If even the badge lickers defend thus, America is dead

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
This is from a disreputable website, but here's a link to the original from a lamestream, kneepad media site:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130718/COLUMNIST/130719612/2256/NEWS?p=1&tc=pg

Florida Nurse Terrorized by US Marshals in Warrantless Raid

Julie Wilson Prison Planet.com July 20, 2013

It was a typical evening after work when Sarasota, Fl., resident Louise Goldsberry finished dinner and began to clean up.

The nurse, employed by the Sarasota Doctors Hospital, proceeded towards the kitchen sink to clean the dishes when she gazed out her window. Her gaze met the eyes of a man wearing a hunting vest who was aiming a gun directly at her face.

Goldsberry, understandably frightened, dropped to the floor and began screaming. Although in a panic, she managed to crawl her way into the bedroom to retrieve her weapon, a .38-caliber revolver she had purchased to provide comfort while living alone.

She maintained a concealed weapons permit for the firearm.

Craig Dorris, her boyfriend who worked as a manager for a security alarm company, heard her screams and tried to make sense of his girlfriend’s reaction when suddenly they both heard a man screaming to open the front door.

The man, shouting obscenities, claimed to be a police officer and ordered them to open the front door.

Goldsberry wasn’t convinced. The man she saw through the window looked more like an “armed thug” than a police officer.

Luckily the boyfriend Dorris, was able to remain calm and request ID from the man, but the yelling continued and the man shouted, “We’re the f—- police; open the f—- door!”

Frightened, Dorris moved away from the door half expecting bullets to riddle through it.

Goldsberry, who had never been arrested before, wondered if they could really be police and if they would speak this way. She had no idea as to why the police would be trying to force their way into her apartment with their weapons drawn.

As the couple stayed huddled in the hallway, Goldsberry still clutching her weapon, watched in horror as the unidentified man pushed open the front door, which they swore had been locked.

A man crept around the corner aiming his weapon at them both and shouted, “Drop the f—- gun or I’ll f—- shoot you,” he ordered.

Goldsberry’s screams heightened, but Dorris studied the man who was now standing inside the apartment. He observed him holding a tactical shield for protection and decided he appeared to be well equipped enough to be police.

Dorris realizing that any minute the standoff could result in the death of both of them, began reasoning with the man, surrendering, raising his hands above his head and asking the man to step outside to talk.

After given permission, he moved towards the front door peacefully but was immediately grabbed and placed in handcuffs.

After being arrested outside, Dorris saw numerous men wearing vests with the words federal marshal strewn across them. Dozens of Sarasota Police officers flooded the scene, as well as some others that he couldn’t identify, which he found unusual since he often worked with police at his security company.

Dorris described it as a scene from the movie Rambo.

Dorris then yelled inside to his girlfriend that it was OK to drop the gun and come out. Paralyzed with fear, Goldsberry froze and shouted, “I’m an American citizen, you have no right to do this.”

The standoff continued for several more minutes before finally releasing her weapon onto the floor.

She was rushed by officers and quickly handcuffed.

The couple remained cuffed outside for the next thirty minutes while police searched their home without a warrant for a man they had never heard of and certainly never seen.

Finally they were released and the police left.

According to police, the man at the door was Matt Wiggins of the U.S. Marshal’s fugitive division.

When the Herald Tribune, Sarasota’s local newspaper, questioned the marshal he claimed they were searching for child-rape suspect.

Wiggins claimed they had a tip that the suspect, Kyle Riley, was inside the apartment complex, but admitted they had no specific information that indicated he was inside Goldsberry’s apartment.

Wiggins said when the people inside the apartment didn’t immediately open up, that gave them reason to believe they were harboring the alleged child rapist.

The U.S. marshal even had the audacity to say, “Nobody in the other units reacted that way.”

Tom Lyons, a reporter for the Herald Tribune countered, “Maybe none of them had a gun pointed at them through the window.”

Of course Wiggins didn’t seem to think that fact condoned the horrified woman’s behavior. He said he acted with restraint and didn’t like having a gun aimed at him.

“I went above and beyond. I have to go home at night,” said Wiggins.

Lyons argued, “She had a gun pointed at her, too, and she wasn’t wearing body armor and behind a shield.”

“She had no reason to expect police or think police would ever aim into her kitchen and cuss at her through her door to get in. It seemed crazy and she was panicked.”

Wiggins responded with, “We were clearly the police, she can’t say she didn’t know.”

“She does say so, actually,” said Lyons.

In an interview with Lyons the following day, Goldsberry explained, “I couldn’t see them. They had a big light in my eyes.”

The man she saw aiming a gun at her through the window had nothing visible that said “cop.”

“I was thinking, is this some kind of nutjob?” she said.

Turns out it was just a U.S. Federal marshal exercising what he thinks is his right under his authoritative title, and of course was “just doing his job.”

Eventually Wiggins admitted, “I feel bad for her. But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing.”

Despite the fact that she was pointing a gun at police, and Goldsberry wasn’t shot, Wiggins says, “She sure shouldn’t be going to the press.”

The suspect, Kyle Riley, was arrested several hours later in another part of Sarasota.
 
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Monty

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First of all, let me say your topic header is really absurd. "Badge lickers"?

The fact that some us do indeed support law enforcement is no reason to hurl personal attacks.

That said, you'll get no defense of the actions taken here. They were unwarranted and absurd.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
First of all, let me say your topic header is really absurd. "Badge lickers"?

The fact that some us do indeed support law enforcement is no reason to hurl personal attacks.
Supporting law enforcement is a fine thing, in general. But many take it too far, supporting them no matter what, figuring that if they focus their attention on you, "you must've done something to deserve it" and you must submit! I guarantee you that's what the cop quoted in the story believes, saying his desire to go home at night trumps the Bill of Rights. Supporters of law enforcement who take it that far are the badge lickers.
That said, you'll get no defense of the actions taken here. They were unwarranted and absurd.
I'm surprised. We have several badge lickers here.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Seems to be quite the unnatural obsession with licking here.
 

BobWolf

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Maby its because Ive worked innercity EMS for several years and seen my share of the scum the cops have to deal with. I think a formal apoligy form the Law Enforcement agentcies is the only apropriate thing to happen. The woman pointing the gun at the martial could have died from lead poisoning that night.
I do have to give creddit to the Fed Marshals FUGITIVE UNIT thier job is not to say please and thank you to a fugitive or suspected fugitive they are going after the worst of the worst. As they say in the computer business garbage in garbage out obviously this was a case of bad intell and no time to confirm it, Unlike most government agentcies time is a luxury they dont have.
About twenty years ago I was pulled over and shaken down due to misidentification or misinformation on the suspect and vehicle. I was ordered to the ground at gunpoint not fun but I dealt with it by doing exactly what I was told to do, when I was told to do it, and how I was told to do it.
B.T.W. they didnt say please. Im sure it was somthing like "do exactly what I say or you will be shot!" Boooo, hooo, hoooo I need a tissue and the hug squad for my self estiem.
Yes, I was detained for a few hours I called my lawer and said nothing untill he got there. Later they had the right guy, I was offered an apology and released I accepted the apoligy, put on my big boy pants, and I moved on with my life.

So, whats my point?
Here it is.


Poor information? Yes.
Abuse of power? No.
Absolute cluster<>?" Definitely.
Nobody permanetly injured or killed priceless.

For everything else theres the tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theries channel.
This is why we have lawers.

Bob Wolf.
 

BobWolf

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Now if they were arrested, abused or tortured for a false confession, charged falsely convicted, or Jailed or executed without a trial then yes there is a case.

Bob Wolf.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
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Turtle

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I think a formal apoligy form the Law Enforcement agentcies is the only apropriate thing to happen.
That's just not gonna happen.

The woman pointing the gun at the martial could have died from lead poisoning that night.
Many have.

Here's a Wall Street Journal article from yesterday's edition that will surely make Amonger all school-girl giddy, and should really pіss off just about everyone else.
Rise of the Warrior Cop - WSJ.com
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
"The woman pointing the gun at the martial could have died from lead poisoning that night."


There is a VERY good chance had that marshal tried that at my house it would have been the marshal that would have died of lead poisoning. I would have assumed that IF they came screaming and banging on doors that they were wacked out crack heads and act accordingly.

Either way, it would have been a VERY bad ending for someone and there is absolutely no excuse for it to go down that way.
 

AMonger

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I'm sure every tyrant at every level is happy they can abuse you however they please and then just say "Oops" and you'll just say "Thank you, sir, may I have another?"

We have a Bill of Rights that's supposed to prevent actions like these. The cops in the OP committed several crimes that night. If they're going to employ violence against people, they have to be right.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
I'm sure every tyrant at every level is happy they can abuse you however they please and then just say "Oops" and you'll just say "Thank you, sir, may I have another?"

We have a Bill of Rights that's supposed to prevent actions like these. The cops in the OP committed several crimes that night. If they're going to employ violence against people, they have to be right.

 

usafk9

Veteran Expediter
For the most part (and I have a tough time saying it), I'm with Monger on this deal.

One of the benchmarks of any law enforcement agency's use of force policy should be something along the lines of a one-plus-one theory, which usually starts out with verbal or visual identification of an authority figure (meaning the announcement of "Police" or simply the display of a uniform and/or badge. Initially, those things did not exist in that poor woman's place, and the boyfriend is a hero for de-escalation. The Marshal, who swore an oath (some blabber about this constitution thingy) is sticking hard and fast to his guns that his stick/squad did everything by the number. Common egotistical cop response - assert your wrongness with even more conviction. The Marshal is lucky to be alive. That whole natural selection law thing skipped him over that night.

I'm not a LEO hater. I have several friends in LE that I either grew up with, or did LE work in the USAF with. That said, though, I'm not a badge licker either. Some of what I see or know about from LEO's is pure ego, and the escalation in militarization of our local PD's scares the snot out of me.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
" and the escalation in militarization of our local PD's scares the snot out of me."

As well it should. Couple that with the ongoing assault on our ability to defend ourselves, to own and carry firearms, and the is MORE than ample reason to be concerned about our freedom. It is all connected and deliberate.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
For the most part (and I have a tough time saying it), I'm with Monger on this deal.

One of the benchmarks of any law enforcement agency's use of force policy should be something along the lines of a one-plus-one theory, which usually starts out with verbal or visual identification of an authority figure (meaning the announcement of "Police" or simply the display of a uniform and/or badge. Initially, those things did not exist in that poor woman's place, and the boyfriend is a hero for de-escalation. The Marshal, who swore an oath (some blabber about this constitution thingy) is sticking hard and fast to his guns that his stick/squad did everything by the number. Common egotistical cop response - assert your wrongness with even more conviction. The Marshal is lucky to be alive. That whole natural selection law thing skipped him over that night.

I'm not a LEO hater. I have several friends in LE that I either grew up with, or did LE work in the USAF with. That said, though, I'm not a badge licker either. Some of what I see or know about from LEO's is pure ego, and the escalation in militarization of our local PD's scares the snot out of me.

I don't think anybody ever denied that there are problems with a select few LEO. The problem as I see it is, the broad across the board assertion that the police are the root of all problems.
 

layoutshooter

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"The problem as I see it is, the broad across the board assertion that the police are the root of all problems."

No, Obama is the root of all evil. He just CONTROLS the police.
 
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