I need help

[Tennesseahawk]

The question is;

To be a better human, do you tell the truth about what it really is like or to tell that everyone can make it?

Depends on what they want to hear, I guess. You can tell some ppl either scenario, but they'll hear the same thing.

 

[broker]

This isn''t about Christianity, I only mentioned it, due to how he follows the word. We have many denomations and beliefs.
His happens to be trust other children of God.
My wife is the same, so enough of that or you will be on thin ice with me.
ATeam, you tell us all how we should do things like you and Diane all the time, when it pertains to Expediting. Don't come on here now and start preaching how we should follow the way you interpret the bible. I will do the same.

This man has not asked for my advice, let alone money. No need to bring his name on here. "I" am the one asking if "I" should give advice.
Maybe I forgot to mention before, NO he does not have a lap top. This is why I originaly gave him my phone #, so he could call when something is needed from the internet.

All of you who state what he should have done are correct.
However, this is about, should I tell him what he should do now?

The man Phil talked about, is just an example of what this man will turn into.
So I say, why prolong the inevitable?
BIG JOHN

 

[davekc]

I don't think it would hurt to tell him what you know. Even more so with someone new that may be just focused on obtaining a job at all costs. Of course, "delivery is everything" when one goes about telling them.
While it is a personal decision, I would also be mindful to address the facts of being gone all the time with a wife and 9 month old baby at home. Does he have a risk there? Hard to tell.
I have talked many into waiting that aren't exactly in that right place to jump in.

 

[broker]

Thank you Dave, your opinion is appreciated.
This darn thing has been tugging at me heart since the phone call.
As a very proud father, he showed Kathy and I a picture of the baby. I keep seeing it every day and night.
I just can not think of how this could turn out down the road, knowing I could have stopped it.
BIG JOHN

 

[ATeam]

ATeam, you tell us all how we should do things like you and Diane all the time, when it pertains to Expediting.

Sometimes I wonder if you even read my posts, let alone understand them as others seem able to do. What you say, broker, is not true. Namely, it is not true that, "you tell us all how we should do things like you and Diane all the time, when it pertains to Expediting."

What is true is that I freely share what Diane and I do in our expediting business, such that others can read and use (or not use) that information as they wish. It is also true that I advocate certain business practices like taking profitable loads, reading your lease before signing it and knowing your cost per mile.

To the recommended business practices, I attach a "should." You "shoud" know your cost per mile, for example. You "should" understand the lease you sign. I am hardly a unique voice in that. No "should" is attached when I talk about particluar ways Diane and I run our business. Any objective reader would quickly grasp that from the first-person language I intentionally use when talking about such things.

Don't come on here now and start preaching how we should follow the way you interpret the bible. I will do the same.

Once again, you are taking something I say and turning it into something totally different. I almost never mention religion or the Bible in the Open Forum. Use the advanced search feature and see for yourself. Search all uses of the word "Bible" by ATeam. You will find ZERO cases where I told anyone how to interpret the Bible. Anyone reading my reference to the "Lords word" (broker's words) in this thread will see that I am saying nothing at all about how to interpret the Bible.

So, since there is not a single instance of me telling others how to interpret the Bible, what leads you to say that I am?

It is not happening yet you say it is. What's up with that?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

No one is telling you how to interpret the Bible. But even I, who am not a Bible guru, thought it sounded strange that it would say to trust in your fellow man. Especially when so many famous philosophical quotes tell differently. One in particular: "He who buys need 100 eyes; but one's enough for those who sells the stuff." can be interpreted many ways... but basically tell the simple truth: BUYER BEWARE!

All I did was a google search: bible trust in man... wallah. So easy, even a heathen can do it.

 

[broker]

Some of you folks want to express how you personally feel about Godly ways, that is your business. I will be the last to even suggest how you should. That is between you and the Lord.
Kathy and I know where we will meet someday after leaving this World, due to "OUR" beliefs.
Peace be with you all.

Now, back to the subject at hand.
When I talk with this young man again, I will take the advice of some, to pursue a way to get him back home to stay.

Expediting and his trusting ways are not a good mix.
Thanks again, it was very appreciated.
BIG JOHN

 

[ATeam]

Now, back to the subject at hand.

In your reply #22, in this thread that you originally started, you placed additional subjects at hand. They include: (1) your false statement that I tell all readers how they should do things like me and Diane all the time, when it pertains to Expediting, and (2) your false statement that I am telling people on the Open Forum how to how to interpret the Bible.

You can, if you wish, ignore the questions I asked you in reply #25. Your non-answer is itself an answer. Just don't expect false statements to go unnoticed and unchallenged when you make them.

I don't mind a bit if you disagree with what I say, advocate different business practices, define success in your own way, or have a different set of life priorities and goals. Differences are the grist of internet forums. When respectfully discussed, they can be a worthy reader resource.

I do mind when you tell public lies about me, and will thank you to not do it again.

 

[greg334]

This is too funny but it struck a nerve with me.

Phil, I got to point out a few things that I hope you will read and think about.

You kind of sort of did tell us how to interpret the bible by questioning one's interpretation about trust - “I too was wondering, where in the "Lords word" does it say to "trust others?"” Isn’t that telling us how to interpret the stories, or did I miss something?

I do mind when you tell public lies about me, and will thank you to not do it again.

So I take this as it applies to you too?

Possibly not

I mean you didn’t tell everyone a lie about me claiming I failed?

Maybe we need to stay on topic, right Phil?

 

[ATeam]

This is too funny but it struck a nerve with me.

Phil, I got to point out a few things that I hope you will read and think about.

You kind of sort of did tell us how to interpret the bible by questioning one's interpretation about trust - “I too was wondering, where in the "Lords word" does it say to "trust others?"” Isn’t that telling us how to interpret the stories, or did I miss something?

Yes. You missed something. Actually you added something ("sort of did"). There is no "sort of did." It either happened or did not, and in this case, it did not. Asking a question about where something is said is not the same as telling people how to interpret something.

So I take this as it applies to you too?

Possibly not

I mean you didn’t tell everyone a lie about me claiming I failed?

I don't recall what I said, but it remains posted for you to look up. If you want to talk about what I said, that is fine. Just be sure to talk about what I actually said and not what you say I said or think I said.

There are the words, there is the way the author meant them, and there are the various ways people interpret them. If you wish to pursue this failure thing further, let's start with the words themselves, the words that were actually posted.

To make it on topic, start another tread. I have no need or desire to take this up but certainly can if you start. Your choice.

 

[chefdennis]

Well actually the bible says in more then a few places to trust in man.. one would be in 1 Corinthians 13:7 where "Love is talked about" going back to 13:6 and starting there it reads,

(6) "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. (7) It always protects, always TRUST, always hopes , always preservers......

So i take that as you should always trust those you love and we are told to love the neighbor as we love the church.....

then again in Titus at 2:10 while Paul spoke of slavery, going back to 2:9 and finishing with 2:10 he said,

(9) Teach slaves to be subject to the masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, (10) and not to streal from them, but to show that they can be fully TRUSTED, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

so again to me the idea Paul was trying to get across was for the Slaves to act in a way the Masters would TRUST them....

now me personally I have a real hard time trusting certain of people so I guess, well no I know , I am just a common sinner..........

But to live Godly is to trust in man, yes you will be disappointed, for the only one that will never truely disappoint you based on his word is God.....To live worldly would be not to allow yourself to trust in man and thus be a sinner, which we all are.....

There are more verses on trusting man in the bible, you just need to look for them, read the verses BEFORE them and AFTER them so that you can get the full context of any one verse....These 2 come mind because it wasn't too long ago (within the last 2 months) that the small group I belong to from church did a bible study of bothe the Corinthians and when we study a book, we also do alot of "cross" checking verses for their context with other verses in other books and the Titus reference stuck with me for some reason....but there are more...

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Chef... your first quote says Love always trusts. Loving your neighbor (as someone else pointed out in another thread) doesn't necessarily mean love your nation (or any stranger).

Your second quote talks about slaves (workers) being trusted. Yes... everything I do has an impact on how I'm trusted by others. However, that doesn't mean I expect ppl who don't know me to trust me. Trust is earned. And anyone who trusts blindly is a fool. IMO, being a fool is a prerequisite to being wise; so everyone is a fool, in one way or another, at some point in their lives.

Regardless... the Bible is filled with contradictions to itself. It would not surprise me to find a passage that says to unconditionally trust your fellow man. Tho I doubt it's there.

 

[greg334]

Yes. You missed something. Actually you added something ("sort of did"). There is no "sort of did." It either happened or did not, and in this case, it did not. Asking a question about where something is said is not the same as telling people how to interpret something.

To me and maybe a lot of others, you are implying that there is nothing about trust in the Bible. The question mark means little in the context of two posts. Sorry Phil, do read about implied context. You do a have a copy of The Chicago Manual of Style? (Curious)

I don't recall what I said, but it remains posted for you to look up. If you want to talk about what I said, that is fine. Just be sure to talk about what I actually said and not what you say I said or think I said.

Of course you don’t recall…. but I am going to point out that you have a bad habit of editing your posts after it was posted and of course it was cleaned up. I am amazed that you do this but again I know why. You don’t take the time to properly write, edit and review your work in order to present a professional manner; you are the editor/writer of EN so I would assume that you would post professionally all the time, right?

I do write, edit and review everything I write most of the time, like now I am doing this carefully to make a stupid post against the almighty and I do it off line to make sure it my spelling is correct and the structure looks right. I guess I am a lowly expediter, not a big editor, so I can do edit my posts but…...

Looking at it again, it looks like you removed the word Failed but hell I don’t care because I know what I saw and I think I have a copy of that post as it was first posted.

There are the words, there is the way the author meant them, and there are the various ways people interpret them. If you wish to pursue this failure thing further, let's start with the words themselves, the words that were actually posted.

Sure let’s.

Failed - from Merriam-Webster Online

Function:
verb
Etymology:
Middle English failen, from Anglo-French faillir, from Vulgar Latin *fallire, alteration of Latin fallere to deceive, disappoint
Date:
13th century

Intransitive verb
1 a: to lose strength: weaken <her health was failing>
b: to fade or die away <until our family line fails>
c: to stop functioning normally <the patient's heart failed>

2 a: to fall short <failed in his duty>
b: to be or become absent or inadequate <the water supply failed>
c: to be unsuccessful <the marriage failed> ; specifically : to be unsuccessful in achieving a passing grade <took the exam and failed>
d: to become bankrupt or insolvent

I highlighted the meaning that I know you meant in the context you put into the post; you attacked me and said what you said. I am not hurt by it but it makes my point.

To take this a step further, from the same post (you find it I am too busy to chase which one it is and post it here)

That is, if you are even in the business any more. Are you? If so, what is your business model this time and how is it working for you? I have lost track of the various expediting methods you have tried. If you are still in the business, what exactly are you doing this time around and why are you doing it instead of the things you tried before?

It is the bold sentence of that statement, you keeping track of my methods?

Really, what methods are you talking about?

I still do the same thing I have been for a while, actually since I started and haven’t deviated from my business methods a bit.

The failure that I experienced was not from my inability to do the work, control my spending or anything on my end, it was the carrier failed me as it has others. The difference is I didn’t just say “Oh why me, Lord why me” but made a business decision to move and to ask why I went through what I went though when I left. I dug for answers and I was given honest answers about the issues that failed me and what failed others. I used all of that information to find better ways to improve myself and my business.

You actually have helped me, thanks. You have made me more determine to get though the hard times instead of going back to university to finish my degree, but Harvard will have to wait

See Phil, you didn’t change anything since you started, same company, same position, starting at the top..... which it seems to me that you shouldn’t throw rocks.

But also I am going to repeat the previous quote;

There are the words, there is the way the author meant them, and there are the various ways people interpret them. If you wish to pursue this failure thing further, let's start with the words themselves, the words that were actually posted.

Let’s take that a bit further, just for s*ts and giggles. The highlighted sentence means a lot when the author intentionally uses words that are to be interpreted only one way. I am bringing this up because I just read an article this morning where the guy and gal in an IT business (not trucking) are claiming to be experts where they are not. I personally know their background, I know what they knew when I worked with them and know what they have been doing since. The problem is they are misrepresenting themselves through subtle words that talk about their expertise in this field. This applies to profiles in print, in their case they know that it is a false statement being made by the author of the piece to inflate their experience and they are not asking for a correction which means a lot about their credibility.

To make it on topic, start another tread. I have no need or desire to take this up but certainly can if you start. Your choice.

No Phil, I am saying the same thing you did in another thread, stay on topic, the topic is not Phil and his defense but answering the call for help.

P.S. - edited to add one word

 

[chefdennis]

TNHawk, LOL, I am not about to get in a pizzing contest on the bible, i simply supplied 2 verses that shows man should trust his fellow man in accordance with the bible... we each can interpret that as we each want and thats what happens everyday..

Now as far as trust be earned, Well thats a 2 edged sword. If i have no reason to distrust you when 1st meeting you, then based more then a few ideals, you will have my trust (there are alot of people on here i have never met, but i'd trust them with my property) thats not based on you earning it, it is based on my instincts. Yes different levels of trust can be bulit up over time to take in a boarder base of issues that one would trust another thats true, so yes i guess you can say that over time trust is earned as you find out more about a person, but your 1st instinct will offer up a certain level of trust, unless something happen during that 2st meeting to make a negative impression.

most people will offer up their trust in some ways when 1st meeting a person and will build from there, until they are given a reason to dis-trust...LOL, and quite often that is what happens with man............

 

[inkasnana]

The verse that is in the very center of the Bible is Psalm 118:8: "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

I'm in NO WAY arguing what the Bible has to say. I am simply stating a fact of what that verse says and where it is. As someone else stated, the Bible is full of contraditctions and is completely open to one's own faith, beliefs and interpretation.

*broker, I'm sorry for an OT post.

 

[ATeam]

(Phil sighs and wonders to himself, why do I even bother with such nonsense? Disregarding the inner voice that says "Don't do it!" he proceeds to continue a meaningless dialogue that benefits not a bit the new readers who come to this site to learn about expediting. Such evil pleasures that lurk within are not easily eradicated, and are indulged to the detriment of more positive and productive activities. Though, there is some entertainment value provided for readers who come here to indulge their own evil pleasures and enjoy threads like these.)

Well, Greg, since this thread has now spun off in several directions at once and sticking to the original topic is a lost cause, I'll reply (A really, really stupid use of time when I have other things to do. This EO needle really has to come out of my arm.)

To me and maybe a lot of others, you are implying that there is nothing about trust in the Bible. The question mark means little in the context of two posts. Sorry Phil, do read about implied context. You do a have a copy of The Chicago Manual of Style? (Curious)

No, I do not have a copy. If you want to change the subject to effective writing or the use of that book, I have no interest in debating it with you here.

I have no control whatsoever how others interpret what I write, so if you want to believe something about implied context and question marks, knock yourself out. I have faith in the larger body of readers to grasp what I say and mean.

Of course you don’t recall…. but I am going to point out that you have a bad habit of editing your posts after it was posted and of course it was cleaned up.

I consider it to be a very good habit. When errors are found, I correct them. When a better way to express what I mean comes to mind, I change the post to do so.

About the post in question (that you have yet to specifically identify), if it was edited, I believe you will find the same to be true with that one as with all others. Edits follow the original post in short order (minutes, hours, maybe a day or two). After posting something, I often edit it to correct errors, improve grammar and clarify meaning. After that, I leave it alone. If a later change is made, it is identified as an update in the post, not in the edit fine print line below. Or, the update may be made in a subsequent post (example)

Edit dates and times are shown on every edited post. You can look yourself to see when the last edit occurred on whatever post it is that you are talking about.

I am amazed that you do this but again I know why. You don’t take the time to properly write, edit and review your work in order to present a professional manner; you are the editor/writer of EN so I would assume that you would post professionally all the time, right?

Wrong.

I do write, edit and review everything I write most of the time, like now I am doing this carefully to make a stupid post against the almighty and I do it off line to make sure it my spelling is correct and the structure looks right. I guess I am a lowly expediter, not a big editor, so I can do edit my posts but…...

You missed some items in your words above but I am not the one being picky here. This is the Open Forum, not the New York Times or Atlantic Monthly. Perfection in writing is not required.

Looking at it again, it looks like you removed the word Failed but hell I don’t care because I know what I saw and I think I have a copy of that post as it was first posted.

Again, Greg, it might be of interest to readers to see whatever it is that you are talking about. The post that has set you off cannot be judged until presented.

Hey folks, I have this really, really cool truck to discuss. This Class 8 straight truck gets 40 mpg, meets all California emissions requirements and sells for less than $100,000 brand new. While I am eager to discuss it with you, you cannot see it or know any more about it than I am willing to say. Now let's see you open your check books and buy my story!

Seriously, let me ask all readers, have you ever said something you did not really mean? Have you ever said something that could be better conveyed with a better choice of words? That happens to me all the time. On the Open Forum, where it is possible to edit my remarks, I take full advantage of that ability. And because editing is possible, I do not feel the need to get it perfect the first time.

It is entirely possible that I wrote something, posted it, reconsidered what I really wanted to say and changed the post to say that. That happens all the time and such edits are made soon after the original post was made.

It goes like this:

1. Post
2. Oops!
3. Edit
4. Re-post

Sometimes the process repeats itself several times in the minutes and hours and sometimes a day or two (usually after sleeping on it) after the first post was made. When the edits stop, it means I am satisfied with the post and believe I can substantiate and defend it if needed.

Sure let’s.

Failed - from Merriam-Webster Online

Function:
verb
Etymology:
Middle English failen, from Anglo-French faillir, from Vulgar Latin *fallire, alteration of Latin fallere to deceive, disappoint
Date:
13th century

Intransitive verb
1 a: to lose strength: weaken <her health was failing>
b: to fade or die away <until our family line fails>
c: to stop functioning normally <the patient's heart failed>

2 a: to fall short <failed in his duty>
b: to be or become absent or inadequate <the water supply failed>
c: to be unsuccessful <the marriage failed> ; specifically : to be unsuccessful in achieving a passing grade <took the exam and failed>
d: to become bankrupt or insolvent

I highlighted the meaning that I know you meant in the context you put into the post; you attacked me and said what you said. I am not hurt by it but it makes my point

Therein lies the problem, Greg. You claim to know what I meant by something that only you have seen. The rest of us still have no idea what post you are even talking about.

To take this a step further, from the same post (you find it I am too busy to chase which one it is and post it here)

The above sentence needs editing. I do not understand what you mean.

It is the bold sentence of that statement, you keeping track of my methods?

Really, what methods are you talking about?

I cannot answer that question until you point me to the post in question. I have many posts. If you want an answer, provide a link to the post you are talking about.

I still do the same thing I have been for a while, actually since I started and haven’t deviated from my business methods a bit.

The failure that I experienced was not from my inability to do the work, control my spending or anything on my end, it was the carrier failed me as it has others. The difference is I didn’t just say “Oh why me, Lord why me” but made a business decision to move and to ask why I went through what I went though when I left. I dug for answers and I was given honest answers about the issues that failed me and what failed others. I used all of that information to find better ways to improve myself and my business.

The above may be interesting to some, but until you provide a link to the post in question, I have no idea whether it is even on topic or not. What does the above paragraph have to do with anything? Why do you bring it up here?

You actually have helped me, thanks. You have made me more determine to get though the hard times instead of going back to university to finish my degree, but Harvard will have to wait

You are kidding, right?

See Phil, you didn’t change anything since you started, same company, same position, starting at the top..... which it seems to me that you shouldn’t throw rocks.

But also I am going to repeat the previous quote;

Let’s take that a bit further, just for s*ts and giggles. The highlighted sentence means a lot when the author intentionally uses words that are to be interpreted only one way. I am bringing this up because I just read an article this morning where the guy and gal in an IT business (not trucking) are claiming to be experts where they are not. I personally know their background, I know what they knew when I worked with them and know what they have been doing since. The problem is they are misrepresenting themselves through subtle words that talk about their expertise in this field. This applies to profiles in print, in their case they know that it is a false statement being made by the author of the piece to inflate their experience and they are not asking for a correction which means a lot about their credibility.

So, what does that IT couple have to do with anything here?

No Phil, I am saying the same thing you did in another thread, stay on topic, the topic is not Phil and his defense but answering the call for help.

P.S. - edited to add one word

I hope you feel better now, Greg. You left me confused and feeling little need to clear it up. If you need more from me, you will have to wait until May 1 or later. See this post.

 

[greg334]

Your funny Phil, all that and what did you say? too much to read and digest after a great day in the ghetto.

Oh yes "Well, Greg, since this thread has now spun off in several directions at once and sticking to the original topic is a lost cause, I'll reply (A really, really stupid use of time when I have other things to do. This EO needle really has to come out of my arm.)"

Well not really spun off in different directions, we are still talking about helping people but you took it there when you decided to write a novel, so I obliged and then asked to stick to the topic - sort of maybe something of a funny message.

However...... I am trying to tell you something but you are not getting it..... it is there to help you.... not bash you.....

Seriously Phil, yes Harvard..... I'm not kidding. If you want to know the who, what, where, why and how - ask and maybe I will tell you too. But don't let that sound like a big deal, if a mother of 6 who is 60 years old with a GED can go there, so can a truck driver like me and it ain't a charity thing either.

AND what does IT couple have to do with this, well something that I was pointed out about another couple has been saying in this forum and it is for you to figure out, I know you can.

 

[x06col]

Whom gives a rats az anyway?? Dis here politically, punctually and otherwise correct bs in the world has run it's run with me. Don't know bout y'all but, whom gives a rats az????

 

[youngsamuel]

Hey Broker I am new to expedite myself. I have a wife two girls and one on the way. I struggle everyday with packing up going home and saying the heck with it. I started expediting last July. People say I picked the wrong time to get in it but my response is I got out of construction at the right time. Even in this economy the ONLY thing I don't care for is being away from my beautiful (and they are beautiful) girls. I will pray for your friend and my only advice is do the same. One thing I know for sure about the LORD is that he answers prayer even when we don't like the answer.

 

[DougTravels]

I think it's in the book of paul: Let he who giveth a rats az receiveth 10 in return, that's when Paul lost it and shouted "who even wants rat azzes, the loins are the best eatin"