag, but to show any newbies the processes that I went through in making my decision, and the results of my efforts. I would encourage anyone new to the business to be patient and thourough before making their final decision. Expediting is a great opportunity, and there are many options available within expediting. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row. If you do, your chances at success in expediting will be much higher than if you jumped at the first thing that sounded good. Not all things that sound good, are. But if you have done due dilligence, when opportunity crosses your path you'll know it.
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
A few words of advice to Preacher- Make SURE that nearly 10 year old '95 F350 is up to running heavy miles on the highway under heavy load before you set it out for the task. No kidding, those dually diesel pickups tend to beg for mercy quickly when ran hard.

For the A-Team?
"Im going to give the Open Forum a rest for a bit (at least a few days). I have other writing to keep me busy."

Stop writing and start reading and understanding the words of others on the posts you start. You are a great talker and writer. There is an element of communication I believe you are missing. When you say things to the nature of, "I see where this is going," it says to me you are looking for a way to avoid the exact group of people you were attempting to interact with to begin with.

-Weave-
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
In message number 6 I thanked Tom for showing me something I had overlooked and I meant that. Doc later goes on to make some very good but short and to point, points. Tom's post made me see that what is success to one or me may be very far from what another wants or more importantly needs for success. I never realized that until that post. Tom may not have said that directly but I read that and learned that from his post. A-Team and DaveKC also said things in ways that I also learned from. A-Team measures thier success by what is important to them and talks about it in very uplifting and positive ways. DaveKC makes points and talks about it from experience. I want to say that I by no means have I got into this or any other business with the same path that others have. I also did not get into it with dollar signs as my measure of success. To be completely honest the dollars to me are plenty if my drivers are paid, my bills are paid, there is money for the next periods fuel and I have play money. That is what means success to me in this business from a dollar point. My overall success I measure in my ability to give back and how emotionally happy I am. Since I bought my trucks and am meeting those goals I am giddy with my success. MY SUCCESS. Go back now and look at what I said mine is. Mine is not getting rich or having 20 years in this business. Those are my mountains that I listed. I have been in the plains as well but I did not dwell there. I worked at climbing my mountains and that to me is why I am happy and excited when talking to others. Tom and DaveKC made me see that I can not assume that makes others happy.I also can clearly see that some who have followed my approach or the approach of others, who are also excited and happy with their success, may not be happy. Those folks only went away from discussions hearing what they wanted to hear and took the excitment without all the other needed tools and jumped in. I am guilty of assuming everyone else has the same tools I have, has the same goals I have and only needs what I need. For those assumptions I am deeply sorry. Scattered thinking, lack of direction is cause for failure. I had a part time, hobby type of business for almost 20 years. It always made good money as that part time business. I then opened it up as a full time venture and I quickly had my works writen about in National publications, I was quoted and used as an example of how to tie Radio Advertising and Internet websites and advertising together for success. This was in the field of Art. The bottom line is in two years time I took a business that was a great second income and turned it into a failure. I had tons of experience at what I was doing, I had done it and studied it for 20 years. During that time I was learning and researching this trucking business my thoughts were scatterd and not driving my business. I had enough experience to be very successful but I did not use all the tools. Instaed of thinking about my business properly I bought new equipment when my old equipment was fine and I began to play in a business I never took the time to learn. I new my products and did well with them by word of mouth and as a hobby but when I entered retail and met the big boys, I fell on my face. Many offered me a hug and told me how bad they felt and were surprised when it did not seem to be a big deal to me. You see success to me in that business was only to open a retail business and I did that. I never once had in my plan to be a major retail outlet. So although that business was not great it did succeed in my mind. My goals financial and emotional in this business were very clear and I have met them. As Tom said,"I did reinvent" my goals. I had planned on getting in and going to 10 trucks. Once in I used my tools to determine that was a BAD idea for me. Once I determined what success was and set that plan in place and met it, I am happy and excited because I got to my mountain top. Remember mine was to pay my drivers,pay my bills, have fuel money for the next period and have play money. To me that is RICH and I am there. Do I want more you bet I do. My excitement is from the fact that I have sucess and I have maintained it and that gives me the ability to look further ahead now to a new mountain. I also must say that I did none of that with new trucks and a lot of chrome. That is not even a goal of mine nor does that say success to me. If I ever decide I want a new truck with all the goodies, I will have to set that as my GOAL then use all of my tools to get there and at that time I will most likely smell of excitment and a positive attitude as I work toward that. Right now not in my sights. Some of you will remeber back in the summer I reported being tired of fishing and was looking for things to do myself. That was a plain and I simply was tired of dwelling there and moved on. I have continued to work on a computer based idea and although I have never worked in the computer industry I am having fun trying to sell them an idea. Now I do measure success of that idea as simply getting someone to make it all work for me and I am excited about that to no end. I only hope these folks I am working with don't take my excitement and intened success and try and buy a damn computer company. I guess in all this yapping or tapping what Im saying is I am not a 20 year vet but I am successful and I measure it as I listed above.That, along with being with a company that has been honest and kept every word they ever said to me. They are there when I need a tow, they are they when I need a load and they have never told me one lie. I have made friends there and even one that I have yet to stump with a song lyric. That friend helps me every day with some simple statements, a little clarification and each time I forget my success he points it out and when my excitement takes me in a direction and he knows I don't have the right tools, he points it out.I listen and don't run off half cocked. That is success and that I will never apoligize for nor will I stop telling people they can do it. It may only be 1 in 100 but when they use all the tools it works. Tom helped me see I just need to remeber not everyone has the tools and some who have them don't know how to use them. That being the case I think we all need to be very careful what we say because this site seems to be a life guidence system for some if not many.I will offer no more words on here for that reason. It is clear that no one is happy with the expeirence level of anyone. Too much, too little, wrong ones, big truck, little truck new truck, old truck. People have got to be able to extract usable knowledge from all. You have to know how to use all those levels of experience and not just run away from here with what you wanted to hear.Others hear and do not wish to hear and they go another direction. Diversity and Faith helps in very big ways. Crapping on those who don't have the same agenda or experience is pure shallow. I found myself doing it once but I quickly recalled this is not the way. Learn form everyone it will make you better in some way, maybe only as a person but it will make each and everyone of us better. You guys have all been a great help and I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year.Don't spend time reading a bunch of stuff into this post, I really mean this is a very positive way. Please don't turn around and make it something it is not. I have got to get somwhere now and learn somemore about my faith. I am the Raceman turning left and heading for the checkered. I wonder if Kurt felt success with all the money or winning the Title. I bet the money was secondary.

RaceMan

---Why Hug a tree when you can sit on a Diesle---
 

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Preacher

Expert Expediter
Thanks Weave. My `95 Ford has been meticulously maintained and is ready for just about anything you can throw at it. I have done some hauling with it, pulling loads twice to Florida and once each to Texas and northern Minnesota. The truck performed flawlessly pulling those loads. As a matter of fact, for some strange reason, it really seemed to like being under load. I also go through maintenance with a fine tooth comb every 10,000 miles. I just recently had new injectors put in cylinders 1 & 2. (They are notorious for going bad on the `95 Powerstrokes.) On top of that, the truck really looks good too. I'm always getting compliments from folks when I go anywhere in it. I do not use it for my daily driver, I have a Volvo 940 with 208,000 miles that I drive daily. It looks and drives like new because I take excellent care of it as well. My grandfather taught me many, many moons ago, that if you take care of your equipment and tools, they'll take care of you.
 
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