I'm amazed!

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
We are amazed at the recent number of expediters from one of the better known carriers that have been approaching us and asking about leasing on to the carrier we are with. In the last several weeks we have been questioned by a half dozen or so and told they are looking to move their trucks to another company. Is this really a good time to be jumping from carrier to carrier?

We are left wondering, has it gotten that slow and have the revenues dwindled that much that they are willing to sell their reefers and come sling tarps and chains? Everyone has their slower than usual times during the year, including us, yet we do feel that we are staying busier than many out here. We are thankful for that and concerned for our friends through these un-stable times. We do believe that most of us will get through this with patience and cautious management of our businesses.
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
I agree TeamCaffee. Off course it is no secret why we left our previous carrier. It was much deeper than just less freight instead of more.

But in the cases I've mentioned above, is it wiser to try and ride out the storm with the carrier you're with, or leave and go into an unknown just because you think there will be more freight.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We are left wondering, has it gotten that slow and have the revenues dwindled that much that they are willing to sell their reefers and come sling tarps and chains?

Not in our case. We have noticed a slowdown in freight but it is a recent development. Most of 2008 has been just fine. Our revenue is down not because of freight reasons but personal choices to spend more time out of service and go home more often.

In the last several weeks we have noticed a genuine freight slowdown that is unrelated to our personal choices. But this is a recent development. If this continues for three months or even six, it would not even enter our minds to change carriers.

A while ago, in response not to the freight but to economic news, I researched other carriers and concluded that we are exactly where we want to be. There is nothing on the other side of the fence that makes better sense than where we are right now.

Freight has not stopped. It has slowed. In the last two days we put a bunch of money into the truck for tires, maintenance, custom wiring, etc. The money for the repairs is covered by current revenue. Freight is slow and we are fine.

If anyone is considering selling their reefers to go into flatbed work, I hope they proceed. It means more freight for us. Their leaving this side of the fence for greener grass on the other side makes this side greener for those of us who stay.
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Not in our case. Most of 2008 has been just fine.

In the last several weeks we have noticed a genuine freight slowdown. If this continues for three months or even six, it would not even enter our minds to change carriers.

Freight is slow and we are fine.

If anyone is considering selling their reefers to go into flatbed work, I hope they proceed.

Phil,
I'm glad to hear that your success continues in these un-stable economic times. I wish the people that have approached us (un-solicited on our part) were telling the same story. They are not. We are told that this has been going on since July. Plus, these are owners and drivers of larger units than yours.

We pull a stepdeck, not a flatbed. These are two very different facets of the trucking industry. We haul a different type of freight than flatbedders. They can not haul what we haul on a flatbed. There is also a difference in the rates the two typically charge the customer ours being higher.

The people that I have mentioned are not looking to go into "flatbed" work, they are looking to go into a specialized area of freight handling as we did. With that said, I am amazed at the number of people that are saying they want to get out of the type of expediting they currently do because they are'nt making the money they used to. It leads us to believe that they feel to change from say FECC to Panther or visa-versa will not improve their situation. If they felt it would, why would they be looking outside of the box?

If they do in fact leave will it really impact you? Only if you can fit a trailer load of freight in your box!
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
If you look at my signature photo, you will notice my main deck is lower than a flatbed. There is 38' of lower deck to haul large engines and parts on. Then we have an upper deck 102"x120" that is the same height as a standard flatbed. The smaller freight is loaded there. This allows us carry taller freight which is typically higher value specialized freight that flatbeds cannot carry. This is due to the 13'-6" height limitations. Anything taller requires an "overheight permit" plus greatly limits the clearances one can travel under. So by stepping down the main deck to 41" above grade we can carry items up to 10' tall without permitting and clear alot more overpasses.
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
To be able to attach the trailer kinigpin (hitch) to the fifthwheel on the tractor, the upper deck has to clear the drive wheels on the tractor.

Plus, every usable foot of deck spaceequals $$$, especially when we do multi-bill loads. We need all of the space we can get to get as many bills as we can on a run. The upper deck can make the difference in adding a couple of thousand dollars to a run.

Like now, we have one crate on the tail of the trailer going 1950 miles. We could be stopped along the way by our customer to pick up and deliver additional freight. And the $$$ would go up!
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
With that said, I am amazed at the number of people that are saying they want to get out of the type of expediting they currently do because they are'nt making the money they used to.

Have you been living in a cave? I have been in this business over five years and not a month has gone by where I have not heard some trucker, including many here on EO, moan and groan about not making the money they used to. It is part of the background noise of thus business.

You can verify this yourself. Just read old posts. You will not have to go back far. The same is true in every major trucking magazine. Most if not every issue has a trucker quoted someplace in it complaining that he or she is not making as much money as he or she used to.

I have been sitting in truck stop restaurants when total strangers approach me to say they are not making as much money as they used to. It is a popular and commonplace refrain in good times and bad.

It is also true in many cases, as it is true of me sitting here right now and many other drivers I know. We don't make as much money as we used to because the freight has slowed down. This is hardly a news flash.


It leads us to believe that they feel to change from say FECC to Panther or visa-versa will not improve their situation. If they felt it would, why would they be looking outside of the box?

Speaking in general terms, people look outside of the box because they are not fools. Looking outside the box is a wise and prudent thing to do.

We have considered converting our truck to a flatbed to haul a very specific kind of freight for a very specific customer. We have considered converting it into a truck designed to haul live lobsters from the East Coast to the Midwest. We have considered replacing our box and reefer with a fifth wheel and moving on to big-rig opportunities. We have interviewed different drivers about other opportunities. If any of them took our interest to mean that we plan to leave our present gig, they would be wrong. It means we keep our options open and research them on an ongoing basis.


If they do in fact leave will it really impact you? Only if you can fit a trailer load of freight in your box!

I exepct it will impact me in a positve way, yes. It has happened more than once that when an E or ER unit is not available, multiple straight trucks have been called in to cover the load.

You carry on like it is some strange thing that people complain, sometimes with justification, that they do not make as much money as they used to, and that a trucker in one line of work asking a trucker in another line of work about that line of work is something significant.

There is not an expediter out there that has not been approached by non-expedite truck drivers and asked about the expediting business. Why would it be any different for any other truck driver in any other segment of the truck driving industry?

People are always asking each other about each other's jobs. With the recession now underway and people losing jobs everywhere, the pace of that will certainly increase. It would be no different among self-employed independent contractors. Especially among those who lack financial reserves and have lived paycheck to paycheck, the rate of inquiry will increase.

If people are not making as much money as they used to, of course they are going to ask about. It is the smart thing to do.

Who is asking these days? They way I hear it, most everyone. That they are asking does not mean they are moving. But asking makes perfect sense.

I spoke with a vendor today who sells to some of the most successful truck drivers in the business. His customers are independent contractors at the top of their game and haul all sorts of freight for all sorts of carriers. I asked him if he knew of anyone who was having a better year this year than in 2007. He did not.

By his reckoning all of these folks are making less money than they used to. That does not mean they are all rushing off to become flatbedders or anything else. It means they are going to do the same thing they did to make it through previous hard times. They will figure out how to succeed and do so.

There are others, some who drive reefer expedite trucks, that will be unable to survive the economic slowdown; just like hundreds of thousands of others who are today losing their jobs, businesses, truck, freight, employer, pension plan, or whatever else they need to stay afloat. Such are things in these times.

Every year, in good times and bad, expedite companies turn over hundreds of contractors. This year, the recession will likely accelerate that rate.

You are welcome to make the case that (1) the FedEx ER business is destined to fail, and (2) and you were wise to have left when you did, and (3) your amazement somehow stands of evidence of a unique industry trend.

On point 2, you would be correct. On points 1 and 3 I think you would be a bit off.
 
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nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Cheri,its much easier for the flat bed guys to do multi load hauls than the rest of us.Its possible that Gary could pull 3 exclusive use loads at the same time.One customer might have an engine,needing the drop deck,another might have a small machine,that could be put on one of the decks,and the third deck could be another load.of course as each of these loads would be exclusive use,each customer would be paying for the whole trailer.I dont think where gary is leased that would be permitted,but mant flat bed companies do that,by the way,he is pulling what is called a double drop deck
 

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Steve:
We are pulling a single step, not a double drop.

We do not multi-bill exclusive use customers. We only carry one exclusive use customer on the deck at a time. They are paying for the full deck regardless of how much they are using. So you are correct, that would not be allowed. I'm refering to same customer multi location pickup and deliveries that are set up as individual runs with the customer's approval. Example: Same customer has a part that needs to be picked up and delivered and its along the route we are currently on (or close). We can be asked to stop and pick it up along the way,thus creating another bill.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
It's a double step drop up, and I'm asking Diane to give me two for Christmas! :D
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Double-Drop Deck
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Have you been living in a cave?

No Phil I have not. I would have expected a more professional response than that from you! You have chosen to turn this thread ugly, not me. Why? Do you have a problem with me?

I simply came on and shared what people have approached us with and went so far as to ask for contact information. I take that as possibly a serious inquiry. So because of that you attack. Many times people look outside of the box because they are'nt happy with the one they're in. Trust me, these people seem unhappy with their current situation.

The other day out of respect for you, I asked the moderators to lock a thread I started so that you would not continue to be bashed. Sorry I wasted my time. It wasn't worth it!
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
No Phil I have not. I would have expected a more professional response than that from you! You have chosen to turn this thread ugly, not me. Why? Do you have a problem with me?

You do like to make things personal and take things into the dramatic, don't you? "Have you been living in a cave?" is not an attack. It is a straightforward figure of speech. Get over it.
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Really? I'm not the only person that saw your response as an attack. Guess they're all dramatic to. LOL
 
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