International Day of Rage

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Israel is a nation that loves its Palestinian neighbors so much that it's
willing to provide them with air conditioning ... at no charge even ...

 

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More evidence of Israeli duplicitousness and lies:

Israeli DM Approved 3,000 New Settlement Homes in West Bank
Many Plans Well Outside of Established Blocs

Israel’s repeated promises both public and private to slow settlement expansion to facilitate the peace process have never amounted to much, and Israeli NGO Peace Now is revealing another 3,000 settlement construction approvals by Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon earlier this year.

These expansions were above and beyond previously announced expansions in metro Jerusalem, as the Israeli Defense Ministry only covers areas outside of the metro area, which Israel considers annexed and no longer “occupied.”

The biggest concern, however, is how many of these 3,000 homes are outside of the established settlement blocs, and on the wrong side of the “barrier of separation,” meaning Israel is continuing to expand in even the areas they themselves claim are to be part of a future Palestinian state.

Peace Now offered a harsh criticism of Ya’alon with their report, saying he has “become a rubber stamp of the Yesha Council of Settlements,” and has been trying to cover up many of the most controversial expansions.

Israeli DM Approved 3,000 New Settlement Homes in West Bank

BTW - the "annexation" of Jerusalem is a direct and complete violation (on multiple counts actually) of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 which states in part:

8. Resolves that, in view of its association with three world religions, the Jerusalem area, including the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most Eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most Southern, Bethlehem; the most Western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most Northern, Shu'fat, should be accorded special and separate treatment from the rest of Palestine and should be placed under effective United Nations control; Requests the Security Council to take further steps to ensure the demilitarization of Jerusalem at the earliest possible date; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to present to the fourth regular session of the General Assembly detailed proposals for a permanent international regime for the Jerusalem area which will provide for the maximum local autonomy for distinctive groups consistent with the special international status of the Jerusalem area; The Conciliation Commission is authorized to appoint a United Nations representative who shall cooperate with the local authorities with respect to the interim administration of the Jerusalem area;

9. Resolves that, pending agreement on more detailed arrangements among the Governments and authorities concerned, the freest possible access to Jerusalem by road, rail or air should be accorded to all inhabitants of Palestine; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to report immediately to the Security Council, for appropriate action by that organ, any attempt by any party to impede such access;

United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194

 

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More evidence on how Israel - a supposed "nation of laws" - can't follow Israeli, Palestinian, or International Law, when there is dispossession and ethnic cleansing of (Palestinian) Bedouins to be done:

The military’s actions are illegal under Israeli, Palestinian and international law because these 6 water wells had permits from the Palestinian Authority, and operated in the 5% of the Jordan Valley designated after the 1994 Oslo Accords Area A, under full Palestinian civil and military control.

Full article:

The Bedouin struggle for water in the Jordan Valley

Israeli's aren't content with merely stealing the land ... they have to steal the water as well.

 

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And yet another lie of Netanyahu's exposed ... he recently claimed some time ago - after receiving almost immediate international condemnation (including the US) - that the plans for a proposed 20,000 settlement houses were "cancelled".

Apparently however, the invitation for housing bids on new homes was effective until Nov. 28 on the Israeli Ministry of Housing's website, and several Israeli companies proposed bids.

Knesset member: Plans to build 20,000 settlement homes not cancelled

 

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Crickets:

American Jewish establishment stays silent on Israeli plan to forcibly displace Bedouins

 

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BTW, I am rather curious - if Israel is really "all that" in your mind, then why are you here in the US and not there ?

Because i love you so much!

 

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You can repeat it as many times as you would like - but doing so does not change the actuality of the matter. The actual fact of the matter is:Actually those so called FACT are incorrect

Some (Palestinians) are (citizens of Israel), some are not.Yet the vast majority of Israeli Arabs will flat out refused to live under ANY other authority. THE VAST majority of them lives too well under Israeli citizenship. this is include BTW ALL of East Jerusalem residents. the ONLY rezone some East Jerusalem residents do not carry an blue identification is because of the immediate intimidation by the PA in near by Ramall'lah. most of East Jerusalem's Arab resident do not wish to live under the PA jurisdiction. this have been proven over & over again, yet many of them have family members in Ramalla'h. and are forced to say otherwise- to keep their love-ones alive.

Your position is problematic from two standpoints:

1. If one looks to what constitutes an "Arab Israeli" one finds the following:



Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Additionally, one finds the following:



Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IOW: 16.5% percent of the population of Israel is Palestinian.
I, for once do NOT agree with the Wikipedia link you have provided. infact i calim it is flatout wrong.
your claim that 16.5% of the peopolatin of Israel are Palestinians is BASELESS.
i know that, because, unlike what can be found on the Internet, i personally lived among them, and still visit them about once a year or so. so dose MANY of my personal freinds & Family.
i can say with 100% acuracy that the Israeli arabs in large do not concider themselves Palastinians.

Haneen_Zoabi is an elected member of the Israeli Knesset - and she most certainly self-identifies herself as a Palestinian - one which holds Israeli citizenship.Miss Zoabi is a CRIMINAL.and a traitor.M.K Member or not, an elected member of public service should be held to a higher standard. calling for the killing of Israeli [FONT=&quot]soldiers should have revoke her amunity years ago.[/FONT]

So is MK Ahmad_Tibi - who describes himself as a "Palestinian Patriot" ...Mr.Tibi is a traitor, & shell be jailed. going to Ramalla'h and praising Jihad suicide bombers that kills Israeli citizens is not what an elected official should do.
The fact that those 2 are allowed to keep their job speaks volume about the quality of democracy and freedom of speech in Israel.

and in addition to point 1 above:

2. If you say that those in the Occupied Territories are not Israel's citizens, then you as a matter of course, admit that those who the "state" of Israel is exercising control over as an occupying power are being denied the full rights of citizens (of the "state" of Israel) - including the right to vote for and elect those that exercise an extreme amount of control and influence over their lives. I do not consider those an "Occupied Territories" here's why. after the 6 days war, the area of Yehodah ve Shomron was placed under a disputed marshal law. this was all done in agreement with UN mandate. the area was classified as a desputed area, and ever since there have been negotiation to resolve the issues on hand. Israel have NEVER consider it a part of Israel. more so, since the Oslo agreement have been signed, 97% of none Jewish pepulation is under Palastinians Authority jurisdictions, the rest of the peopulations future is yet to be determined, but Israel have NO claim in running their lives. obviously current negotiations, if sucssesful, will resault in many people moving eleswhere. Machmod Abbass already declared that no Jewish person will ever live inside the future Palastinian state.

And don't even bring up voting for the PA ... that's largely a worthless sop for PR purposes to maintain an illusion - in order to defend Israel in terms of world public opinion ... an illusion which is fading fast ...I do not understand the illusion Part, the Oslo agreement was signed 19 years ago. since then 97% of the Palastinians are living under FULL control of the PA. Jst last year an Israeli offer was 'on the table' to allow the remaining 3% to choose if to become Israel's citizends. unfortunatly that plan did not materalized , maybe in near future?
I hunestly think that a 2 state sulotion is coming, and that residents will be allowed to choose their future.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own "facts" ...
It's an Open forum, we are allowed to whatever FACTS we choose to, didn't you read the manual?,
beside, when wikipedia is so out of touch, what is a fact anyway? o'h here's one. since 2001 30,000 Arab Palestinians inter-married with Arab Israeli's{and in some case Israeli Jews}, all because they wanted Israeli citizenship, with all the benefits that comes with it.

I think that you would find that a great many of the Arab (Palestinian) citizens of Israel, would disagree with you.

Predictably, the Israeli reaction to things like Palestinian self-identification by Israeli Arabs will be to continue to attempt to further suppress and criminalize such things and other forms of dissent.What the heck are you talking about?
Arab Israeli's have FULL freedom to do or say whatever they wish, they can live wherever they wish, buy land and have more freedom than almost any Arab in the Arab world. they serve as politicians, Judges and enjoy everything the country have to offer. the only problem I have, is when they take acts AGAINST the country they lives in, (re-read what i posted above- i had no problem with them serving in the Ceneset, the problem i had was when SOME of them risks the lives of Israeli's & Israeli armed forces.).
this is why you are correct in your observation. much of harm to Israel came from the Palestinians,when an Israeli{any Israeli} is actively support terrorisem, well, this is aiding the enemy, and is illegal. sure they are going to be prosecuted.
a good example is the PO. the Bedouin's protesting. they made arrangements to do so, and had the permissions to protests, just like others are doing today.
the problem began when they crossed the lines, blocked traffic, and engaged in brutal attacks of Police officers. this is why some have been arrested, and will be prosecute.




A very good example of this is mentioned in Lia Tarachansky's film "On The Side Of The Road" (the trailer for which is linked in another thread by that name) - where the Knesset acted to try criminalize the act of people publicly mourning the Nakba ...

I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I find the idea of criminalizing public mourning of such an event to be utterly insane and totally freakish. It's absolutely whacko.keep that in mind because the day is not far when American will face the same dilema. as Muslims here celebrate 911, and Japanese celebrate perl harbor .
this is NOT an easy question to ask.


The functional US equivalent would be if Congress outlawed any public mourning of the slaughter of Native Americans at Wounded_Knee.
There is no euivalent. none, beacuse:
Sorry, but Israel doesn't get a special exemption for its current conduct for some event - however tragic and it was utterly tragic - that happened to a portion of the Jewish people roughly 70 years ago. Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. it is the ONLY place Jews have control over their own destiny. i remember reading someweher last year that a jew is 68 times more likely to be killed for been Jew in any other place or time in history then he is for been Jew in Israel {despite many wars or terrors attacks}. the state of Israel play a vital role in keeping Jews alive.
Unlike America Israel is an National democracy.

Israel is largely a police-state at this point - one of it's own making I might add - and it is hurtling down the road to full-blown fascism like an high-speed express train:Israel is NOT a police state, and America will become much more Fascists way before Israel dose. sorry, did you even noticed the 'nuclear option' takeout of our Justice system by Obama?

Israel seeks to silence dissent | Ben White | Comment is free | theguardian.com

The above is a rather interesting read (from several years ago) illustrating to what extent the Israeli TPTB are willing to go target dissenters ... even if that dissent is protected by law.


Sorry, but I don't think so ... but I do think you are functionally pushing lies on here ...
We will have to dissagree about it
Whether that's happening knowingly and intentionally is another matter altogether ... could just be the result of (unknowing) indoctrination into untruths.funny ho sometimes i have a feeling you do not take the time to learn about Israel as well.and spread lies not beacuse you wish to, but because you do not know any better true.


Yes, I do certainly understand it.

Unfortunately, from where I sit, it seems to me that Israel, as that "homeland", is, and will be, more of a cause for an increase in worldwide anti-semitism (by virtue of Israel's own conduct - which will be conflated by some as the conduct of all Jews) and so will actually endanger the Jewish people worldwide.It is a great danger indeed!.
what can you do to help?
in that regards- in MY view, The state of Israel is just one more tool to maximised the possibility's of the Jewish netions staying alive nother few generations, so God can choose to saves us.

Of course, if Israel's motivation and purpose is to gather the entirety of the Jewish people from all over the world (and I believe that that is Israel's motivation and purpose) then a worldwide rise in anti-semitism would serve that purpose. Interesting concept.
we do not agree.


If it means condoning the "state" of Israel as it came into being and as it currently exists, then: No, I do not.To each his own.


No ... and no such "right to exist" exists, or is acknowledged, as a matter of international law:we do not agree on this one also. in my view Inetnational law definitely allow Israel's right to exists as the homeland for the Jewish peoples.
here's a link to just one great book:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=9oi&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=fflb&biw=1366&bih=664&noj=1&tbm=shop&q=Book+israel%27s+right+to+exists&spell=1&sa=X&ei=42ejUreSKYr4kQf52oHQCw&sqi=2&ved=0CF0QBSgA#spd=9015605898779925708
there's many.

The idea of a "right to exist" can largely be traced to back to an essay penned by the nineteenth century French philosopher Ernest Renan.

Right to exist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
&It can be tracked down to the Quran :
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=9oi&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=fflb&biw=1366&bih=664&noj=1&tbm=shop&q=Book+israel%27s+right+to+exists&spell=1&sa=X&ei=42ejUreSKYr4kQf52oHQCw&sqi=2&ved=0CF0QBSgA#spd=3229294180487912563
It is earlier mentioned by our own Tom Paine:


The key word in that passage is representative ...


IOW: the legitimacy ultimately rests with those who live in the area where the nation is to exist, and the right's existence is subject to consent of those who live or lived there. Filtering the population through ethnic cleansing is a disqualifier in my book.

Further, any possible claim that Israel might have had to that supposed "right to exist", was forfeit as a consequence of the violent, illegal actions of the founders of the "state" of Israel, and are further solidified by the subsequent actions of the "state of Israel" itself. The only way for Israel to obtain the "right to exist" is for the Palestinians to grant it.

Let me repeat that for you - just so there is no misunderstanding:

The only way for Israel to obtain the "right to exist" is for the Palestinians to grant it:
The Palestinains came to the playing table WAY after{if at all} the State of Israel was granted its existence. Israel is NOT just another democratic nation, it is a dot in a long line of Jewish homeland in the hollyland. even its democratic laws are dated back to the "Sanhedrin" ara {2,500 years ago}


Given the above, you might want to give your fellow countrymen a headsup to be on their best behavior, lest they, by their own actions and conduct, deprive themselves of the "right to exist" ... for the remainder of eternity."Noam Chomsky" is an extremely talented guy that speaks very well. I do NOT agree with most he have to say. if you wish to denounced Israel's right to exists look no further. he is one of Israel's greatets critics. but he failed the history test, he only look for Israels gratifications by current standards. i do not. i think that israel's right to exists is a GOD given right.


I acknowledge the right of people to self-determination.

What I don't allow them is the right to ethnically cleanse and dispossess a people - the indigenous inhabitants of a land - in order to construct a "state" with demographics to their liking.

In case you have forgotten, the latter (above) is exactly what the Nazi's attempted to do.

That is a fact that you and some of your Israeli brethren seem to have a very hard time grasping for some reason. See:
This is NOT what the Natzi's did.
read the history books. Israel's did not forced habitant elsewhere, war after war after war for the last 2 century's, the arab attacked Jews in their homeland. no ethnic cleansing going on, the none Jewish people in Israel are treated very well, for the most parts.
Is Israel is a perfect society ? afcurse not. ther's lot to be improved.
Stockholm syndrome ... or something ...since i do not agree on the Natzi analogy, then obviosly this dose not apply.


What I hope for, is for the land that you call Israel and others call Palestine and still others call the Holy Land, to become a nation comprised of those who wish to live there - including all dispossessed, ethnically-cleansed Palestinians and their descendants (right of return)
you call it the right to return, i call it the right to eliminate.


What it might be called or named is open to discussion, and although I'm not a big fan of hyphenated names, Israel-Palestine or Palestine-Israel might just work.No 2 states solutions for you?

A nation which respects and upholds the rights of all it's people - no matter what their race, ethnicity, or religion. Such a thing would truly be "a light unto the nations of the world" ..."Throughout history only israel protected the rights of ALL Peoples & faiths in Jesrusalem"

Israel is not currently that state - by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it is actually the antithesis of it ... and is moving further away from the ideal with each passing day ...



I think that history - and the present - tells us that having religion be a part of the state can be very problematic.

But it would be up to all citizens of a state which was built or formed as I have outlined above. That would necessarily include consulting all the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed - aka the Palestinians (and their descendants) - who wish to return.

So you do not{give Israel the right to not seperate religion from state} just one more prime example how "the right to return" is, in fact "the right to destroy"
The only reminder you should really need is to just look across the Green Line ... into the Occupied Territories at the Bantustans that you and your fellow countrymen have created and are continuing to create ...which is why this is NOT a part of the state os Israel, and is in fact a disputed area. those peoples definitely have the right for freedom. this is why negotiating is so important. but since you, nor them allow Israels right to exists as the homeland for the Jewish peoples, that Israels is FORCED to inshore it's security

When you can truly empathize enough with what you find there, and ensure that their rights are respected as you expect your rights to be, the need for such reminders may well cease ... I actualy just recently finished reading about Jewsh ruins in the northern "Shomron" area. documented 3,200 historic sites. respectively i'll give them every right they wish, so long as they allow Israel's right to be the homeland for the Jewish Peoples. which they{& aperantly you} do not.

"Never again" isn't only for the "Chosen" ... it's for everyone ...

in modern Antisemitisem it called Natzi'setion of Israel. well played by Israel's haters.
Can't be further then the truth.
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Because i love you so much!

I suppose expecting a reply that contained some candor would have been asking too much ...

Your evasive and non-responsive answer is noted however.

 

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No it's not, it's the need some American have to denay Israel the right to self governed.

No, it's the need to expose the truth ... and fight against the unjust, discriminatory conduct that my tax dollars are subsidizing.

As I stated previously: I have absolutely no problem with acknowledging any group of peoples' right to self-determination ... what I don't grant anyone however is the right ethnically cleanse and dispossess an indigenous population from its land and then set up a so-called "democracy".

That is a lie straight from the get-go - because it contains inherent within it the denial of the right of people that were there to participate in that democracy.

Please DO provide an alternate solution, so far we havne't seen ANY.

The alternative solution would be to allow these folks to exist on their land - where they have existed for generations - not make it utterly impossible for them to obtain building permits (which Jewish Israelis may obtain relatively easily), not deny them basic services (electric, water, etc,) and not forcibly displace them and then turn right around and build housing on the same land which is for Jewish Israelis only.

Essentially what is occurring is the CONCENTRATION and GHETTO-IZATION of Bedouins ...

In light of history, the Israelis are absolutely the last people that should be doing this.

O'h the good O'l R word.

It is what it is ... no amount of lipstick on a pig makes the pig anything but a pig.

Here is a short look into discrimination as it appeared in the issue on hand. Every, but EVERY Israeli citizen must comply with stricken expensive building codes.

One might say that making "expensive building codes" in the first place might be a way of institutionalizing racial discrimination

Discrimination is when a large group of citizen, Bedouin’s for example, for decades now, do not comply with building laws, build whenever they wish, expand into area’s that do not belong to them, and then cry out loud when the law is been enforced. Now that’s racism & Anti-Semitism: when you allow Bedouin to build and deny same allowance from the rest of the country population, like let’s say Jews, Christians or Arab. O’h one more thing, the ONLY other population sector that enjoy such luck of enforcement of the law, when it comes to buildings code, are the Arab citizens. Strangely enough- those are the ones suddenly united with the Bedouins

Uh-huh - well I don't accept your characterization above as being accurate of what is actually occuring:

A tale of two West Bank building permit requests


A 10-family Jewish outpost gets approval for 94 housing units and a commercial zone. The 40 Arab families of Susya get the boot, and a lecture.

By Chaim Levinson

The Jewish settlement of Givat Salit, located in the Jordan Valley, had no permits for its buildings until last week, when the Civil Administration approved a master plan that would retroactively legalize it and facilitate the construction of 100 new homes. The small Palestinian village of Susya, located next to the southern Hebron Hills settlement of the same name, had no permits for its buildings either. And that’s still the case, since last month the Civil Administration rejected Susya residents’ request for approval of a master plan that would have made their homes legal.

The difference is that the government wants to promote Givat Salit, where just 10 families live so far. Though the planning agencies are theoretically independent, they fall in line behind this political decision. In the southern Hebron Hills, in contrast, government policy is to force the Palestinians back to Yatta and prevent them from spreading out. And here, too, the planning agencies fall in line.

Full article:

A tale of two West Bank building permit requests

It's a double standard - depending on whether one is Jewish or not.

And that's not even in Israel proper - it's in a "foreign" land that they are occupying and exercising control over - effectively denying the inhabitants their rights.

It's essentially the same thing for (Palestinian) Bedouin citizens of Israel and if you don't know that then you have either failed to inform yourself, or are just guilty of practicing willful ignorance and selective blindness.

It's simply institutionalized, discriminatory racism.

 

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Again - more exercising of control by Israel in a "foreign land" and the denial of the rights of the inhabitants:

Israeli forces issue stop-work orders to Palestinian farmers in Jenin

JENIN (Ma‘an) 27 — Israeli forces handed several Palestinians orders to stop their construction of an agricultural building near Tubas, a farmer told Ma‘an Wednesday. Nawaf Hussein said that Israeli forces entered Bardala village Monday and issued him and five other farmers orders to stop building, claiming they lacked a permit.

Permit applications – rarely approved by Israeli authorities – are expensive and complicated, Hussein said.

He added that in order to apply for a construction permit, the building is required to be made of bricks. The farmers were building a structure of tin and nylon, Hussein said. Figures from the Israeli NGO Bimkom show that around 95 percent of applications for building permits are rejected in Area C.

Original article:

Israeli forces issue stop-work orders to Palestinian farmers in Jenin

A 95% percent rejection rate ?

That just don't pass the sniff test buddy ...

 

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More land theft in an occupied "foreign" land and more Israeli lies:

IOF confiscates 1500 dunums of land south of Nablus

NABLUS (PIC) 28 Nov — Israeli Occupation Authorities have declared its intention to confiscate about 1500 acres of Palestinian agricultural lands in 'Aqraba village southeast of Nablus on Thursday. Palestinian farmers were surprised this morning by Israeli notifications informing them of the Israeli decision to confiscate nearly 1,500 acres of their lands located west of Nablus, a Palestinian activist against settlement confirmed.

The source pointed out that the Israeli occupation authority claimed earlier that only 5 dunums would be confiscated, however it plans to confiscate 1500 dunums …

Meanwhile, eyewitnesses confirmed that Israeli bulldozers began to raze Palestinian agricultural lands in order to create a new settlement road in ‘Aqraba town east of Nablus to link between Itamar and Jeanette [Ginnot Shomeron?] settlements. Israeli settlers have participated in razing the lands, the sources pointed out, stressing that the area was subjected recently to repeated Israeli attacks.

Original article:

IOF confiscates 1500 dunums south of Nablus

 

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It is very interesting indeed, Israel have a large Governmental Office of management called {simple translation-I did not look it up} the office of secretary for settlement in the Negeve and the Galilie. It is a well-founded part of the Israeli Gov. aimed @ providing solution for settlement of it’s citizens on remote parts of the country. Israel have a much danced Metro Area’s that are been built to capacity, while large parts of the country are inhabited, a need to provide new locations and instruction is what this office is all about. It is under the umbrella of this office that the laws have been passed. The Israeli gov. nowadays invests GREATLY in developments on those parts of the country. This is only one rezone why trespassers that have been allowed to break the law for decades now, suddenly face an enforcement of the law. I hope it answer some of your concerns when it comes to my statement that a solution must be presented & the fact that a problem dose exists

It doesn't answer any of my concerns - because I understand that it is simply hasbara (propaganda) intended to cast Israel in a good light - all while denying and diverting attention the particular, specific facts of what is actually occurring:

The dispossession and eviction of a (non-Jewish) people from their land so that another people (Jewish) can inhabit it ...

 

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... dissagreement all around.

Of course you disagree - because you know quite well that the very idea that some of your fellow countrymen would espouse the idea of expulsion of any (indigenous) Israeli citizen who is not Jewish is utterly repugnant to most folks in the civilized world outside of Israel ...

However, this view is espoused by some very, very prominent and well-known Israeli politicians - Avigdor Leiberman just for starters:

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You can try and spin it, whitewash it, or deny it ... but the evidence is out there ... all one has to do is look for it ...
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And not only does it include Leiberman who is pretty far right of center, it also apparently includes Tzipi Livni - who is considered to be a relatively moderate politician (in terms of Israeli politics) - at least compared to the more extreme right-wingers like Leiberman:

Book bannings in a (so-called) liberal democracy ?

Good luck trying to sell that idea anywhere outside of the "Disneyland of the Middle East" ...

 

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And not only does it include these lesser Israeli politicians, it, in fact, includes the highest elected (non-ceremonial) official in your country - Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu:

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The so-called "peace process" is a complete lie and a total sham on Israel's part - with only one true purpose - provide political cover for Israel in terms of world opinion to continue it's activities of ethnic cleansing and dispossession of the indigenous peoples from their land.

Here's a newsflash for ya: While the illegal, racist activities are still ongoing on Israel's part, Israel is losing the battle for hearts and minds in terms of world public opinion. It is increasingly isolated - and that will not change until Israel reforms itself and stops what it is doing.

If you want to understand what Israel's ultimate fate will be if it fails to reform itself, you have to look no further than what eventually happened to the racist, apartheid state of South Africa.​

 

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it is agreed by must parties,

If that is so, then provide some verifiable, documentary evidence that this is so ... surely there must be a legal document to enshrine such an agreement ... rather than just your assertion that it is so ...

Some news coverage reporting this "breakthrough" agreement by "most parties" ?

Preferably, any of it would be in English ...

Unless of course if what you really mean by "most parties" is that most of the Israel public (which is predominantly Jewish) agrees with it ...

If that's the case, then I salute you for some spin that really takes fundamental dishonesty to new heights.

So where's the link that we can all look at ?

please exlude the offensive criminals that took advantage of luck of enforcement for past few decades.

Oh yes, yes ... find any pretext you can to cleanse them all ...

Afterall, they are only the untermenschen ... so what need have they of rights and justice ?

party's over.

Not quite yet ... but it soon will be, if your countrymen fail to reform themselves:

Canadian Protestant church launches West Bank settlement boycott | JPost | Israel News

American Studies Association endorses academic boycott of Israel

West Bank settlement firms not invited to Dutch-Israeli cooperation forum

'Turkey's ban on Israeli flights could bring down El Al' | The Times of Israel

France calls for 'full and complete halt to settlement': Hollande

Jews who protest settlements are 'mutants' who should have been aborted, says ZOA leader

 

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The final segment of "Reality Asserts Itself" - which covers what actually constitutes real anti-semitism - as opposed to the distortion and utter perversion of the whole concept of "anti-semitism" for ethnocratic political ends - primarily the silencing of dissent and restraining any criticism of Israel's policies and conduct, as well as Israel's end game with respect to the Occupied Territories (conquest and assimilation - at least of the land, if not the indigenous people), and what the likely eventual outcome will be (1 state, 1 person, 1 vote) despite Israel's best efforts to prevent it from happening:

 

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While i will NOT use the words you just used, i think that you will find it comporting to some degree to know that i do not agree with the Israeli gov. allwoing it's citizens to build their homes in villages that have been destroyed by wars.

I don't find it particularly comforting at all - given the fact that there is much greater injustice still existing. What I would find comforting is if you demanded that the Israeli government provided the right of return to those who were illegally ethnically cleansed, dispossessed/robbed of their homes and driven from their property and lands (as well as their descendants) - since those things were (and are) a violation of international law.

we will not agree, however on allowing none resident, none citizens the right to eliminate the state of Israel as the only homeland for the jewish peoples.

As I have pointed out earlier: Israel is not the only "homeland" for the Jewish people ... to say that it is, is I believe, an untruth.

Jews exist and make their homes throughout the world - as do many other peoples and religions - and that is as it should be, if that is what they choose to do.

I certainly wouldn't say that the entire world is free of anti-semitism - no more than I would say the world is free of Islamophobia or hatred of blacks ... hatred exists in many places along racial, ethnic, or sectarian lines.

But I can say that by my observation - at least here in the US - there is relatively little of it (anti-semitism) - despite efforts by Abe Foxman and those in the "anti-semitism industry" to assert otherwise - and most people of the Jewish faith/ethnicity/whatever feel pretty comfortable here - a fact evidenced by the US Jewish population being nearly as large as the "state" of Israel itself, and the acceptance and widespread success of the Jewish people in our society ...

Since you have raised the issue of anti-semitism, I think it worthy of additional discussion - and I will address it in one or more of my subsequent posts.

As for the non-resident, non-citizens - the founders of Israel created that problem - so it's up to those who follow to rectify the problem and make it right, in terms of providing justice for those individuals - which includes the right of return for the specific individuals originally affected, and their descendants - if they want to come back, compensation if they don't ...

 

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The UN Human rights council is an anti-Zionist orgenization that represents the worst of Israel's haters.

I hardly think so - it is a formal UN body which is charged with addressing human rights in member states.

It is not a static body, but has "classes" of representatives, which are elected - by the full UN General Assembly - from member nations on a rotating basis. The term of each class is for 3 years, and no nation may serve more than two consecutive terms.

There are a total of 47 seats on the UNHRC. Further:

The seats are distributed among the UN's regional groups as follows: 13 for Africa, 13 for Asia, six for Eastern Europe, eight for Latin America and the Caribbean (GRULAC), and seven for the Western European and Others Group (WEOG).


The General Assembly can suspend the rights and privileges of any Council member that it decides has persistently committed gross and systematic violations of human rights during its term of membership. The suspension process requires a two-thirds majority vote by the General Assembly.

The "classes" which are currently sitting are as follows:

2013 Group, (the year when their terms expire):
African States: Angola*, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Mauritania and Uganda*.
Asian States: Malaysia, Maldives*, Qatar and Thailand*.
Eastern European States: Poland* and Republic of Moldova* .
Latin American & Caribbean States: Ecuador*, Guatemala* and Peru*.
Western European & Other States: Spain* and Switzerland*.


2014 Group (the year when their terms expire):
African States: Benin*, Botswana*, Burkina Faso* and Congo*.
Asian States: India*, Indonesia, Kuwait and Philippine*.
Eastern European States: Czech Republic* and Romania*.
Latin American & Caribbean States: Chile*, Costa Rica* and Peru*.
Western European & Other States: Austria* and Italy*.


2015 Group (the year when their terms expire)
African States: Côte d'Ivoire*, Ethiopia*, Gabon*, Sierra Leone*, Kenya*
Asian States: Japan*, Kazakhstan*, Pakistan, Republic of Korea*, United Arab Emirates
Eastern European States: Estonia*, Montenegro*
Latin American & Caribbean States: Argentina*, Brazil*, Venezuela*
Western European & Other States: Germany*, Ireland*, United States*

it have been capture by country's that deny Israel's the right to exists.

Please point out to me - and anyone else reading here - which of the above countries have denied Israel's right to exist - and please point us to any documented evidence that they have done so.

Just to help you along: Every country named above which has a star (*) next to it's name has diplomatic relations with Israel - which seemingly might imply that they have accepted and acknowledged that Israel, does in fact, exist.

All countries marked in red above do not have diplomatic relations with Israel. It is notable that most (all ?) of them are Muslim nations. One can only wonder to what degree Israel's failure to stop their illegal actions against the Palestinians might play into that.

BTW: the score is 38 nations which recognize Israel versus 9 which don't.

Please explain to us all how these 9 nations "captured" the UNHCR - against the will of the 38 others.

It's have nothing to do with Human rights. It's have a long list of conclusions deemed for the destructions of Israel.

Sounds completely and utterly paranoid to me.

Perhaps we should examine those conclusions or findings in detail, and see exactly what they contain ?

please do excuse me when i puke on most everything they ever published in regard to Israel.

Sure, no problem ...

Thanks you for your interpetations of the word Justice,

You betcha !

while still denying Israel it's just rights.

Please explain to me how a nation - founded through terrorism, dispossession, and ethnic cleansing (injustices all) against the indigenous inhabitants of the land it occupies - acquires "just rights" ?

& thanks, for the name calling.

Pardon me ?

Did I call you a name ?

I seem to be unable to find it ...

Quote please ?

Or at least which post it is in this thread (post number)

 

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I think I may have missed the following (it wasn't in red)

& i would kindly ask you to limit your answers to points well made, - will simply won't make the time to answer such a long lists.

Your call entirely as to what you want to answer or comment on.

I reserve the same option in terms of responding to what you post here.

i do not know what Hasbara is. never took a part of it, nor learned about it.

It is officially defined as "public diplomacy" on behalf of Israel (singing Israel's good praises for the "uninformed")

Some of us, with a more jaded view, refer to it as propaganda ...

this is not what we do here.

Well, it certainly isn't what I do ... I would however say that it is exactly what you, do in terms of what happens when the matter of Israel comes up in a discussion.