Independent Reviews Of CDL Training Program

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Camper

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You misunderstand...I am NOT for deleting it...yet..

he wants to discuss training schools fine with me.....

As I've said in the initial post, an independent review of any/all programs should be the aim of this thread as a counter balance to a reliance on second hand, he said/she said type sources.

If that's not possible, then by all means, delete away. It was only a suggestion. At the end of the day, it's not my site, so I'd be remiss to think my suggestion is anymore than just that.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
I went through SAGE Truck Driving School, overall I think the school program was put together well and was very educational. The issue I had was that there were some very unprofessional people involved as instructors, they were trying to get one guy fired because they did not like him but I thought he was the best one there. He was a former Marine so he seemed to have a leadership and integrity above the rest so they wanted to bring him down. The funny part was the guy ended up leaving while I was there and then the other instructors started complaining about how hard they had to work and that it was to hard to go on drives with students for 30 hours a week. They were the most affordable school in the area and I would suggest a person looking for a CDL on a budget go there.

Truck Driving School -- SAGE CDL Training Schools Nationwide
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
So what INDEPENDENT source NOT including OTR schools did people attend...or self taught or spouse or relative/friend?

I did the learn while you earn thing. I had a class B license and was looking for a summer job. Applied for a part-time on call dump truck driver. I got hired by a family owned trucking company that also did warehousing and was an agent for Allied Van Lines. The first day I got "loaned out" to an on OTR bedbugger and unloaded a van full of household goodies. It took 12 long hot hours.

Did the furniture thing, general clean-up, warehouse work and a couple of times even got to drive one of two dump trucks. After 3 months I got my class A. Took the test in a 1957 single axle B model Mack with a 13 speed triplex hooked to a 40' flatbed. Serious semi trucking!
 

mcavoy33

Seasoned Expediter
I went to the Diesel Truck Driving Training School in Sun Prairie, Wi.

However, I didn't go there for the CDL, I went to get Heavy Equipment Training and I got the CDL as part of it. I ended up doing a modified 2 week program that they have for HE operators.

While you are doing your HE, you begin studying to get your CDL permit, they have books with all of the test questions and all of the answers. So its easy to pass the permit test.

Then it was basically half a day in the truck on the road with 3 other students and half a day in the yard practicing the backing up. They basically teach you how to pass the test. Which really is all you need to know imo.

Your not going to get a OTR job unless you go through a companies internal training program, or you get hired on to a different job where they are doing shorter transports and need someone.

I really don't know if I would recommend it or not. It got me what I needed, I didn't expect any more out of it. People need to have realistic expectations, it costs a lot of money to run a truck, I can't imagine the insurance costs for these schools, some of the students are absolutely scary behind the wheel.

I think the current system offered by Werner, Schneider, Swift and whoever else is ideal for whoever wants to enter the industry. If my goal was to become a OTR driver, I'd don't know which would be the better route, carriers offer tuition reimbursements, so getting your CDL on your own is probably the better option because you only have to do 4-6 weeks training and not commit to being owned for a year by the company to pay them back for the course.

But not all people can spare $3-5 grand cash, so the carrier's programs might be the best fit for them.

Like everything else in our industry, it all depends on what is right for you.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I'm sorry camper for this tangent but I have to ask this, how many carriers are concern enough to require their contractors to fulfill additional safety and driving courses?

I would venture only a couple. I know a few don't require a cdl which means that they don't care to a point.

Even the greatest carrier in the world seem to lack in this area and I would think that they would be the first to do so in order to set another example for other carriers to follow.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Having a CDL shows you care? Really? having a CDL means one is better then the next? Panther drivers care more then Load 1 drivers? Thought you said it is the attitude of drivers should be measured as part of the overall picture..
 

Camper

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I'm sorry camper for this tangent but I have to ask this, how many carriers are concern enough to require their contractors to fulfill additional safety and driving courses?

I would venture only a couple. I know a few don't require a cdl which means that they don't care to a point.

Even the greatest carrier in the world seem to lack in this area and I would think that they would be the first to do so in order to set another example for other carriers to follow.

Good question. Off the top of my head, I couldn't begin to come up with an actual quantity with respect to number of carriers who go that extra mile with respect to their inhouse safety programs. Based on my own personal perspective, I would have to say it's far and few between.

Often times, what I have found is that carriers, both big and small tend to have what are nothing more than "cosmetic programs" which involve a few seminars, mostly for the sake of keeping the pom poms moving on the surface, only to put them away when the bleachers are empty.

Behind the scenes It becomes more a matter of doing the minimum needed to comply with the regulations, akin to a teacher teaching to a test, as opposed to subject matter.

That being said, one could argue that with fewer regulations from Washington, safety programs might be geared more to where they really need to be focused as opposed to what the regulators dictate. Whether that would indeed be the case, is debatable.
 
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greg334

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Good question. Off the top of my head, I couldn't begin to come up with an actual quantity with respect to number of carriers who go that extra mile with respect to their inhouse safety programs. Based on my own personal perspective, I would have to say it's far and few between.

Well I don't think it is even on their radar screen unless it is a reactionary program to mitigate their risk.

Often times, what I have found is that carriers, both big and small tend to have what are nothing more than "cosmetic programs" which involve a few seminars, mostly for the sake of keeping the pom poms moving on the surface, only to put them away when the bleachers are empty.

As we see with one, there seems to be no concern with behavior or admittance of a possible safety issue so hence the superficial programs I seen don't amount to more than "ah guys be careful out there" and that's about it.

Behind the scenes It becomes more a matter of doing the minimum needed to comply with the regulations, akin to a teacher teaching to a test, as opposed to subject matter.

True, seeing it first hand how a policy is created to mitigate a risk while feeding the animal in Washington without the concern of either the impact the behavior a driver has or the impact to that driver if there is an issue, it strikes me that most carriers will not take the steps to lessen the chance or risks that the driver poses while assuming that there are X amount of bad drivers in the fleet and they will incur X amount of cargo claims and losses from that sub-set of drivers. Not many seem to be convinced to stiffen up their recruiting practices or policies while at the same time provide access to the right training for the right reasons.

That being said, one could argue that with fewer regulations from Washington, safety programs might be geared more to where they really need to be focused as opposed to what the regulators dictate. Whether that would indeed be the case, is debatable.

Well I could understand the concept but reality would be the less they have to do, they feel the better and knowing that these regulations have more to do with the people that don't want to be safe and look at the money than they do with the people who want to be say and make money.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Given the heated discussion in a previous thread regarding Swift's CDL Program, I'm of the opinion that a dedicated link with first hand, objective reviews would be in the best interest of any newbie who considers their program.
I'm of the opinion that if an account is first hand, it isn't objective - it's colored by the perceptions of the participant, which makes it subjective instead.
That is a pretty widely accepted definition of the difference between 'objective' and 'subjective'.

As someone who got CDL training elsewhere, my only account of their program is second hand accounts from others who have gone through their program, some bad, some good, some indifferent.

I think any perspective and insight from those who have actual first hand knowledge with Swift would be most helpful in presenting a more balanced review for anyone who is looking to get into the business via a company sponsored training program.

Perhaps a compilation of links to third party reviews, good, bad, and ugly such as the one below would be most appropriate.

Free Truck Driving Schools | Swift Transportation | Free CDL License Training

One suggestion I have to the administrators is the creation of a sticky post for any and all reviews of training programs. Such a source would provide a much welcome alternative to the bar room stories from those with no actual experience/knowledge of the program(s) in question

With all due respect, it wouldn't provide an alternative to the bar room stories, but simply another outlet for the same [more or less] folks who tell those 'stories' to tell them again.
Disclaimer: I attended an independent driving school for my CDL A, then drove for Swift my first year, which involved 30 days with a trainer, then another 30 days with a fellow rookie - a policy I understand has since been changed. I therefore have some actual insight as to Swift's attitude towards training, if not the training school.
 

LisaLouHoo

Expert Expediter
Well, I see no reason NOT to discuss CDL training schools. For one, as pointed out earlier in this thread, there are some companies who prefer drivers, buckboard on up, to possess a valid CDL. Some people, after expediting for 109 years (or 8), hanging out at J's and Wally's across the country during that time, decide they want to go into a semi. Threads about CDL training seem to me to be useful in helping people decide if the CDL schooling will benefit them; OTR T/T dedicated or expediting in a ricksha.

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008
 

Camper

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With all due respect, it wouldn't provide an alternative to the bar room stories, but simply another outlet for the same [more or less] folks who tell those 'stories' to tell them again.

Perhaps..With all due respect, though, that's what moderators are supposed to be here to correct.



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Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
It would be really nice, since this is an expedite website if there was a listing/review of schools where drivers could get a Class B CDL without having to go through the Class A skills training.

IMO, if your actually wanting to do t/t expedite then it would be no different than any other t/t otr job and you would need a full Class A course.

Personally, I know of no such schools where you can get Class B training, but I think I have seen some mentioned here before.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
It would be really nice, since this is an expedite website if there was a listing/review of schools where drivers could get a Class B CDL without having to go through the Class A skills training.

IMO, if your actually wanting to do t/t expedite then it would be no different than any other t/t otr job and you would need a full Class A course.

Personally, I know of no such schools where you can get Class B training, but I think I have seen some mentioned here before.

The school I mentioned and went through does class B training and they have multiple locations in the US.

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cheri1122

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Driver
Perhaps..With all due respect, though, that's what moderators are supposed to be here to correct.

With all due etc, etc, that is not what moderators are supposed to be here to correct. [Go ahead, ask how I know.]
Unless the stories involve rude language or violations of the Code of Conduct, moderators leave it to other members to 'correct' misinformation, and we generally get it done - we're good like that.



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Camper

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Perhaps..With all due respect, though, that's what moderators are supposed to be here to correct.

With all due etc, etc, that is not what moderators are supposed to be here to correct. [Go ahead, ask how I know.]
Unless the stories involve rude language or violations of the Code of Conduct, moderators leave it to other members to 'correct' misinformation, and we generally get it done - we're good like that.


With all due respect, I believe it's within the admin/moderators discretion to remove and or discourage posts that are off topic. Whether that actually happens is another story.




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skyraider

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With all due respect, I believe it's within the admin/moderators discretion to remove and or discourage posts that are off topic. Whether that actually happens is another story.




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########### One more due respect and I will continue roflmao and Im still laughing iin all due respect lol,rof, gasping for air and so on..............u all made my day.:D
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Cheri,
The moderators should be doing a bit more than adding to the fray and deleting and/or editing posts. They should move things along, keep things on track to a point while being respectful to the members.

If this is too much for any of them to handle, well what can I say.
 

Camper

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Cheri,
The moderators should be doing a bit more than adding to the fray and deleting and/or editing posts. They should move things along, keep things on track to a point while being respectful to the members.

If this is too much for any of them to handle, well what can I say.

I will also add they need to be impartial and recuse themselves from personal conflicts of interests..With the exception of one bad apple, I think the moderators do a good job though.



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