Interesting

[layoutshooter]

I have been looking a rifle manufacturers today, seeing was is available, if anything. I am seeing a VERY interesting trend. More and more are posting that they will not sell to any municipality, state or government that is engaged in the suppression of the 2nd amendment and the People's right to own and carry firearms.

So far I have seen on several "high end" custom build sites. I wonder if this is going to grow and we will see the high volume builders follow suit?

I believe this is a VERY good trend, a form of bloodless "in your ear with a can of beer" other wise known as the "Flip off"!

With any luck this type of thing will start to show up in the ranks of the People and large numbers start to tell government where to "stick it".

One Example below, there are MANY like it.

Quality Arms. Specializing in AR-15s » Quality Arms Idaho AR 15 Modification and Sales

 

[Slo-Ride]

Hope to see the list keep growing. And for States/city's that want to continue this fight, I hope Manufactures will pull out and set up shop somewhere else if at all possible for them to do that.
I can see some dealers caving in if they see a lost of revenue but hopefully other buyers will step in and support the ones that have taken this stand.

Not sure but do some LEO supply their own weapons and get reimbursed from the local Gov where they work? That maybe one way some of these locals work around it??? (Meaning the Mayor sends in Chief of police and he orders as a private citizen.)

 

[aquitted]

It says they ship the firearm to your local FFL. whats an FFL and why won't they ship it directly to me?

 

[EASYTRADER]

FFL = Federal Firearms License. To sell or repair or build firearms for commercial purposes requires a license issued by the ATF.

When I quit expediting next year, I'm going to open a gunsmith shop and I will be getting a FFL for manurfacturing.

My dad used to have a gunshop and back then you had to fill out a form saying that you weren't crazy or a felon or plotting to overthrow the government. We kept those forms in the store. Everyonce in a while ATF agents would come through and leaf through our files, looking to see if bad guy had bought a gun. It was a federal felony to falsify the form. They got excited and took a couple of forms occasionally, but mostly they just drank the sodas my dad gave them and flipped through the forms.

I'm not sure how its done today. This was 20 years ago.

I won't be selling or repairing firearms for any government that restricts the 2nd amendment either.

 

[EASYTRADER]

It depends on the department. Some issue some reimburse. My Pops used to be a cop and his department issued 38 revolvers. But he carried a .357 and a lot of his buddies carried 1911 .45s.

 

[LDB]

I believe there are over 100 companies, guns, ammo etc., already participating in the boycott with at least one or two working on options and plans to move out of the state of Colorado. Those companies make up the A list of who to do business with.

 

[Turtle]

Just like criminals, cops won't have a problem getting guns, either.

 

[layoutshooter]

It says they ship the firearm to your local FFL. whats an FFL and why won't they ship it directly to me?

They don't ship to you because the Federal Government assumes that you are either a criminal or making a purchase for a criminal. That started with the passage of the 1968 Gun control act, that was the answer to stopping gun crime. In that SAME act they took away the power, from congress, and gave the power to what was then that ATF, to be allowed to control imports of firearms based on what ever criteria that they wanted. In other words, taking power AWAY from the People. It was the Demoncrats that pushed that pile of manure through as well.

 

[davekc]

Just like criminals, cops won't have a problem getting guns, either.

And there lies that little problem. Cut government off from purchasing firearms and guess what, they will open their own with your tax dollars. And we know how well the government can run a business.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Strangly enough, the Import ban has actually been positive for the US gun culture. Because of the ban most small arms have to be manurfactured in the US. Making small bussiness jobs and independant gunsmith shops viable.

It also helps Patriots, because if cheap chinese imports wreck the US gun industry, then as a country we will have no small manurfacture to arm the people in the event it is neccesary.

One of the reasons that the 2nd Revolution failed was lack of arms manurfactre in the South, they were dependant on imports and captured goods.

So the import ban has raised the price of many guns, but gun prices are so low compared to their utility that it hasn't mattered much, except to allow small gun bussinesses to prosper.

I used to be a total free marketeer, but not so much anymore. I see the founding fathers were very wise, to force the federal governemnt to raise money through protecive tarriffs. I tend to think we should drop most of this "free Trade" crap dump the income tax and bring back a flat import tariff.

 

[layoutshooter]

Generally speaking firearms imports have little impact on US manufacturing. What they are talking about banning is ANY semi-auto, or pump, shotgun that has, or could have, a "pistol grip". That is EVERY semi-auto or pump made.

SO even high end shotguns that are seldom used in crimes will be banned. Names like, Browning, Benelli, Beretta, Franchi, and several others. Most of those make a shotgun that handles FAR different than US built shotguns do. Those who buy them, like my self, seldom buy US made shotguns since the stocks are "thicker" at the wrist and tend not to "feel right" in smaller hands. US shotguns are heavier, tend to have longer barrel and over all length and generally speaking are of lower quality.

Remington and Mossberg, are not making shotguns, generally speaking in that size, class or quality. Their main production emphasis is mass production of low to mid range shotguns aimed at the general population.

IF either start to make a shotgun of the same quality and designs, I would look at them. So far they have not done so.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Not sure what u mean there.

When my dad was a cop he carried a "German" made PPK as a backup weapon. Now if you buy a PPK they are made in the US under license. 92fs I believe are US made as well. I think CZS are too.

I may be working under old information though its been 20 years since I was a "gun professional".

Having said that, import bans do affect "choice" but only on items there isn't enough demand to justify local production.

Generally speaking though "FreeTrade" has been a disaster in this country for all but "giant public" companies. The tarrif rules are written to benefit them. Now since they employ less than 15% of the population the rest of US generally get screwed by low tarriffs and our enemy the chinese benefit

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[EASYTRADER]

What about Browning?


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[layoutshooter]

Browning has alway been made overseas. They started in Belgium, then Japan. I believe that some production has been moved back to Belgium.

I will buy a US built shotgun when they make one that fits my body and suits my needs. The idea that a regulatory agency can ban imports, without reason, is absurd.

The VAST majority of the imported shotguns are high end, or higher, and not the choice of criminal or Obama Bums, unless stolen.

There is plenty demand for higher end, better built, shotguns. All the Italian companies have NO problem selling them here, even with the cost. They are better made, in many cases they handle better and tend to fit a wider ranges of people than domestic shotguns.

Italian rifles don't do very well here but Japanese rifles can compete on a limited basis.

 

[moose]

. Their main production emphasis is mass production of low to mid range shotguns aimed at the general population.

what a wrong choice of wording...

 

[zorry]

Moose,send the quote to Fox.

 

[layoutshooter]

what a wrong choice of wording...

Yeah, I should have used targeted.

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Thats ok they take the guns but we got the Japan and China they perfect the lazer that being said we dont need no guns we will have lazers. OOPS Shouldnt have said nothing now they will try to ban them too before their perfected. Shh dont tell any Politicicans I guess to late as all the suites moniter this forem and they will nark. should I hit the delete, Na let em sweat awhile.