How much control should government bureaucrats have

[clcooper]

over YOUR children or YOU

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com...nt-school-steams-parents-over-lunch-controls/


"according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting ." keep allowing that Excuses

 

[Turtle]

The story linked is somewhat misleading and factually inaccurate about critical details, as is the case with many of these stories.

The incident happened two weeks ago at an elementary school in Raeford, near Fort Bragg. The girl's parents, rather than dealing directly with the person they have a problem with (A.K.A., the school or the teacher), they made faulty assumptions and promptly and anonymously tipped off a Raleigh TV station and a conservative blogger after the girl brought home her packed lunch uneaten.

The story has to blatant assumptions that are false.

"A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because the school told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious."

Not true. The school did not tell the 4-year old any such thing.


"The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting all lunch boxes in the More at Four classroom that day."

Also not true. There was no interpretation, and they do not inspect "all lunch boxes" at the school.


The lunchroom details of the story is true, the girl did eat a school lunch instead of the bagged lunch, "but rather than an example of government "lunch bag police" overruling a family, it's an embarrassing lapse by a teacher, Hoke County Schools Assistant Superintendent Bob Barnes said Thursday. The girl's teacher should have handed the child a carton of milk to round out the turkey-and-cheese sandwich and banana she brought from home. Instead, the teacher erred by telling the tyke to get a cafeteria lunch, Barnes said."

The U.S. Agriculture Department defines a "healthy lunch" for preschool and elementary schools as being a serving of milk, two servings of fruits or vegetables, one serving of grain, and one serving of meat or protein. But that's for school-provided lunches. The regulations and definitions apply to the schools, not to the kids or the parents. "USDA does not regulate sack lunches or any other food children bring from home to eat at school. That is a responsibility for parents, not the federal government," USDA spokeswoman Courtney Rowe said. A reading of the actual laws confirms that, incidentally.

The girl's teacher should have handed the child a carton of milk to round out the turkey-and-cheese sandwich and banana she brought from home. Instead, the teacher erred by telling the tyke to get a cafeteria lunch, Barnes said.

"We do not go over and stare down every child's lunch," Barnes said. "If you looked at the lunch the child had, I'd love to have that lunch today. However, there are occasions that kids bring lunches that aren't that complete, and that's why we try to supplement them with the things that they need to make it a complete lunch."

Barnes said the school is apologizing to the child's parents for startling the girl and sending her through a cafeteria line she was unaccustomed to.

"I am so sorry this happened to this little girl," Barnes said. "On that day, the policy wasn't followed, and hey, we're the grown folks here. That's our fault. The teacher never should have sent that little girl into that line. She should have gone over and picked up the missing item and brought it to her."

The girl's name was withheld for her privacy, Barnes said. A state legislator contacted by the family did not return a call from The Associated Press seeking comment.

"The mistake isn't a sign teachers are delving into diet details where they don't belong," Barnes said.

"We're not trying to force government down anybody's throat. All we're trying to do is make sure that our children get a good education and a nutritious meal every day," Barnes said. "It comes back to: We had an employee who made a mistake."

So there ya go. There are no what "ifs here", no "what abouts" to deal with. The teacher made a mistake and the parents knee-jerked and componded the mistake. You can believe the truth and go about your business, or you can believe the lie and stay good and frothy. Up to you.

 

[cableguymn]

Regardless of the facts of this case. it's things like this that lead my wife and I to pull our kids out of the public schools. Starting Monday one is home schooled and the other won the lottery to get in to a private school (fer free).

Both of my kids are well trained to yell at me for tossing a soda can in the trash, or moving my car in the driveway with out my seat belt. my 7 year old can't do simple math and my 4 year old can't tell you 1+1.. But both of them can tell me why recycling is good, how people are ruining the earth and other "crap" that does not really have a place in the 3 R's.

The 7 year old use to gush about Obama as well. Since "Obama" is a dirty word in my home it came from her school. That was the last straw. While history and politics do have a place in schools pushing a particular party does not.

 

[layoutshooter]

Why should the teacher even give the kid some milk to 'round out' the meal? Even THAT is going too far. It is none of the governments business what we eat or feed our kids.

I know, I know, kids are fat. Maybe they should bring back recess and dodge ball. Have the kids WALK to school.

Be concerned, any time the government is doing something for "our own good" it is likely socialism/tyranny in action. We will be as bad as Sweden soon.

Home schooling will be next on the "hit list" with this bunch.

 

[Turtle]

Regardless of the facts of this case. it's things like this that lead my wife and I to pull our kids out of the public schools.

Regardless of the facts of the case? It's things like what? Things like a teacher making a mistake? That's funny. So, you pulled your kids out of public school because private school and home school teachers never make mistakes?

Or is it because schools have milk available for kids who want it, and you think that's wrong?

This story is about one teacher who made a mistake and it quickly got blown out of proportion to be way, way bigger than it is. It's that simple. People can choose to react to the overblown wrong version based on wrong facts and assumption, or gather information with which to make an informed decision.

Why should the teacher even give the kid some milk to 'round out' the meal?

Because the parents signed up for the school lunch program specifically for that purpose. Makes a lot more sense than the parents sending the kid off to school toting an unrefrigerated carton of milk for lunch.

Even THAT is going too far. It is none of the governments business what we eat or feed our kids.

No, it's not their business, but when the government does provide the lunch, it must be done according to certain guidelines. The kid doesn't have to drink the milk, ya know.

I know, I know, kids are fat. Maybe they should bring back recess and dodge ball. Have the kids WALK to school.

What does fat, recess, dodge ball or walking to school have to do with a teacher making a bone-head mistake?

Be concerned, any time the government is doing something for "our own good" it is likely socialism/tyranny in action. We will be as bad as Sweden soon.

I'm more concerned with someone who can't tell the difference between a teacher's mistake and a govermnental policy.

Home schooling will be next on the "hit list" with this bunch.

With this bunch? What bunch? It's one teacher, who made a mistake. Bunch?


It never ceases to amaze me how some people would rather be outraged, ignorant and frothy, rather than simply be informed, despite the latter requiring more effort than the former.

 

[layoutshooter]

Regardless of the facts of the case? It's things like what? Things like a teacher making a mistake? That's funny. So, you pulled your kids out of public school because private school and home school teachers never make mistakes?

Or is it because schools have milk available for kids who want it, and you think that's wrong?

This story is about one teacher who made a mistake and it quickly got blown out of proportion to be way, way bigger than it is. It's that simple. People can choose to react to the overblown wrong version based on wrong facts and assumption, or gather information with which to make an informed decision.


Because the parents signed up for the school lunch program specifically for that purpose. Makes a lot more sense than the parents sending the kid off to school toting an unrefrigerated carton of milk for lunch.

No, it's not their business, but when the government does provide the lunch, it must be done according to certain guidelines. The kid doesn't have to drink the milk, ya know.

What does fat, recess, dodge ball or walking to school have to do with a teacher making a bone-head mistake?

I'm more concerned with someone who can't tell the difference between a teacher's mistake and a govermnental policy.

With this bunch? What bunch? It's one teacher, who made a mistake. Bunch?


It never ceases to amaze me how some people would rather be outraged, ignorant and frothy, rather than simply be informed, despite the latter requiring more effort than the former.

The government should not have a 'school lunch program'. parents should feed their own kids. The federal government should not even be involved in education or nutrition. Then the teacher could not have made a 'mistake' and would have to mind their own business. They are 'teachers' not nutrition experts or federal guide line enforcers.

Obese kids and their 'cost' to public medicine are one of the primary reasons these programs and guide lines exist. Along with 'poverty'. Solving either of these so called problems are not government functions.

Yes, this was just another thing taken out of context or used for other purposes . Happens all the time. Yet, if the government was not involved in the first place it would never happen.

Teachers should teach. Government should remain within the bounds of the Constitution. People would then have a far better chance of working things out for themselves.

 

[Turtle]

We disagree there. I don't see anything wrong at all with a school building having a cafeteria where the students can eat their lunch, whether they bring it from home or buy it at the school.

 

[layoutshooter]

We disagree there. I don't see anything wrong at all with a school building having a cafeteria where the students can eat their lunch, whether they bring it from home or buy it at the school.

You miss my point or I did not make it clear. I am not opposed to the room being made available or to lunch being sold. I am only opposed to the federal or state governments being involved in it, in any way, shape or form.

It is also not needed. We did not have a cafeteria in the school that I went to through the 8th grade. We ate lunch in the social hall. We lived, we did JUST fine. Parents packed lunches. No one starved. Most of us were not fat. (the fat came later in life). There were no government 'guide lines'. We just learned, played and grew. We did not know who was 'poor' or 'rich' since every one wore the same uniform. Too bad we did not have the government to interfere, eh? We were not taught to be 'victims' in need of their help.

 

[cableguymn]

We disagree there. I don't see anything wrong at all with a school building having a cafeteria where the students can eat their lunch, whether they bring it from home or buy it at the school.

That is fine. However, when the school starts dictating what the kid can or can not eat. You loose me.

 

[AMonger]

It is also not needed. We did not have a cafeteria in the school that I went to through the 8th grade. We ate lunch in the social hall. We lived, we did JUST fine. Parents packed lunches. No one starved. Most of us were not fat. (the fat came later in life). There were no government 'guide lines'. We just learned, played and grew. We did not know who was 'poor' or 'rich' since every one wore the same uniform. Too bad we did not have the government to interfere, eh? We were not taught to be 'victims' in need of their help.

Unfortunately, society is different today. The way we got by even 30 years ago is likely beyond the milquetoasts and pantywaists of today. And ironically, the bulk of it is probably due to the schools who have spent more time on indoctrination than education, and parents who expect the gummint to raise their children and care for everybody cradle-to-grave. So, as bad as it is, a huge portion of families probably aren't capable (finances aside) of raising and properly feeding a child.

It's a brave, new world, LOS.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[AMonger]

?

I'm more concerned with someone who can't tell the difference between a teacher's mistake and a govermnental policy.

Well, not so fast...

THIS JUST IN:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exc...-lunch-replaced-for-not-being-healthy-enough/

Apparently, this incident isn't so isolated.
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[Turtle]

A Blaze exclusive? Yeah, take that to the bank.

 

[AMonger]

Yeah, I know... The Blaze & WND aren't exactly paragons of journalism. But it's enough to say, "Hey, wait a minute...let's not wrap this caper up so fast."

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[layoutshooter]

30 years ago? LOL! I wish it was ONLY 30 years ago. It has been more that 40 since I left high school!

Our needs today, in this regard, are no different than they were 40 years ago than they are today. Far too many today feel that they are entitled to more. Too bad, fewer 'luxuries' make for stronger, more self reliant people. Which is exactly what the government is trying to eliminate. Self reliant, strong people, cannot be controlled.

 

[AMonger]

30 years ago? LOL! I wish it was ONLY 30 years ago. It has been more that 40 since I left high school!

And you would agree, would you not, that, though we would have been considered soft by out grandparents, individuals were far more capable and independent even 30 years ago than today, and the margin grows bigger with each decade in the past? Individual responsibility has withered, and gummint power has grown as progressives take more and more with each generation.

Did you see on a scale anywhere near today fellow students whose parents couldn't seem to care for them (again, finances aside)? Parents were far more responsible back then. Remember when the term "latchkey kid" came into being? When I was young, and when you were young, most kids had a mother at home, one who wasn't herself raised by a latchkey kid and by the television set.

There was a Contemporary Christian song by De Garmo & Key that talks of society's moral decline. It's called It's A Shame. It goes:
Johnny is something special
Already knows how to read
He's got a stereo
He's got MTV
He knows about evolution
They teach it in school every day
They talk about Marx & Lenin
but they don't pray

It's a shame, shame, shame
It's a shame, a shame to see
Shame, shame, shame
Shame on you, shame on me

...

It's up to you and it's up to me
We are the children of light
There is a time to be on our knees
And there's a time to stand and fight

I recall that song and think of how dated it sounds. Wow, a stereo and MTV!

Well, the moral rot is another matter. The pertinent thing is that even 30 years ago, not only did we not need the gummint to check school lunches, we wouldn't have stood for it. And 50 years ago, maybe any gummint official who tried this would have been escorted from town, and none-too-gently. But somewhere between your school days and mine, it was decided that the freedom to fail that goes along with freedom was unacceptable, and we discarded both.

(When I typed this, I included carriage returns in the appropriate places. They don't show up when displayed on tapatalk on an Android device. I hope it isn't too difficult to read.)
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[layoutshooter]

I had it much easier than my grandparents. My kids, however, have no more than I did. I made sure of that.

 

[clcooper]

That is fine. However, when the school starts dictating what the kid can or can not eat. You loose me.

dictating what we can or can not. some want it that way because they are the ones that want to be dictating ones

 

[clcooper]

You miss my point or I did not make it clear. I am not opposed to the room being made available or to lunch being sold. I am only opposed to the federal or state governments being involved in it, in any way, shape or form.

It is also not needed. We did not have a cafeteria in the school that I went to through the 8th grade. We ate lunch in the social hall. We lived, we did JUST fine. Parents packed lunches. No one starved. Most of us were not fat. (the fat came later in life). There were no government 'guide lines'. We just learned, played and grew. We did not know who was 'poor' or 'rich' since every one wore the same uniform. Too bad we did not have the government to interfere, eh? We were not taught to be 'victims' in need of their help.

you also didnt have cell phones back then either . or even gasoline engines . and you did just fine before the cell phones and the gasoline engine also . so start hauling your freight on your horse and buggy .
and back then you didnt have that many children going to school like there is today .

years ago they had to use spears to put food on the table . then they got the bow. then the flintlock . and then the guns that both you and me know of today . but by you we should still be using spears . we should not move forward .

I had it much easier than my grandparents. My kids, however, have no more than I did. I made sure of that.

you had it much easier than your grandparents but you wont let your kids have it easier then you . you know what you are

 

[clcooper]

so you dont want the government to control .but you want to do the controling .

Turtle where are you getting your informtiom that this story and others are misleading and factually inaccurate about critical details.

"incident happened two weeks ago" what since it happened two weeks ago we should just forget about it .

where does it say that the parents need to go to who you say they need too.

"Not true. The school did not tell the 4-year old any such thing. "
how do you know were you there and hear it with your OWN ears . or is that what you read on your faverte news sorce

"they do not inspect "all lunch boxes" at the school."
"Instead, the teacher erred by telling the tyke to get a cafeteria lunch, Barnes said."
"USDA does not regulate sack lunches or any other food children bring from home to eat at school."

so they do inspect the lunch boxes but not all . so the child that this is about . was his or her box inspected . must have been because why did the KGB teacher tell the child to get a cafeteria lunch .
yep the USDA doesnt but the school does

While history and politics do have a place in schools pushing a particular party does not.

you are so right . but now watch out you may have lost a few because this thread is about food not politics .and some cant think that much only one thing at a time .

Regardless of the facts of the case? Things like a teacher making a mistake? That's funny. .

yes thats funny because the teacher is to be a professional

This story is about one teacher who made a mistake and it quickly got blown out of proportion to be way, way bigger than it is. It's that simple. People can choose to react to the overblown wrong version based on wrong facts and assumption, or gather information with which to make an informed decision. .

just like they did with HITLER

Because the parents signed up for the school lunch program specifically for that purpose. Makes a lot more sense than the parents sending the kid off to school toting an unrefrigerated carton of milk for lunch. .

my son eats at school and i never signed him up for the school lunch program . if some of you would REALLY know what you are talking about it would make it alot easier. most schools the children have to pay for their lunchs. i say most because i know there is a few that are in low income areas . because at my school they have free , redused, and then regaler prices and if you want a extre milk it is more .

I'm more concerned with someone who can't tell the difference between a teacher's mistake and a govermnental policy. .

i am more concerned with the people who cant tell that the teacher is a government employee.

With this bunch? What bunch? It's one teacher, who made a mistake. Bunch?.

yep this stuff never happen before . oh you are the type that cant remember

We disagree there. I don't see anything wrong at all with a school building having a cafeteria where the students can eat their lunch, whether they bring it from home or buy it at the school.

i agree with you on this . but like a few others they had to sit outside in 3 foot of snow to eat their lunch .they think everybody else should also

A Blaze exclusive? Yeah, take that to the bank.

so is your news outlet any better

 

[Ragman]

Geez coop, why all the anger and hostility?

First it was about drinking kool-aid, then it was KKK, now Hitler.

KKK and Hitler, two of the most evil, horrendous travesties mankind has ever produced.

Please stop using these in your attemps to get your point across. Nobody, I mean, nobody on this board deserves to be compared to them.