Insurance Option

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It is all about risk as a group. To weed the good from the bad, they are going to use credit scores, driving history and what ever else to determine that risk.
No different than buying a house that hasn't flooded but is in a flood zone.
Using credit scores to determine insurance rates is ridiculous. They're simply not related to one another using any method other than junk science, illusory corollary.

A study by the Casualty Actuarial Society shows that people with prior driving violations or accidents and good credit have much better loss ratios than people with clean driving records and bad credit. And another study says there is a "significant relationship" between credit scores and filed insurance claims. And another study, study after study, all show the same thing, but the problem is, there has really been no independent study of the issue. All the studies and the numbers come from insurers or the vendors of the scores. Its hard to trust them because all of these companies have a vested interest in seeing (insurance scoring) continue. Follow the money. Always follow the money.

But even if there is a real, actual correlation, the insurance companies can't explain why that is. Just because you can correlate something doesn't mean you should use that as the basis to set rates or determine if a policy will be issued. What about the risk of drivers who watch Wife Swap and Honey Boo Boo versus those who watch NCIS? Fox News versus MSNBC? Give me your Facebook password so I can decide if you're a bad risk or not.

Age, how long you've been licensed, gender, where you live, how you use your car (how many miles you drive to work or annual mileage), the car's cost, and your driving record used to be the seven things that determined rates. Now, over the past decade or so, coincidentally as the economy has tanked, most auto insurance companies have introduced "income proxies" such as credit score, your highest level of education completed, and your occupation to determine whether you are eligible to receive the lowest rates. And it's all voodoo, arbitrary, and discriminatory. Except that it also plays right in to the idea of you being a good little citizen, paying your credit card bills on time, taking advantage of student loans to attain higher education, and having a good, high paying job so that you can continue to play the all-important role of good citizen with the financial and insurance industries, as they are tightly intertwined in an unholy tapestry. It's positive and negative reinforcement for being a good or bad citizen. Good kitty gets you catnip, bad kitty gets you sprayed with a bottle of water. But none of it has anything to do with your risk behind the wheel.

You know why they are doing it? In the eyes of your insurer, if you've missed a few payments to your credit card company or have written a lot of bad checks (that wound up in collection), chances are you'll do the same thing to them. So, they charge you more money to protect themselves, the insurer taking out an insurance policy that they'll get paid for the insurance plan they're selling you, and they want you to pay the premiums for their policy, too. They aren't nearly as worried about claims risk... they want their money.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Insurance is paid in advance I they don't get paid you're not covered so why do they worry it seems simple but they can complicate a bowl of oatmeal If given the, chance like government can do to a glass of tap water!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Sure, if you don't pay, they just cancel your coverage. But they're not worried about coverage, or claims. They want their money. They want your money. There enough loopholes and gotcha provisions in policy coverage that they can often keep it, too. What they're most concerned with is whether or not you can and will pay it regularly up front, so they can get it in the first place, and then they'll worry about claims later. Insurance isn't a retail thing where you buy it and the transaction is over and done with. Insurance is a method for ensuring a steady inflow of cash. It's the inflow of cash that's the most important.
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
One of the biggest problems that Progressive is having is deer hits. One deer hit can wipe out almost a years worth of premiums from one driver. Deer hits are becoming a common occurance due to over-population. There is just so much that can go wrong on the road. Plus expediters are always in a hurry to get places which can present an additional risk exposure to insurance companies. Then you have the bad apples that file bogus claims and incorrect radius limits. The list goes on and on, but what turtle said about a continuous stream of income is also true.
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
That was my thought. Especially when someone called and they won't insure outside of that local area.

I looked into this.
It involves the Peoples Republic of New York State regulations over governing an honest business. I guess its also easier to specialize in a home state rather than multistates. Im not a tax or insurance pro so thats why I call them for service.
Its the same coverages as what I had with progresive, its just more closely matches type of work I do. Even though Im covered in the US and Cananda its rated on the local / regional work that is 95% of my opperation. I will agree Insurance rates can be insane but if they have your back, provide quick and hasle free service and reduce the chance of being sued then as the saying goes you get what you pay for.
Bob Wolf.
 
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zorry

Veteran Expediter
Bob, I'd have another agent, or maybe a lawyer review your policy.
I might even ask Shelly if she'd review it. She may point out important deficiencies.
You can then use the info as you see fit.
If you're good, great.
If you are under-insured it's better to find out now.
 
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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Good advice. Better to have another set of eyes look at it and play devils advocate then to fight a problem later.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Not sure what you mean, Ken...group name for on here in the General Exp Forums? Or start our own "carrier" message board where we just talk only to each other, like kids whispering in the dark? Heh. Or start our own group name for out in the real world, like "The Right Way Guys" and put that on our vans?

I was thinking "The He-man Woman Haters Club."
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Good advice. Better to have another set of eyes look at it and play devils advocate then to fight a problem later.

Doesn't it have a lot to do with luck? I mean when you first started out with one truck a major lawsuit could have destroyed you much in the same way that a major lawsuit would destroy a lot of the 1 man operations. But as you grow bigger and gain more cash flow, you can hire good lawyers on retainer, set money aside for lawsuits, or even do what Panther does and become self-insured up to the first million dollars. I mean, even with the best insurance policy in the world, a small guy in the bizz isn't really going to be able to survive a legal battle. Am I wrong here?
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Sounds like a discussion that could fill an evening of down time.
What I do know for sure.
You'd have a much better chance of survival with the proper insurance.
 
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