Internet is 'changing our memory'

EnglishLady

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BBC News


Computers and the internet are changing the nature of our memory, research in the journal Science suggests.

Psychology experiments showed that people presented with difficult questions began to think of computers.

When participants knew that facts would be available on a computer later, they had poor recall of answers but enhanced recall of where they were stored.

The researchers say the internet acts as a "transactive memory" that we depend upon to remember for us.

Lead author Betsy Sparrow of Columbia University said that transactive memory "is an idea that there are external memory sources - really storage places that exist in other people".

"There are people who are experts in certain things and we allow them to be, [to] make them responsible for certain kinds of information," she explained to BBC News.

Co-author of the paper Daniel Wegner, now at Harvard University, first proposed the transactive memory concept in a book chapter titled Cognitive Interdependence in Close Relationships, finding that long-term couples relied on each other to act as one another's memory banks.

"I really think the internet has become a form of this transactive memory, and I wanted to test it," said Dr Sparrow.

Where, not what

The first part of the team's research was to test whether subjects were "primed" to think about computers and the internet when presented with difficult questions. To do that, the team used what is known as a modified Stroop test.

The standard Stroop test measures how long it takes a participant to read a colour word when the word itself is a different colour - for example, the word "green" written in blue.

Reaction times increase when, instead of colour words, participants are asked to read words about topics they may already be thinking about.

In this way the team showed that, after presenting subjects with tough true/false questions, reaction times to internet-related terms were markedly longer, suggesting that when participants did not know the answer, they were already considering the idea of obtaining it using a computer.

A more telling experiment provided a stream of facts to participants, with half told to file them away in a number of "folders" on a computer, and half told that the facts would be erased.

When asked to remember the facts, those who knew the information would not be available later performed significantly better than those who filed the information away.

But those who expected the information would be available were remarkably good at remembering in which folder they had stored the information.

"This suggests that for the things we can find online, we tend keep it online as far as memory is concerned - we keep it externally stored," Dr Sparrow said.

She explained that the propensity of participants to remember the location of the information, rather than the information itself, is a sign that people are not becoming less able to remember things, but simply organising vast amounts of available information in a more accessible way.

"I don't think Google is making us stupid - we're just changing the way that we're remembering things... If you can find stuff online even while you're walking down the street these days, then the skill to have, the thing to remember, is where to go to find the information. It's just like it would be with people - the skill to have is to remember who to go see about [particular topics]."
 

layoutshooter

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So happy to see that I am not the only one who thought that article was nothing more than a sack of horse puckey!!! :p

Who ever wrote that must have been smoking crocane.
 

EnglishLady

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So happy to see that I am not the only one who thought that article was nothing more than a sack of horse puckey!!! :p

Who ever wrote that must have been smoking crocane.



LOL

IMO its about how we do not try to retain information like we did before the internet.
We retain just enough to .... go look it up later


As Dakota said .... " What was this thread about? I forget, wait I'll look it up later"

:D:p
 

layoutshooter

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LOL!! The ONLY funnier than this article is the dependence we are seeing in some who cannot remember what they did last week!

What is scary is how much reality will be lost in the process.


How is Tony?
 

EnglishLady

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LOL!! The ONLY funnier than this article is the dependence we are seeing in some who cannot remember what they did last week!

What is scary is how much reality will be lost in the process.


How is Tony?



Very well, thank you for asking :p

I found this article interesting, as I think even our generation relies heavily on computers and the internet.

As the article stated about partners in a close relationships ...

in Close Relationships, finding that long-term couples relied on each other to act as one another's memory banks.

It seems now the internet is "that partner " too :D
 

layoutshooter

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Very well, thank you for asking :p

I found this article interesting, as I think even our generation relies heavily on computers and the internet.

As the article stated about partners in a close relationships ...

in Close Relationships, finding that long-term couples relied on each other to act as one another's memory banks.

It seems now the internet is "that partner " too :D

Not in OUR house! Jan and I depend on each other to remember our names!! Noting on the internet to help with that, or anything else of REAL importance!

Glad to hear Tony is OK!
 

Turtle

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First, Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, and he never said he did. People think he said that, though, probably because of something they read on the Internet.

IMO its about how we do not try to retain information like we did before the internet.
We retain just enough to .... go look it up later
It's always been that way, more or less.

"Computers and the internet are changing the nature of our memory, research in the journal Science suggests."

Well, not really. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Our memory is not being changed by the Internet at all, rather it's that the Internet is replacing things we used to use for the same purpose, as I try to explain below:


"When participants knew that facts would be available on a computer later, they had poor recall of answers but enhanced recall of where they were stored."

Just like we used to use Libraries, the Encyclopedia Britannica, scribbled notes and a whole host of other methods to separate out important facts that need immediate recall from those which can be put aside and retrieved later.

The phone book is one of the best examples I can think of. Before the Internet, cell phones, speed dial, whatever, if you need to recall a phone number on a regular basis you'll remember it, if you need it occasionally you'll note it somewhere in a special place like a Rolodex or a small notebook, and if you rarely need it you'll just leave it in the big phone book but have enhanced recall to readily know where to look it up.

I used to remember the phone numbers I needed and used frequently. I remembered fewer of those when speed dial came about, and even fewer now with the phone book on the smartphone. Just recently I knew my Comdata card number by heart, because I had to type it in every time I called the 800 number (which I also used to know). Now, in the Droid, I have the 800 number, followed by a "wait-wait", then the card number is automatically sent, "wait" and my PIN number is then automatically sent. Because I no longer need to remember the card number, therefore consequently thus ergo, I don't. There's simply no reason to. If I need it, I can pull out the card and look.

I used to not know my driver's license number. Didn't need to know it because I could just pull it out and look at it. In expediting, I get asked for my DL number so frequently that I've altered my storage and retrieval method for my DL number to that of pure memory, for quicker retrieval.

I use to remember a lot of passwords for different sites, now I use LastPass which remembers them for me, so I no longer even try to remember them. Many are LastPass-generated and I never even look at them. If I need to actually know one, I can quickly look it up in LastPass.

Whether it's a phone number or anything else, if you need to remember it, you will. If you don't need to remember it, but might want that information again later, you'll remember where it's stored for easy retrieval.

Even solely within the scope of computers and the Internet, we do the same thing, where some things you just leave out there on the Internet but know where to look for it again, more important things are bookmarked, and some things you note more intimately, like birth dates and addresses in your computerized address book, and other things you can recall without having to turn the computer on at all, like your wedding anniversary (well, with women, anyway).


..."in Close Relationships, finding that long-term couples relied on each other to act as one another's memory banks."

Whether it's a couple, a caveman clan, a sports team or the Borg, the Transactive Memory theory first put forth by co-author of the paper Daniel Wegnerin his 1985 book, happens all the time. His book was a response to, and an explanation of, "groupthink" or the "group mind". Human memory and Transactive Memory are more or less the same insofar as its Encoding, Storage and Retrieval. With an individual, you already know what your strengths and weakness are, your areas of expertise, so encoding for an individual is easy, and you know very rapidly what you need to store where (either memory or external).

I remember that book, I read it, and used many of its principles and theories in the foodservice industry. Groupthink, Transaction Memory, areas of expertise and experience, if used properly, is an important part of scheduling a crew for a shift, as well as in hiring and training so as to anticipate and orchestrate how Transaction memory is most efficiently used.

The Encoding: With Transactive Memory in groups, to Encode the memory you need to find out what the areas of experience and expertise are from each member of the team, be it a husband and wife, a baseball team, a scientific research team or a Marine platoon.

The Storage: Certain people can do certain things and already know certain things that you don't have to waste time in duplicating, so you let them handle it. Your time can be better spent learning or retaining something they don't know.

The Retrieval: If you find a need for that knowledge, instead of trying to learn it quickly, you just call for the expert on the team.

So really, the Internet isn't changing our memory as much as the Internet is replacing several other methods we used to use for memory storage and retrieval.


The Borg Collective is an amalgamation of bees (drones serving the collective queen) and Transactive Memory, where decisions are made with the hive mind (groupthink), because all of the individuals were assimilated into the collective, which added each individual's biological and technological distinctiveness of each species to the collective. The Borg Collective is analogous to the Internet itself, albeit an extreme one, with instant encoding, storage and retrieval.

Perhaps a better analogy would be between the Borg and Google. :D

Resistance is futile.
 

Dakota

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What I like about the internet and smart phones, is the access to instant knowledge, if I want to know something it is at my fingertips.
I remember as a kid having to look it up in an encyclopedia or go to the library, now I can have an answer in minutes!!!
 

cheri1122

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Maybe it's anecdotal, but I read that Albert Einstein never bothered remembering anything that could be looked up [even his home address!], because he needed the room for things that couldn't be looked up, because no one else had thought of them yet.
Unfortunately, the rest of us use the extra space for other junk, lol.
PS Al Gore said he had a hand in paving the way for the creation of the world wide web, [which was true], and people changed that to "invented the internet" - go figure.:rolleyes:
 
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