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Pilgrim

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This is an outrage and yet another example of brutalization of black people at the hands of white cops. He came out of the car with his hands up and was shot by the officer anyway; that's a factual statement.:rolleyes:

Seriously, maybe some people can watch this video and get an idea of what can happen to law enforcement officers while on the job. Most people don't have a clue what they have to put up with and the kinds of human debris they have to deal with. Fortunately, this encounter ended well.
 

Turtle

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This is an outrage and yet another example of brutalization of black people at the hands of white cops. He came out of the car with his hands up and was shot by the officer anyway; that's a factual statement.:rolleyes:
Actually, that's "factually inaccurate by omission" (it's a thing now). You omitted the fact that he's an illegal Latino immigrant and that he's not black.

Although, to some people, I suppose, you are either white, or if you're not white, you're black. That's a very neat, easy, simple way to keep track of us versus them.

That, or it's just another stellar example of someone reading and seeing something, and instead of accepting or comprehending the facts as they are, the facts get changed to suit an agenda.
 

layoutshooter

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In reality, it is quite possible to be "Latino" and be of one, or mixed, of many races. There is NO "Latino" race, whether they are born here or here legally or illegally. That includes "black", which in itself is not a "race" since many Caucasians come in various colors ranging from off white, with a pink tinge, to black.

The point is, things happen quickly. It is vastly different when one's life is on the line compared to reading a story about what happened.
 

Turtle

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In reality, it is quite possible to be "Latino" and be of one, or mixed, of many races.
Yes, that's true. But the story, video and dead guy do not represent a wide range of possibilities, they represent a single actuality. In this case, the dead guy is a Latino from Honduras and he's not black.

There is NO "Latino" race, whether they are born here or here legally or illegally.
I never said there was.

That includes "black", which in itself is not a "race" since many Caucasians come in various colors ranging from off white, with a pink tinge, to black.
Both "black" and "Latino" are everyday English-language phrases usually used in socially-based systems of racial and/or ethnic classifications to refer to people who are defined as belonging to a particular ethnicity in their particular country, In America, "black" refers to those with a degree of Sub-Saharan African ancestry and, typically, with the socially-based racial classification related to being African-American with a history related to institutionalized slavery.The term "Latino" in America generally refers to someone (males) who is of Latin American extraction, namely, those who trace their origin or descent to Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central America, South America and other Spanish cultures in the Western Hemisphere.

The point is, things happen quickly. It is vastly different when one's life is on the line compared to reading a story about what happened.
That's a different point altogether than the one I responded to.
 

layoutshooter

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Most "everyday" American-English terms to define "race", etc, are wrong. Just because they are used daily, by many, does in no way make them correct. That includes the term "Latino". There is no common "culture" to tie them that closely.

"Black" is slang, not a "real" term, to describe a "race". The same can be said for "African-Americans, since the VAST majority of those who claim that are native born Americans with even less ties to Africa than I have to Europe.

Having watched the video I would find it difficult to determine race/ethnicity or nation origin of the man in question. He looks like many who hail from many places and/or mixed races, which is not out of the norm in most of the "America's".

The guy in the video got smoked because he asked for it.
 
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Turtle

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Most "everyday" American-English terms to define "race", etc, are wrong. Just because they are used daily, by many, does in no way make them correct. That includes the term "Latino". There is no common "culture" to tie them that closely.

"Black" is slang, not a "real" term, to describe a "race". The same can be said for "African-Americans, since the VAST majority of those who claim that are native born Americans with even less ties to Africa than I have to Europe.
Nobody gives a furry rat's behind. You're the only person in this thread talking about race. Pilgrim didn't say "black race," he said "black people." I didn't say Latino race," I said "Latino immigrant." Why you want to make this about race, which is a completely different topic, I have no idea. One thing I do know, however, is that you know how to start a new thread, so if you want to talk about race and ethnicity and all of the various variations and permutations thereof, knock yourself out in a new thread.

Having watched the video I would find it difficult to determine race/ethnicity or nation origin of the man in question. He looks like many who hail from many places and/or mixed races, which is not out of the norm in most of the "America's".
Having watched the video, and only the video, I would have the same difficulty. But then I read the accompanying article there they gave his name (first clue), and that he is an illegal immigrant (second clue), and that he is a member of a gang (third clue). An illegal immigrant, in Texas, with an Hispanic name, is most likely (and yes, before you say it, I realize that "most likely" only means "most likely" and does not mean "a one hundred percent certainty") someone from somewhere south of the US/Mexican border, an area of the world known as Latin America, where men are known as Latinos (and women are known as Latinas). Some quick research in reading additional articles about the incident confirmed that he was a Latino. from Honduras, and was a member of the infamous MS-13 gang (the Los Angeles-based Mara Salvatrucha gang comprised chiefly of Salvadorans, plus Hondurans and Guatemalans). Once I had all of the necessary information with which to make a determination as to his ethnicity and national origin, it was real easy to make a determination as to his ethnicity and national origin.

The guy in the video got smoked because he asked for it.
No one disputes that.
 

Pilgrim

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I think the cop needs some range time!
Actually, under the circumstances he did very well. He had the good training response to take cover behind the car and his aim was good enough under maximum stress to put fatal wounds into the guy that was shooting at him in the dark. But notice how he fumbled with his reloads? Hard to say if extra range time might help, but the average cop doesn't spend as much time on the range as he should. Bottom line is this cop was prepared and put this scumbag down - job well done.
 

skyraider

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US Navy
Old Emilio must have missed out on Vacation Bible School as a child and thus has suffered a less than stellar childhood .....................:rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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Old Emilio must have missed out on Vacation Bible School as a child and thus has suffered a less than stellar childhood .....................:rolleyes:
Wonder how many additional poor, underprivileged teenage "Emilios" are in the country now, thanks to the welcoming open arms of Barack Hussein Obama?
 

LDB

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WAY too many thanks to that worthless bum and many other worthless bums also in office.
 
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