Idiots? just sayin
- Thread starter hossman2011
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I love how this is being reported. It's being reported by people without complete information, largely by those who failed to read the text of the actual amendment.
Amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c of Obamacare only prevents the Secretary of Health and Human Services from collecting information about legally owned firearms and ammunition when implementing "wellness and health promotion activities". It prevents the Secretary from requiring doctors to ask you if you have firearms in the house (ostensibly to keep insane people from having guns) and then reporting that to Health and Human Services, or for using gun ownership as a means of raising premiums or denying coverage.
For those interested in the actual context of the oft quoted snippet, here ya go...
Amendment 3276, Sec.2716, part c, ‘
‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.— ‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotionactivity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. ‘‘
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; ‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.— A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.— No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’’
Amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c of Obamacare only prevents the Secretary of Health and Human Services from collecting information about legally owned firearms and ammunition when implementing "wellness and health promotion activities". It prevents the Secretary from requiring doctors to ask you if you have firearms in the house (ostensibly to keep insane people from having guns) and then reporting that to Health and Human Services, or for using gun ownership as a means of raising premiums or denying coverage.
For those interested in the actual context of the oft quoted snippet, here ya go...
Amendment 3276, Sec.2716, part c, ‘
‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.— ‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotionactivity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. ‘‘
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; ‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.— None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.— A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.— No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’’
Thank You turtle for righting the world yet again; But I will probably continue to pickup on these snippets and post the ones that are thought provoking, and just wait for you to debunk the under or miss informed. Your services are very appreciated though.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Mr. Know-It-All doesn't know that the period goes inside the quotation mark, though.
We shall all sleep better knowing that. 
Man, I am SO happy I don't speak English! Too many rules.
Man, I am SO happy I don't speak English! Too many rules.
Yeah, those English people are so strange also.
One thing I learned while living over there, they all don't speak English all that gooder either.
Fixed it for you.
Just the fact that this amendment had to be inserted, to prevent this intrusion by the government, into our lives, is appalling!.
jimmy
Mr. Know-It-All largely doesn't care.
But he also knows that periods and commas going inside the quotation marks is strictly an American usage of the punctuations, and that the British and the rest of the English-speaking world place commas and periods logically (you complete the quote, then you complete the sentence) rather than conventionally (how the other lemmings do it), depending on whether the punctuation belongs to the quotation or to the sentence that contains the quotation, just as we do with question marks and exclamation points.
For example, whenever we Americans have to use a question mark or an exclamation point with a sentence that ends in a quotation, we follow the dictates of logic in determining where the question mark or exclamation point goes. If it is part of the quotation itself, we put it inside the quotation marks, and if it governs the sentence as a whole but not the material being quoted, we put it outside the quotation marks.
Have you read the assigned short story, "Flowering Judas"?
No, but I did finally get around to reading last week's assignment, "Where Are They Now?"
But the American convention is always, always, always place the commas and periods inside the quotation marks, whether it's logical or not.
A similar convention is used by those who took Typing 101 in high school and practiced ad nauseum, "The quick brown fox jumped slyly over the lazy dog." Thump. Thump. Hitting that SPACE bar twice after every sentence, because the monospace type of a typewriter made it difficult to read something with only a single space after each sentence. Many people believe that it's still correct, especially in formal writing, to use double spaces between sentences. It's not. It's not necessarily incorrect, either, as per freedom of expression, but if nothing else it pegs the writer as Old School Typing 101.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
The English teacher is incorrect, if he or she is on the correct side of the big pond. Over in the jolly ol', the period can sometimes go outside of the quotation mark. In American English, where the quotation mark is used as such as opposed to a symbol for inches or other measurement, the period or comma ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION goes inside the quotation mark. Beauty in uniformity.
Freight must REALLY be slow.
But all EO is local