How Many Blind People Visit EO?

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ATeam

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Are there any blind people using screen readers to visit this site? If so, I'd love to hear from you, either here in the Open Forum or by private message.

I am curious to know because I know of a number of people who are not truckers and never will be, but are still interested in the trucker's life and work. I have heard from several who regularly read trucker blogs and forums. Their interest is akin to that of an expediter who has never driven a train, and never will, but is interested in all things railroad.

If it turns out that even a few non-sighted people are reading these words, it will help me to know that building screen reader accessibility into my web site, and rising to comply with Web Accessibility Initiative guidlines, is worth the time it takes.
 

Moot

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Will you be tailoring your posts and blogs to people who suffer from narcolepsy and attention deficit disorder?
 

RichM

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Charter Member
Of course he will as lets face it,The man is a an expert on expediting plus a million other vocations.
 

Packmule

Expert Expediter
Goodtude,,,,You have made my boring day worth getting up for!!:)
But think about it....how many times have you thought or yelled at some trucker "Hey watch it you blind SOB"!!!!!!:mad: They're out there so why not come to EO?:cool:

What does Phil have in mind for the Anal retentive among us?:confused:

Go for it Phil...May pickup a few extra hits on the site!?!
 

davekc

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What a thread.
Go ahead and do it, and then tell us if it was worth it.:confused:
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
If it turns out that even a few non-sighted people are reading these words, it will help me to know that building screen reader accessibility into my web site, and rising to comply with Web Accessibility Initiative guidlines, is worth the time it takes.

Phil, if you are truly concerned whether or not non-sighted people will have access to your site, then it's "worth the time it takes". You shouldn't have to ask.
 

Dreamer

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OK folks, I gotta jump in here. I am personally offended, and disapointed by the responses to this post. We actually get Ateam posting something that is of concern to a thousands of people in the US and he gets blasted for it.

I know FOR A FACT that there are people with vision handicaps who read Expediters Online EVERY DAY. They use 'reading' devices, screen magnifyers, and other devices. There are programs that convert the screen to spoken word as Phil was talking about, but sites must be set to handle them. I'm sure that some of those people would love to read the blog of some of you drivers. They will NEVER be drivers, but they love to read about what life in the 'outside' world is like.

There are many people in this world with disabilities, and I give kudos to Phil for thinking of them. You might take a little time to read up on the WAI yourself. WAI compliance will open things up for a lot of people.

Dale

Web Accessibility Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World Wide Web Consortium - Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
http://www.w3.org/WAI/

AWARE Center accessible web authoring resources and education center
http://aware.hwg.org/

Trace Research and Development Center
http://www.trace.wisc.edu/

The High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges
http://www.htctu.fhda.edu/divisions/webaccess/main.htm

Department of Justice, Section 508 Home Page
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/508/508home.html

University of Oregon, Designing Web Accessibility for People with Disabilities
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~atl/web_acs.htm

Accessible Web Page Design
http://www.makoa.org/web-desi.htm

W3C Validation Service
http://validator.w3.org
 
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Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
I have a disability myself... doesn't stop me from joking about it.

There are plenty of things I will never do.

I'm not going to bawl over it.

I'm going to move forward and do what I can do.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ahhh Dreamer..The voice of reason!

Now you other 5 or 6 children..Don't you feel ashamed that you mocked ATeam?

Visually impaired access to the internet is a serious issue.

You can bet if Lawerence had of asked, the responses would have been more civil.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Are there any blind people using screen readers to visit this site? If so, I'd love to hear from you, either here in the Open Forum or by private message.

I am curious to know because I know of a number of people who are not truckers and never will be, but are still interested in the trucker's life and work. I have heard from several who regularly read trucker blogs and forums. Their interest is akin to that of an expediter who has never driven a train, and never will, but is interested in all things railroad.

If it turns out that even a few non-sighted people are reading these words, it will help me to know that building screen reader accessibility into my web site, and rising to comply with Web Accessibility Initiative guidlines, is worth the time it takes.
Phil,
I have a message from one who is legally blind. I just had to call him about this, he is one of my former clients.


He is on the phone and says that “yes I read all different sites with two different readers, one I test for IBM and the other I bought. I have read EO recently and am curious about trucks. I never rode in a truck… and most likely won’t for a while. My last ride was in a B17 and it was not what I expected, like skydiving. A-team, don’t worry about setting up your website for me or others like me, just keep it simple and the reader has no problems reading it. If you put Ads and have a lot of b******* flash or make the page flashy with more crap than substance, the reader chokes on it and is really useless to anyone. For many of us blind people, the issue is not accessibility but usability and we can’t have that with flash menus, you know what I mean?”

Oh and “wouldn’t the question be more appropriate on some web expert forum, than here?”

Dreamer,
After dealing with this gentleman on building his website for him (and others in the disabled community) and who has me on hold now for 15 minutes, I got to tell you that simple pages are the best. I used his readers (IBM and Adobe beta products) to test things out when I was developing the front end of his site (the non-ecommerce part of it) and I think that there are issues with accessibility strictly with commercial sites, like an ecommerce site or health care sites. This is where efforts should be focused, not blogs or forums.

See when you use Blog software, like Word Press, some of these issues go away if you have a valid style sheet site. I went from home built templates to professional stuff because I got tire of dealing with the style sheet redress on major overhauls. All my sites are validated, the three new ones I put up for people are more then validated, they are mobile. It goes for forums to a point, there are some special things that need to be done with many of the out of the box software but that is for another time.

I know that some website developers use the latest technology, like the up and coming Microsoft silverlight or some other stuff without understanding compatibility issues outside of an IE browser. I try hard to tell my ‘clients’ not to fall into the trap that you need to have flash or some other ‘web tool’ to make your site look good. But I also push two other issues with them, mobile web services (or what I call thin services) and compatibility across the 7 or 8 browsers.

With this gentleman who still has me on hold, he has an ecommerce site running for fellow blind people (I use that term because he will remind me that he is not visually impaired or some other PC term he said to me the first time I said visually impaired that people see him clearly, he is not naturally blurred) and he has used the same software that I setup for a lot of places without modifications.

Well back to the conversation… bye…
 

Packmule

Expert Expediter
Phil, Dreamer, and others,

Sorry if my comments were off color or rude. Phil's post just came from so for left field at the moment that I just could not resist going with the flow. No insensitivity meant to those with impairments or the development of ways to help them.
As I said, At that moment it just really seemed to come from far left field and opened up a new door to walk into and pass a jab or two. All in fun not trying to beat on anyone.

By the way, Lawrence DIDN'T write that post so I can't be sure how the response might have been since it is HIS web site.
Phil on the other hand,was inquiring on this site to gain information for HIS site. I am sure Phil wants to help others as much as he can and was only testing the water to see if the need was really there.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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Danny I understand it was poking fun at the author not the subject...but considering the topic sometimes saying nothing is more prudent?
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
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You've got it so wrong on this 'tude. This is a great place for anyone that's curious about expediting, whether they ever intend to do it or not. Isn't that what the Internet's for?

Has there been a thread locked since the format change?
 
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