pelicn
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Demi Moore...and others "I pledge to serve Barack Obama" while I think they have the right to say that, (at least for now) that by promoting it, they will one day wake up and their own voices will no longer be permitted.
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Demi Moore...and others "I pledge to serve Barack Obama" while I think they have the right to say that, (at least for now) that by promoting it, they will one day wake up and their own voices will no longer be permitted.
greg334
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I woke up to this?
OVM, after reading this, you are thinking within the European box, not understanding the ideology that all of it is based on – freedoms from God.
Europeans I worked with and know well still can't get what this is all about, they think they do but they can't actually grasp it well enough to practice it. They are brought up to see things as their rights come from the government, not God and because of that, they are in many ways obligated to the government so to continue to be granted those rights.
The European mind set has been discussed and it was thought of as dangerous to our way of life going back to the mid 19th century after the Irish rush dwindled down and more Europeans from other countries came here. The Irish didn't bring the main stream European enlightenment way of thinking here to our shores, they were the victims of it and knew very well what freedoms were all about. A lot of this came with the French, eastern Europeans and Germans.
No it is not all wrong, the concepts and foundation of our form of government, which is not perfect, is the best that man can have.
The ideology works when it is not tampered with. It is based on one concepts, as mentioned, man or government does not grant the rights to fellow men but God only has that right. It goes back to the Greeks (someone else can chime in who and what and when).
The reason that you are thinking about power and greed is that you see the worst but not the best. The best is the people who are in control making the decisions, they decide who to vote for and select the person not based on what they are told but how they feel. Unlike say Germany or better yet France, the concept here is not to interrupt the flow of the work of local, state and federal governments but to have a progression of sorts throughout the years with different elections and different means of representation the people and the states. They did this to prevent the ambiguity of new governments or interference by a monarch or other high official.
True equality can never be achieved as long as man exists. We have had a different form of classism here, it was something to the effect that we didn't hold people to their stations in life. This is illustrated by the rise of some of the ultra-elite in the mid 19th century, there are people among the ultra-rich who rose from nothing, from the very poor existence to become someone – they could not do that in Europe because you were born into a place in society and they is where you most likely stayed for your life.
The other thing that made a difference was the difference in states, we were not all the US, but we were South Carolina, Michigan, Iowa, New York and so on. Every state, every place had a something different about it and it kept the opportunities open to all when you look at how the immigrant florished here in our country.
True but where in the world can you say you have opportunity without restrictions. We here don't have the issue of class, like in India or england or France (a place where they claim they have liberty but I haven't see a lot of it).
Poor exists not all because they are poor and have to stay that way but because they don't want to better their situation. In our country, we have welfare, which keeps them at one place in life by providing everything for them. We are the only nation in the worlds history that claim our poor is equal to the poor say in Brazil or East Africa but our poor driving around in cars, some have LCD TVs and cable. In other words, we don't have the “have's and have nots” defined in the 19th century labor struggles .
Well one thing you are missing is the industrial revolution according to some “scholars” predates the constitution and the revolution. Nevertheless our form of government coincides with the industrial revolution and if you really want to see the contrast of how we really differ, look at what happened to the textile industry in England and what was done to save it and look at our industrial history.
The second thing is capitalism is not about power and greed, those are separate things and again the combination is how Europeans look at it.
Power and greed is an emotion, not an economic ideology. Capitalism for all the bad things has been practiced in socalist countries as much as it has in free countries. It is not the fault of the downfall of any given country or government but in fact if you look around in Africa, you can see what it really does do.
Power and greed is there because of man. Capitalism doesn't afford power and greed to flourish exclusively, power and greed in the political arena is not driven by capitalism but by the political form of government and in our case a stupefied population.
Yep that is the problem, let's fix it by limiting medical care and thining the population.
I would sort of agree with you on this analogy but here is the problem, the owner only controls as much as the person let's him control. There is no inherited control of the person, we don't have legalized slavery or indentured servitude anymore. IF a driver is so compelled to act like an indentured servant, then that is their problem, not the owners. Why OVM do you think I keep saying this is not a paid vacation or something like that but rather a business and a dangerous one at that?
Why do you think I tell people without hesitation to get two things before anything else, a lawyer and an accountant?
Isn't this all caused by us and the openness to be helpful?
Or is it because of the stupidity of others who keep saying “come on in, the water is fine”.
What makes people think that the successful ones are the ones who actually did it right and should be the ones to speak about this business?
It is funny you mention it this way, I hear from others who say the same way and in trucking there are two things with fleet owners, ones that boast about their fleet and ones who make money. It is like the industry, it is fractured and in no way a profession like other professions because here we make a lot of allowances and don't fight for the right issues, be it a driver, owner or fleet owner. It all comes down to power and greed, and the emotion behind it all.
I think that the Constitution is the right piece for all times, it is not poorly written nor is it written without thought of the past and future. It is however both a flexible document and an inflexible document that applies to all equally, even enemies of the country. When you look at other countries, like England and France, you see the complexity of their rights, where here it is simply put – rights go from God to Man to the States to the Federal Government.
Now there is something else.
I posted this in the wake of my finishing a book by Helmut Muller, “My life in the SS” (Out of print for 40 years) which touched on how it worked in Germany in the 30's and he went into details of indoctrination of children. It is amazing that he was describing films and other media that basically did the same thing, which was to pledge servitude to the leader of the country and not to the country.
He pointed out the effectiveness of this, how it turned a lot of kids when they got older to follow the ideology of the party and become strict followers. I know this is only a part of it but when you look at the pre-election stuff with Obama, and now what has been going on in the schools, this is just like Germany 1936. It is where we are now pledging to a person, not the Constitution or the country but a person and it is true propaganda.
I also am thinking, based on the cr*p the bush administration took for their use of Iraqi radio and tv during the formation of their government and how un-American it was to use propaganda, this pledge video is as un-American as anything we have seen in my life time.
OVM, after reading this, you are thinking within the European box, not understanding the ideology that all of it is based on – freedoms from God.
Europeans I worked with and know well still can't get what this is all about, they think they do but they can't actually grasp it well enough to practice it. They are brought up to see things as their rights come from the government, not God and because of that, they are in many ways obligated to the government so to continue to be granted those rights.
The European mind set has been discussed and it was thought of as dangerous to our way of life going back to the mid 19th century after the Irish rush dwindled down and more Europeans from other countries came here. The Irish didn't bring the main stream European enlightenment way of thinking here to our shores, they were the victims of it and knew very well what freedoms were all about. A lot of this came with the French, eastern Europeans and Germans.
No it is not all wrong, the concepts and foundation of our form of government, which is not perfect, is the best that man can have.
The ideology works when it is not tampered with. It is based on one concepts, as mentioned, man or government does not grant the rights to fellow men but God only has that right. It goes back to the Greeks (someone else can chime in who and what and when).
The reason that you are thinking about power and greed is that you see the worst but not the best. The best is the people who are in control making the decisions, they decide who to vote for and select the person not based on what they are told but how they feel. Unlike say Germany or better yet France, the concept here is not to interrupt the flow of the work of local, state and federal governments but to have a progression of sorts throughout the years with different elections and different means of representation the people and the states. They did this to prevent the ambiguity of new governments or interference by a monarch or other high official.
True equality can never be achieved as long as man exists. We have had a different form of classism here, it was something to the effect that we didn't hold people to their stations in life. This is illustrated by the rise of some of the ultra-elite in the mid 19th century, there are people among the ultra-rich who rose from nothing, from the very poor existence to become someone – they could not do that in Europe because you were born into a place in society and they is where you most likely stayed for your life.
The other thing that made a difference was the difference in states, we were not all the US, but we were South Carolina, Michigan, Iowa, New York and so on. Every state, every place had a something different about it and it kept the opportunities open to all when you look at how the immigrant florished here in our country.
True but where in the world can you say you have opportunity without restrictions. We here don't have the issue of class, like in India or england or France (a place where they claim they have liberty but I haven't see a lot of it).
Poor exists not all because they are poor and have to stay that way but because they don't want to better their situation. In our country, we have welfare, which keeps them at one place in life by providing everything for them. We are the only nation in the worlds history that claim our poor is equal to the poor say in Brazil or East Africa but our poor driving around in cars, some have LCD TVs and cable. In other words, we don't have the “have's and have nots” defined in the 19th century labor struggles .
Well one thing you are missing is the industrial revolution according to some “scholars” predates the constitution and the revolution. Nevertheless our form of government coincides with the industrial revolution and if you really want to see the contrast of how we really differ, look at what happened to the textile industry in England and what was done to save it and look at our industrial history.
The second thing is capitalism is not about power and greed, those are separate things and again the combination is how Europeans look at it.
Power and greed is an emotion, not an economic ideology. Capitalism for all the bad things has been practiced in socalist countries as much as it has in free countries. It is not the fault of the downfall of any given country or government but in fact if you look around in Africa, you can see what it really does do.
Power and greed is there because of man. Capitalism doesn't afford power and greed to flourish exclusively, power and greed in the political arena is not driven by capitalism but by the political form of government and in our case a stupefied population.
Yep that is the problem, let's fix it by limiting medical care and thining the population.
I would sort of agree with you on this analogy but here is the problem, the owner only controls as much as the person let's him control. There is no inherited control of the person, we don't have legalized slavery or indentured servitude anymore. IF a driver is so compelled to act like an indentured servant, then that is their problem, not the owners. Why OVM do you think I keep saying this is not a paid vacation or something like that but rather a business and a dangerous one at that?
Why do you think I tell people without hesitation to get two things before anything else, a lawyer and an accountant?
Isn't this all caused by us and the openness to be helpful?
Or is it because of the stupidity of others who keep saying “come on in, the water is fine”.
What makes people think that the successful ones are the ones who actually did it right and should be the ones to speak about this business?
It is funny you mention it this way, I hear from others who say the same way and in trucking there are two things with fleet owners, ones that boast about their fleet and ones who make money. It is like the industry, it is fractured and in no way a profession like other professions because here we make a lot of allowances and don't fight for the right issues, be it a driver, owner or fleet owner. It all comes down to power and greed, and the emotion behind it all.
I think that the Constitution is the right piece for all times, it is not poorly written nor is it written without thought of the past and future. It is however both a flexible document and an inflexible document that applies to all equally, even enemies of the country. When you look at other countries, like England and France, you see the complexity of their rights, where here it is simply put – rights go from God to Man to the States to the Federal Government.
Now there is something else.
I posted this in the wake of my finishing a book by Helmut Muller, “My life in the SS” (Out of print for 40 years) which touched on how it worked in Germany in the 30's and he went into details of indoctrination of children. It is amazing that he was describing films and other media that basically did the same thing, which was to pledge servitude to the leader of the country and not to the country.
He pointed out the effectiveness of this, how it turned a lot of kids when they got older to follow the ideology of the party and become strict followers. I know this is only a part of it but when you look at the pre-election stuff with Obama, and now what has been going on in the schools, this is just like Germany 1936. It is where we are now pledging to a person, not the Constitution or the country but a person and it is true propaganda.
I also am thinking, based on the cr*p the bush administration took for their use of Iraqi radio and tv during the formation of their government and how un-American it was to use propaganda, this pledge video is as un-American as anything we have seen in my life time.
We don't pledge to serve a president, he serves us.
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Thank you Greg for not jumping all over me....you've given me some material to ponder....
Only for the time being. More and more of our "choices" are being stolen from us by our corrupt government. They are on their final leg of their take over of our rights and their goal of total control of the People. We have VERY few chances left to re-gain our RIGHTFUL power and CONTROL OVER our elected putzes.
That is SO true Greg and sooo many are willing to just throw away freedoms that so many have DIED to insure that we have them. They can always go live in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran or even most of Europe if THEY want to be controlled and rulled. I cannot accept being rulled. I don't function too well when someone tries to control me. I kinda "REVOLT" when that happens.