I think Leo has lost it?

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
right a democracy is 51% dictating how the other 49% lives we need to get back to being a republic a land of the fair law not what the majority wants, this forum is a perfect example of how America has been taught to think,or should i say not think,

There are only marginal difference between the left and right today and the differences are not really where the other side thinks they are,they all have evolved into wack-jobs.

Palin is a great example of this total none thinking that is going on,What ever is happening there is irrelevant you have to realize she is not better nor worse than anybody we have put in office the last 28 years or so. and that is a pathetic thing to have to admit.

Welcome to the USA home of the totally loony left and ridiculously retarded right
 

Turtle

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i belong to what i would call 2 other "new sharing boards" the way it works is the OP'er passte a story and other follow with their thoughts or opinions, then the OP will come back.....seems logical...but i guess not here.......oh well
Correct, not here. That's not what happens, usually. Posts are made (the cut-n-paste types) with little or no comments of substance. Comments follow, and when the OP comes back, it's not to discuss the pros and cons of the issue, but usually to defend to the original posting, which is the classic case of trying to "turn" the others in the quest of validation.

The "Breakup of the USA and civil upheavals" is a textbook example of it. My responses were very calcuated. You responded in perfectly predictable fashion. :D

Oh PS: as for calling anyone names, please show me where i called anyone in this forum any name or inflicted a personal attack, and calling barry , barry or anything else doesn't count, he is fair game as he is a public figure.......
Public figure or not, it's a blatant disregard for the Office of the President. Calling him by a familiar nickname like Barry (and certainly the easy favorites like coward and bum), even though those who do it will say it's to diminish the person and not the position, it diminishes the position nonetheless. It is also a classic tactic of self-validation in trying to turn others. If you don't like someone, you attempt to make others not like them, too, or at least like them a little less, in order to validate your own thoughts and feelings on the matter. The MJ diminishers in the MJ threads is also textbook.

All you have to do is ask yourself one question: Would you say to his face the things you say here? Of course, you will state here that yes, absolutely, you would say it to his face. I contend otherwise.


A few other comments:

50.1% of the vote is considered a political mandate. That's all it takes.

ACORN (and other other historical) irregular voter registrations... voter fraud in voter registrations actually result in very little fraud voting. Dead people might register to vote, but they rarely actually vote. Illegal voter registration makes headlines, but the fact that it rarely translates into actual votes cast does not.

The majority of people are not minorities, yet, and there was very little illegal voting, if any at all, so calling Obama's win a racist one doesn't wash, unless you are racist yourself. It's just killing some folks that they have a black man as their president. It kills them so much that they'll say things like, "He's not my president!" and they will refuse to even call him black because he's mixed race (never mind that others of mixed race they'll call black without a second thought).

"If Obama were white OR if Acorn had been locked out of the election process Obama would have lost."

That election was all about anything other than McCain, anything other than the GOP, anything other than what was in power at the time, anything other than the political establishment (which is why Hillary didn't do so well, either). Obama won as a someone who came out of nowhere with no real experience, and he was black, and he won it walking away. If Obama had been white, he not only would have still won, he'd have won in a Reaganesque landslide.
 

dabluzman1

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Most of what I post when I post links or news stories comes from the Washington Times. Certainly a credible source and one open for discussion. The only time I am "right wing" is when someone has strayed too far to the left.

That explains it.
Here is a little tidbit for you.

Washington Times

Washington Times is a USA newspaper covering National News.The Washington Times was created in 1982 by Unification Church founder Reverend Sun Myung Moon. In 2002, at the 20th anniversary party for the Times Moon said "The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."
The Times is known for its conservative stance on political and social issues by liberals and conservatives alike.
This newspaper is owned by News World Communications, Inc..

From the Moon to Leo to us.

I guess if we believe all that they say we qualify as moonies.:cool:
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
My responses were very calcuated. You responded in perfectly predictable fashion.

Just a creature if habit, and it won't stop anytime soon!! and i know it irks you too! :D

Public figure or not, it's a blatant disregard for the Office of the President. Calling him by a familiar nickname like Barry (and certainly the easy favorites like coward and bum), even though those who do it will say it's to diminish the person and not the position, it diminishes the position nonetheless. It is also a classic tactic of self-validation in trying to turn others. If you don't like someone, you attempt to make others not like them, too, or at least like them a little less, in order to validate your own thoughts and feelings on the matter. The MJ diminishers in the MJ threads is also textbook.


ok dr turtle, heres classic for you, B/S! saying that disrepecting barry is the same as disrespecting the office is like your take that hoping barrys policies fail is the same as wanting the U.S. to fail...thats crap...as i said before, the libs wanted bush to fail, but they weren't advocating the failure of the whole country, well maybe some were, but not the total of them. And you are right i have -0- respect for barry. As for your validation therory, is that your newest deal? you have brought it up in sevarl threads and to be right up front' i couldn't care less what any of you agree or disagree with me on... if we meant face to face, none of this would be even brought up by me, i don't need validation, i know exactly who i am...

And as for calling barry by that name to his face, setup the meeting, thats all ill say until it happens....

And you are right at 50.1% there is a winner, but it still is not a mandate.....
 

dabluzman1

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Oh just a follow up on the Washington Times:


News World , Inc.
NewsWorldCommunications is a media company owned by the Unification Church, which is controlled by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. :eek:
The company has operations in 20 countries.
News World Comunications' owns the American news agency United Press International (UPI), acquired in 2000. Its flagship newspaper is the Washington Times, founded in 1982. Other newspapers published by News World include The Middle East Times (Egypt), Segye Ilbo (Korea) and Sekai Nippo (Japan). It also publishes magazines (Insight, The World & I, and Washington Golf Monthly).

Contact Information

Telephone:202.636.3000
Fax:202.269.1245
Address:3600 New York Ave. NE
Washington DC 20002-1947
 

cheri1122

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Just a creature if habit, and it won't stop anytime soon!! and i know it irks you too! :D
Folks who go out of their way to be irksome are seldom welcome anywhere that people gather, you know.
ok dr turtle, heres classic for you, B/S! saying that disrepecting barry is the same as disrespecting the office
It is.
is like your take that hoping barrys policies fail is the same as wanting the U.S. to fail...thats crap..
The article you pasted predicted the failure of the US, not 'Barry's policies", remember? And you said you'd like to see it happen.
.as i said before, the libs wanted bush to fail,
Again, you're twisting the facts: folks of every political persuasion saw and commented on Bush's failures [it was nearly impossible to avoid seeing them!], but "wanted" him to fail? No, I don't believe you can back that statement up at all, cause there's not a shred of truth to it.
but they weren't advocating the failure of the whole country,
well maybe some were, but not the total of them. And you are right i have -0- respect for barry. As for your validation therory, is that your newest deal? you have brought it up in sevarl threads and to be right up front' i couldn't care less what any of you agree or disagree with me on...
You've made that point in several posts, too, and it makes one wonder: if you don't care about the opinions of others, why do you post so much? [Please spare me the "to inform" routine, ok? We all have the same access to the internet that you do, and are smart enough to find whats out there, same as you.]
if we meant face to face, none of this would be even brought up by me, i don't need validation, i know exactly who i am...

And as for calling barry by that name to his face, setup the meeting, thats all ill say until it happens....
Uh huh. It's real easy to promise something you'll never have to deliver......:rolleyes:

And you are right at 50.1% there is a winner, but it still is not a mandate.....
"A mandate" is in the eye of the beholder, methinks, and who cares, anyhow?
 

Turtle

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Just a creature if habit, and it won't stop anytime soon!! and i know it irks you too! :D
You don't care what I or anyone else thinks, yet you somehow are able to "know" what does and does not irk me. Interesting. You're wrong, in any case.


ok dr turtle, heres classic for you, B/S! saying that disrepecting barry is the same as disrespecting the office is like your take that hoping barrys policies fail is the same as wanting the U.S. to fail...thats crap...
Constantly associating the person with demeaning comments will have an association with the office itself. It's a famously effective tactic, one that the Gay Agenda employs in many ways, for example. It's a tactic that work, whether you specifically set out to do that or not, whether you's smart enough to realize what you are doing or not.

Also, now you're saying that you hope Obama's policies will fail, which is different than what you have been saying, that you want Obama to fail. It is no small distinction, but one I would be willing to bet you see very little difference in, which is more the pity. In any case, when you want the leader of the nation, be it him personally or the policies that leader employs to lead the nation, to fail, there is no way the nation itself will not at the very least be damaged by the failure, up to the point of total failure itself. Be careful what you wish for, because you just may get it. Perhaps you should think your frothy knee-jerk wants and desires through a little more before taking a stance that is fraught with ignorance and short-sightedness. Perhaps.

as i said before, the libs wanted bush to fail, but they weren't advocating the failure of the whole country, well maybe some were, but not the total of them.
Ignorance knows no political party.

And you are right i have -0- respect for barry.
And without really and truly even knowing why. I have yet to see you offer up any thoughts on any political issues that you didn't first get from someone else.

As for your validation therory, is that your newest deal?
No, it's a long standing element of the nature of human.

you have brought it up in sevarl threads and to be right up front' i couldn't care less what any of you agree or disagree with me on...
Your actions betray you.

if we meant face to face, none of this would be even brought up by me,...
Of course not. You can't cut-n-paste when you're face-to-face.

i don't need validation, i know exactly who i am...
That's pretty funny. Every time you cut-n-paste an article, you are making an attempt at validation. Deny it if you like, but it won't change anything. That is, unless you are admiting to being a sciopath. They rarely, if ever, require any kind of external validation.

And as for calling barry by that name to his face, setup the meeting, thats all ill say until it happens....
Done. I had to pull a lot of strings, but you now have a 9:30 AM Wednesday July 15th appointment with the President in the First Annual Rose Garden Handgun Target Shooting Competition. It's BYOGA (Bring Your Own Guns and Ammunition).

And you are right at 50.1% there is a winner, but it still is not a mandate.....
There ya go, a classic case of trying to convince someone else (me) to believe in something that is not true, in an attempt to validate your own beliefs by getting others to "see things your way."

In the future before you make such blatanly ignorant statements, spend a little quality time with a dictionary. Please. In the simplest of terms, in politics, a mandate is the authority granted by an electorate to act as its representative. So whoever wins the election has the mandate.

However, when three or more people are running for the same office, the winner can win without having more than 50% of the vote. For example, the winner can have 48% of the vote, second place can have 46% of the vote, and the remaining 6% could be to a third candidate, or spread amongst many other candidates. This is a win for the one with 48%, but it is not known as a mandate, much less a mandate to implement his policies at will, because he does not have the mandate of the majority of the people. However, if he wins with 50.1% or more, it is considered a political mandate. Larger margins of victory bolster the winner, but the actual definition of a polical mandate is, in fact, 50.1%.
 

dabluzman1

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If he has indeed "lost it" and by his own admission he gets his topics from the Rev Moons Washington Times, uh.... I was wondering, would that make him a looney moonie?
Just wondering is all.:eek::D:eek::D
 

LDB

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I keep my pants on but if someone doesn't during nighttime that would make them a lunar mooner.
 

witness23

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Ouch!! Chef and LDB knocked down a few notches. You can tell when they've been beaten into submission when Chef follows up with "Ok":D and LDB decides to start joking about luney moonies. Priceless!
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
No, not beaten into submission in any form. Just figured since there's nothing to speak to I'd use what was on the silver platter in front of me.
 

chefdennis

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LOL, me knocked down?? I guess you can see it that way if you want...i just know when it not worth the effort to go on...raise a few kids, you will understand....
 

Dreammaker

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50.1% of the vote is considered a political mandate. That's all it takes.

Jay Cost agrees with you that Obama has a mandate. As Mr. Cost sees it, it was and still is a mandate to improve the economy. He fleshes out his thesis with several charts about the electorate's choosing Mr. Obama on economic issues rather than Mr. McCain. Mr. Cost is puzzled why President Obama is squandering his economic mandate on issues that are not part of that mandate, and if anything, undermine that mandate.

From Obama's Strategic Mistake by Jay Cost

President Obama can feasibly claim some kind of mandate to get the economy out of recession. I'd base this conclusion on a few data points. The first is the trajectory of the horse race. Gallup showed a dead heat when the Democratic National Convention began - and after the Republican National Convention, McCain jumped out to a modest lead. Then the financial market began to crumble, and that was essentially the end of the campaign:

There was very little change after this. The exit poll indicated that the economy was the decisive factor. A comparison of 2004 to 2008 is instructive.

There was no single issue that dominated in 2004. Voter concerns were distributed evenly around Iraq, terrorism, the economy, and moral values. Additionally, those issues cut in opposite directions: two favored Kerry, two favored Bush. The election of 2008 was different. Voters' concerns centered on the economy - and they broke to Obama by the same rate as the whole country did.

The 2008 election is a typical American response to economic woes. The country has been voting for out-parties during economic slowdowns since 1840, when it tossed Martin van Buren out on his duff. The United States votes for prosperity. It always has. It always will.

Later, he goes on to say:

This moment is calling for a focus on the economy. That's why Barack Obama has the top job. It's not because of cap-and-trade, not because of health care, not because of his magnetic presence on the campaign trail - but because the economy was shrinking at a 6.1% annualized rate by Election Day. Americans were voting against recession by voting for him. This gives him a claim to a mandate, which not every President enjoys. He now has an opportunity to put his stamp on the country's economic policy in the name of recovery. Yet he's not doing that. He encouraged the Congress to rush through a poorly designed stimulus package that he had little involvement in; now he has focused the legislature's time and attention on health care, which is a secondary concern right now.

I think this is a strategic mistake. My scan of the history of American politics does not indicate that we've been governed so much by "alignments" - the systems of 1860, 1896, 1932, 1968, and so on. Instead, I see a country that votes for growth. That's the true American ideology. Left, right, or middle - the average American wants prosperity. When the majority party fails to deliver growth after having been elected to do so - the electoral consequences can be significant.

For the whole article, see:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/07/obamas_strategic_mistake.
 

Turtle

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I listened today to almost the entire day's questioning of the Supreme Court nomination, but in the middle of that I also heard the entire press conference of the committee that produced the draft of the Health Care bill. I wanted to throw up....

on Pelosi.
 
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