HR45 - The devil appears

layoutshooter

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There is a very good chance it will pass. The Nazis hold both houses and Hitler II will sign ANYTHING that takes away freedom, 2nd Amendment Rights and destroys the Constitution. Pjjjjj, what we have is a basic RIGHT under the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. That amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, all RIGHTS contained in that Bill are reserved for the PEOPLE ONLY, our government has NO rights under our Constitution. They have NO legal authority to impose such a law on us. Any attempt to circumvent or do away with ANY part of the Bill of Rights is treason. All bets are off at that point. Lock and Load!!! Yea, I will fight for my rights. That is not a threat to anyone, the threat is from this Administration. You know, all enemies both forgien and DOMESTIC!!!! Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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As I said, I just don't see any Gun ban, registration and controls passing right now, yes during Barrys time in office some will, but I don't see it till after the 2010 elections. The Dem's just don't want to take that chance of losing offices as they did after the clinton assault weapons ban...

Now if by chance they do, I am with Layout, all bets are off and you will hear a lot of,

"READY ON THE RIGHT"..............:mad:
 

LDB

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[[Quote:
Originally Posted by layoutshooter
There is a very good chance it will pass. The Nazis hold both houses and Hitler II will sign ANYTHING that takes away freedom. Layoutshooter]]


See... now this is what scares me about you...


The truth is scary isn't it.
 

layoutshooter

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Explain how that scares you please. I am not trying to be a smart *ss, I want to know. One of the first moves that Hitler made when he took over was almost exactly this type of bill. The Soviets did the exact same thing just after the 1917 revolution. So did Red China. All oppressive governments first control the means of the People to protect themselfs. That is why I say to learn history. This has happened before and is happening again. Are you afraid to stand up for your Rights? Would you be willing to give into this IF it does pass? Many won't. I am not afraid to say it a loud. If ALL Americans grew some guts we could put an end to this. I stand by the Oath I took when I joined the Army and a very similar Oath I took, Twice, when I was an intell agent. I will Protect and Defend the Constitution. That is how I feel and what I believe. I am no threat to you. I will NEVER fire a first shot. I will though, Defend my Rights and the Constitution. I have sworn to do so. I DON'T take that lightly, I am a man, NOT a politition. Layoutshooter
 

layoutshooter

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I was just at Barret two weeks ago, I have thier latest magizine. Cool stuff!! I loved being in that factory, love the smell of gun oil!!!! Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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Actually Layout, Hitler didn't do anything until 1938, the Weimar Republic passed a law in 1928 that restricted some ownership but the 1938 bill stripped the ownership out of the hands of the average subject.

However, we can compare the rise of Hitler to Obama with the control of congress and the changing of the rules within the congress to control the opposition. Even though Stalin and Lenin for that matter had almost absolute control, neither of them changes how the system worked internally like they have in congress. It is scary to read some of the house rule changes under pelosi, Reid isn't too far behind either but I think it will cuminate to the point like hitler, there will only be the need for a simple majority on any bill presented in congress.
 

layoutshooter

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I could have sworn he did something with a national registration in '35. I will look it up tomorrow. It is ZZZZZZZzz time. nighty nite!!! Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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I could have sworn he did something with a national registration in '35. I will look it up tomorrow. It is ZZZZZZZzz time. nighty nite!!! Layoutshooter

That is different, registration requirements were in place in 1928 but not enforced. The real reason behind the 1928 law was the SA was too much for the public to deal with and it was the fighting in the streets that really got things rolling.

Not to forget that Hitler also ran on the Berlin Taxi Murders, which garnered a lot of support for him during the campaign. He promised to end the murders and he did with a lot of force. I would assume that he didn't enforce the firearms laws because of the campaign promise until the '35 Nuremberg laws.
 

chefdennis

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THANKS OVM!!!! Barrett makes a fine weapon. Sadly i sold my 50 cal barrett, I am not realy accurate at long ranges and it was just too much for Close quarters , LOL!! That .338 looks nice! While it is still for the long range , I might look at into one of them....and yes Layout, the sweet smell of gun oil is like a nice "air freshener!" :D
 

chefdennis

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I knew I had this info, but i couldn't find it for a while. I found it this morning and figured I'd post it so you can see it all in one place and see Barrys position on gun ownership. If you don't think Barry isn't going to make a move on our guns sooner or later in his admin. Well i think you need to re think your position:

Barack Obama on Gun Control

Barack Obama on Gun Control
Democratic nomine for President; Junior Senator (IL)





Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Dems_Philly.htm

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Dems_Philly.htm

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok

Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Politico.htm

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing

Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Dems_Las_Vegas.htm

2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month

Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.

Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

Concealed carry OK for retired police officers

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“

It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/Promise_to_Power.htm

Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities

Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.

Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2007_NAACP_Primary.htm

Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban

KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.


Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

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layoutshooter

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Thanks for the info Greg, I am not good with dates, I did not learn history that way, thank God. I was taught to look a concepts and trends in history. I guess maybe that is why I did so well as an intell analyst. Analysing intell is knowing the history of a target, understanding the concept of the problem and following the trends of the target over the years. I thank Paul Menard, history 11th grade Riverview High School, for teaching me how to learn history and how to think.

Hey letzrocketexpress, you still have not told me why I scare you. Layoutshooter
 
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