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AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Thanks to the new capitalist system they can elect a private clinic to have it done....:)

It is called progress...the US should try it....

I agree, but we have lurched so far to the extreme left over the last 30 years, privatization is a dirty word down here.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
so what all these pages, comes down to really simple....

Welfare is NOT a Federal issue, but a state issue.....I would go on to say...IF
The federal government believes they have the majority of the peoples support....only way to settle the issue...an Amendment. there would be 4 or 5 here not happy and again accuse the government of ballet box stuffing..:rolleyes:.LOL

and around we go again.....LOL

Even if they made it legal via amendment, it would still be unethical and immoral.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
These are the ones I am refering to. If one is truly in need, I feel the right thing to do as a society, is to help. It is the right thing to do.

It's the right thing to do as INDIVIDUALS, or voluntary groups. It isn't right for you to hire a thug to extract money from strangers as they walk down the street, even if the money is going toward what you believe is a good cause.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I agree, but we have lurched so far to the extreme left over the last 30 years, privatization is a dirty word down here.

Unions hate privatization..Ont.....privatized the DOT(snow removal), the licensing divison as well...
Post office outlets are all private run...most garbage removal is private...
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Even if they made it legal via amendment, it would still be unethical and immoral.

I've said all I care to say on this subject.
I guess our society has become cold hearted enough to condem those that need help.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Here's an exchange with my cousin, the cop, that touched on the charity issue:

>Now perhaps you understand the difference. >

Yes, I'm sure that was the difference at one time many years ago. More accurately, it goes like this:

A demon-crat and a re-dumb-lican are walking down the street. They come upon a homeless guy. Moved with compassion, the demon-crat pulls a gun, grabs the next passer-by, sticks the gun in his belly, and forces him to give $20 to the homeless guy.

The re-dumb-lican is horrified. Not believing what he just witnessed, he berates the demon-crat on how unethical it is to take $20 from someone to redistribute to someone else.

While everyone there considers his words, he snatches the $20 back, makes change, pockets $15 for administrative fees, gives the homeless man $2.50, and returns $2.50 to the passerby.

"There!" he tells the passerby. "Boy, what is it with the democrats with their tax and spend, tax and spend?"

Just then, a libertarian who watched the whole thing walked up. He pulled a gun, forced the demon-crat to holster his firearm, returned the money to its rightful owner, but then encouraged him and other passersby to donate a couple bucks. He raised $400, none of which went towards administrative fees.

The homeless man rented a room, cleaned himself up, went to JC Penney and bought some clothes, and went out and got a job. Everybody who saw this transpire wised up and threw all the demon-crat and re-dumb-lican thieves out of office and replaced them with libertarians and other strict constitutional constructionists. Ron Paul was elected president.

Hillary Clinton, her husband, Chuckie Schumer, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Diane Feinstein, the entire Supreme Court, and everybody else who served in congress in the last 30 years were stripped of their citizenship and deported to places where the form of government suits them better: Cuba, North Korea, and China.

Abortion was outlawed from coast to coast. All gun laws except those against using them in the commission of a crime were abolished. All able-bodied males were issued fully-automatic weapons on their 18th birthday and were taught to use them to defend the republic against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

All troops on foreign soil were brought home over the next few years. The few terrorists who continued to hold a grudge observed how Americans were ready, willing, and able to blow their heads off and so were afraid to take any offensive action. Islam soon thereafter came to be viewed as the vile, ****able, false religion that it is and it soon died out. Its adherents converted to Christianity and worshipped Jesus. They entered seminary, trained as evangelists, and went to China and India to convert the rest of the false religions.

The End. ...... Original Message ...... "Steve wrote: >Difference Between Democrats & Republicans > >Perhaps those who are unable to understand the basic difference between the two might appreciate this simplistic but all too accurate comparison: > >A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his office for a job. He then took $20.00 out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person. > >The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and took $20.00. He kept $15 for administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5. > >Now perhaps you understand the difference.
 

davekc

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Staff member
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I've said all I care to say on this subject.
I guess our society has become cold hearted enough to condem those that need help.

No I don't think so. We are the most charitable nation on the globe.
There is a huge difference between helping people and giving money to people who don't deserve it.
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
No I don't think so. We are the most charitable nation on the globe.
There is a huge difference between helping people and giving money to people who don't deserve it.

Dave, You yourself used the term "dire need". If we can't help those in "dire need", and call such help - unethical and immoral, then we have indeed become cold hearted and condem those that need a helping hand.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
No I don't think so. We are the most charitable nation on the globe.
There is a huge difference between helping people and giving money to people who don't deserve it.

The difficult thing is separating the 2....there are those who work the system and milk it for all its worth and then there is the real needy...
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
The difficult thing is separating the 2....there are those who work the system and milk it for all its worth and then there is the real needy...

No difficulty. The folks who are in "dire need" aren't the ones with cars, houses, xboxes, big screen tv's, air conditioning .......and so forth.
No problem at all telling the two apart.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I've said all I care to say on this subject.
I guess our society has become cold hearted enough to condem those that need help.

What would thaw it is getting the gummint out of it, and let private organizations run charitable operations. They're far better at it, and can means-test. Theft isn't generosity.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Dave, You yourself used the term "dire need". If we can't help those in "dire need", and call such help - unethical and immoral, then we have indeed become cold hearted and condem those that need a helping hand.

Nobody's come out against help, in and of itself, for the needy. What several of us have said is it's immoral, unethical, and illegal to FORCE people to give via taxation. Private charity--that's compassion.
 
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