How safety nazis affect us all

AMonger

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This applies to the crowd that believes that with a construction zone speed limit of 45, we should automatically do no more than 35. This applies to people who believe stupid things like, "If you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide," or that the government is keeping us safe!
Why Clover Thinks He’s Free
September 14, 2012 By eric
Clovers are ok with the American Police State because to them, it’s not a police state. They see no imposition – much less tyranny. They see “democracy,” lawful order. The flag – and (to them) freedom. The mindset is nicely articulated by the well-worn Clover cliche: “If you just obey the law you won’t have any

as they spiral down toward the drain into outright and abject slavery. Which even then, Clover will not see as slavery. He will still be free to act, he thinks – provided of course that he acts within the boundaries laid down for him. In the same way a slave was free to pick cotton; or the medieval serf free to farm his small plot… so long as he gave his Lord the specified portion of his crop.

Clover does not grasp that each time he submits, he has surrendered a piece of his life. And much worse, the lives of others, too.

Eventually, there will be nothing left to surrender.

But this ugly inevitability does not trouble Clover. He agrees to allow others to direct and control his life, to make his decisions for him. And because he has accepted this “direction,” so also must others. If they do not, if they object in any way, then they deserve what comes to them.

It will please Clover to see them punished.

Unfortunately, Clover’s psychological S&M routine is not his private perversion –which incidentally would be ok, in a free society. If he likes being told what to do – and punished when he does not do as he’s told – he has every right to live that dynamic provided it’s just between him and his dominatrix. What’s not ok – if society is to be free – is Clover’s demand that everyone else don the Gimp suit and rubber ball in the mouth, accept the lash and say “yes, Mistress” (that is, yes, Officer) on cue.

Yet this is precisely what Clover does in fact demand. And it’s the reason why Clover gets absolutely furious when they do not comply.

old (out of date) state “safety” inspection because I figured this would be less conspicuous to any passing costumed enforcer. My wife encountered a Clover instead. She parked in front of the post office, and as she was exiting the vehicle, an angry little man lectured her about the absence of the “safety” sticker on the truck. Since he had to waste his time and money on a “safety” inspection, it infuriated him to see someone else who had not yet submitted. Rather than be angry with the Police State and its minions, he had become a minion himself.

We see this kind of thing all over nowadays. Most recently in the tattle-tale campaigns of the Department of Heimat Sicherheitsdeinst that counsel, “If you see something, say something.” For example, there’s the case of Brian Loftus. He went to a local gun store and bought several boxes of ammunition for target shooting. Still legal in this land of the allegedly free. Except, someone “saw something” –and “said something.” Which led to Loftus being telephoned and interrogated by the state police. (See here for the story and a video of Loftus.) In Cloverstan – er, America –there is no problem. Loftus should accept that the state police police were just “trying to keep us safe.” Clover cannot fathom the man’s anger; in fact, it makes Clover angry that anyone would get angry about such a thing.

After all, if he had nothing to hide… .

Similarly, the also-recent case of a sixteen-year-old student who got a visit from FBI thugs because of the pro Ron Paul (and police state critical) video he had put together for his high school government class. “We need to talk to your son,” the FBI thugs intoned when the kid’s mother answered the doorbell. They then tried to intimidate the kid into becoming an informant. To infiltrate – and rat out – online groups and individuals that seem to have an “anti-government” (that is, pro-liberty) attitude. He declined. (See here for that story.)

On the road, Clover goes ballistic when someone else declines to obey “the law” – not because of any objective danger, but because they have declined to obey. It drives them absolutely out of their minds. And the assertion that it’s not any “danger” represented by the law-ignorers, but rather the fact that they have dared to ignore the law, that enrages the Clover is clearly backed-up by the classic example of the Clover who uses his car to prevent another car from passing. Though the Clover reviles “speeders,” he himself will speed – in order to thwart a passing attempt by another driver. He will use his car to block other cars – deliberately, recklessly. Because he cannot stand the idea that anyone might violate the law he worships in the same way that a jungle savage worships a shrunken head.

Clovers at the airport get upset when a traveler dares to assert his fourth amendment rights. Clovers manned the camps in Germany and Soviet Russia, in Cambodia and Cuba. And they will man them here, too.

Clover cannot abide outliers, people who prefer to live their own lives (and leave others free to live theirs). It is exactly like the medieval church and its anathemas and burnings at the stake; its insistence upon absolute catholicism – and utter submission. Any deviation from the orthodoxy cannot be tolerated – not because the “deviant” seeks to deconstruct the hierarchical coercive collectivism of the institution –but merely because he wishes to be free of it. Which amounts to the same thing. Because if someone is allowed to be free – to go in peace – then potentially, everyone may go in peace.

And that simply cannot be tolerated.

Clover knows it – and will literally kill to prevent it.

Cloverism represents humanity’s Dark Ages – an atavistic (perhaps stunted is the better word) intellectual-moral mindset that lingers still, despite the surface trappings of modernity, technology and civilization – and which always threatens to return humanity to a literal Dark Age.

If enough of us allow that to happen.
 

Falligator

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Obamas president!!! The Nazis are coming...the US is turning communist...IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AGAIN!!! Lmao
 

Ragman

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These guys would like to talk to all the right wing wackos that keep comparing the government to nazis.

:mad:

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layoutshooter

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Funny how those people look EXACTLY the same as people held by RIGHT wing extremists AND LEFT wing extremists. Nazis, Marxists, both share on thing, EVIL. They never rest. One must constantly be on guard. To believe that things like that cannot happen again, or happen here, is to assist those who would do this.
 

Ragman

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One must constantly be on guard.

I totally agree with that statement. One must always be on guard. However, with that said, I still have faith that our system of checks and balances will prevent those kind of atrocities from occuring.
 

layoutshooter

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I totally agree with that statement. One must always be on guard. However, with that said, I still have faith that our system of checks and balances will prevent those kind of atrocities from occuring.

Those checks and balances are being eroded daily, as it the Constitution. Congress no longer reads, let alone writes laws. Presidents are using regulatory agencies to bypass Congress and institute 'ideas' as they please. What part of what is going on today makes you feel that the checks and balances set up under the Constitution are working? :confused: Example: Into today's world the word 'penalty' is synonymous with the word 'tax'. We have 'czars' who have budgets and only report to the president WITHOUT congressional oversight. Just asking.
 

Ragman

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Those checks and balances are being eroded daily, as it the Constitution. Congress no longer reads, let alone writes laws. Presidents are using regulatory agencies to bypass Congress and institute 'ideas' as they please. What part of what is going on today makes you feel that the checks and balances set up under the Constitution are working? :confused: Example: Into today's world the word 'penalty' is synonymous with the word 'tax'. We have 'czars' who have budgets and only report to the president WITHOUT congressional oversight. Just asking.

I never said we do not have some major problems and issues that need to be corrected.

I just get irritated by the constant comparison to nazis. Sorry, not the same, not close, not even in the same universe.
 

layoutshooter

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I never said we do not have some major problems and issues that need to be corrected.

I just get irritated by the constant comparison to nazis. Sorry, not the same, not close, not even in the same universe.

Only time will tell. There are many similarities both to extreme right and left wing policy in this administration. A trend that has been in place for a very long time. Seems to be no end in sight. Redistribution of wealth. Control of private industry wages and production by political appointees. I agree, we are not there, yet, be we are headed down a VERY slippery slope and we are on the steep part of the grade. At this point, nothing would surprise me.
 

Ragman

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Only time will tell. There are many similarities both to extreme right and left wing policy in this administration. A trend that has been in place for a very long time. Seems to be no end in sight. Redistribution of wealth. Control of private industry wages and production by political appointees. I agree, we are not there, yet, be we are headed down a VERY slippery slope and we are on the steep part of the grade. At this point, nothing would surprise me.

I guess a good Hunker would help ease your worries. ;)
 

AMonger

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I never said we do not have some major problems and issues that need to be corrected.

I just get irritated by the constant comparison to nazis. Sorry, not the same, not close, not even in the same universe.

The term "safety Nazi" is used to describe someone who manages your life, nanny-state-wise, through the power of government. No strict comparison to Nazis is made.
 

Ragman

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The term "safety Nazi" is used to describe someone who manages your life, nanny-state-wise, through the power of government. No strict comparison to Nazis is made.



Clovers manned the camps in Germany and Soviet Russia, in Cambodia and Cuba. And they will man them here, too.

Comparison made - IMO
 

moose

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I have big book in my truck that was written by my late "Opa".
it describes in very detailed the day to day 'lifestyle' my large family had in Germany from mid 1,800 till late 1939, when the survivors were on the last passengers train to leave Germany borders.
a true line of heroic & miracles.
i know all too very well what kind of true evil was presented there.
with all do respect to Obama, he doesn't even comes close.
i have no worry what so ever. this level of evilness will never be repeated & will never show it's ugly face here in America.
next thing you know, they use evil to sale shampoo ...Ooop's they already did that Fury over Hitler shampoo ad | The Sun |News
the use of Nazis to promote an political agenda is no better.
I'd buy the shampoo before I'll vote for the guy disrespecting my very own family heroic symbols .
 
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skyraider

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US Navy
Funny how those people look EXACTLY the same as people held by RIGHT wing extremists AND LEFT wing extremists. Nazis, Marxists, both share on thing, EVIL. They never rest. One must constantly be on guard. To believe that things like that cannot happen again, or happen here, is to assist those who would do this.

did they not have all their guns removed?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I have big book in my truck that was written by my late "Opa".
it describes in very detailed the day to day 'lifestyle' my large family had in Germany from mid 1,800 till late 1939, when the survivors were on the last passengers train to leave Germany borders.
a true line of heroic & miracles.
i know all too very well what kind of true evil was presented there.
with all do respect to Obama, he doesn't even comes close.
i have no worry what so ever. this level of evilness will never be repeated & will never show it's ugly face here in America.
next thing you know, they use evil to sale shampoo ...Ooop's they already did that Fury over Hitler shampoo ad | The Sun |News
the use of Nazis to promote an political agenda is no better.
I'd buy the shampoo before I'll vote for the guy disrespecting my very own family heroic symbols .


It HAS been repeated, and exceeded. Stalin murdered more than Hitler did. It has happened, is happening and will continue to happen, until we FINALLY stand up to it. There is no place on earth safe from that horror.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
the use of Nazis to promote an political agenda is no better.

This is what irritates me the most. The constant comparison from both sides to the nazis.

This must stop!!!

Disagree if you must, It is permitted, even encouraged. That is the American way, but stop the nazi comparison.

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P.S. Rant over
 

AMonger

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Comparison made - IMO

"UPON FURTHER REVIEW(review-ew-ew), THE WRITER DID, INDEED, MAKE A NAZI REFERENCE(-eference). THE CALL ON THE FIELD IS OVER-RULED, AND THE CHALLENGE STANDS. FIRST DOWN--RAGMAN."

However...Nazis were the the ultimate statists. The difference is only a matter of degree.
 

Turtle

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As soon as the government starts making lampshades out of human skin, that's when it's time to worry, because the checks and balances are no longer working, and the rest of the world is turning a blind eye.
 

davekc

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Like I said before, no worries. China would take over long before that happened. They have too much invested.
 
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