EnglishLady
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That is really sad - IMO that statement justifies all the evil that went on in all Wars - where the enemy starved/withheld food & basic medical care from POW's.
How free are we?
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That is really sad - IMO that statement justifies all the evil that went on in all Wars - where the enemy starved/withheld food & basic medical care from POW's.
and that is where the political struggles come in....The US is one of the few countries where by law one could starve to death legally....
IF a certain people had their way...
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
That is exactly what i am saying...being born does NOT entitle anyone to anything...you (a general you) are more then welcome to pursue food drink and medical care...you are not entitled to them....the people that brought you into this world are those that "should" provide and once you have reach the age of manjotity, then you are then responcible for yourself...to expect anyone else to provide for you simply because you were born is not nothing more than criminal...
Oh and i can also understand that the UN would have something like the Declaration of Human rights and expect everyone to abide by it...they are after all "Criminal Organization"....you might want to look into the "Deeds" of those done to women and children around the world by those given power by the UN....
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I don't think EL is saying that....so extreme...
First, the UN Declaration of Human Rights had the US as a major sponsor and signatory. But it is a declaration, not a binding treaty. Its purpose is to motivate, not legislate. It's a product primarily of Eleanor Roosevelt and the French. It wad hoped that it would (and largely has) motivate the world much in the same way the Declaration of Independent motivated the US.
Second, fundamental inalienable human rights are rights which have existed since before governments were invented. They are natural rights.Essentially the same rights that squirrels and hedgehogs enjoy today. Cavemen, for example were not entitled to anything other than what they went out and killed and dragged home. They weren't entitled to a standard of living, they weren't entitled to health care, and neither are people today. Wanting something really, really badly is not necessarily the same as being entitled to it. People aren't entitled to a MRI today any more than they were 200 years ago.
Second, fundamental inalienable human rights are rights which have existed since before governments were invented. They are natural rights.Essentially the same rights that squirrels and hedgehogs enjoy today. Cavemen, for example were not entitled to anything other than what they went out and killed and dragged home. They weren't entitled to a standard of living, they weren't entitled to health care, and neither are people today. Wanting something really, really badly is not necessarily the same as being entitled to it. People aren't entitled to a MRI today any more than they were 200 years ago.
paullud
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If a country has POW's then they must be cared for since we are taking away their ability to provide for themselves. America fought and was founded on the idea of do it yourself, our forefathers pursued the ideas of freedom and liberty as the foundations of our country because reliance on the government to provide for us gives them the ability to take as well. There is a terrific series on Netflix called, America The Story Of Us that I highly recommend everyone watch if they have not already.
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No one is saying people should be purposely starved and health care is available. It is the word entitled that changes the entire picture.
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chefdennis
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In any extreme, no one is "entitled" to those things...except a minor, and then only from those that brought them into the world....beyond that..nope....Thank God there are Charitable Organization that will provide to the levelsthat they can...but it certainly is not the responsiblity of the Government....
This arguement is nothing new and has been going on longer then anyone in this forum as been alive, and will continue long after everyone here is dead and gone....
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
Cavemen ... really .... ROFL
I am not saying that anyone gets FREE anything ...... I detest those who scrounge off a Nation. In the UK now the PM is trying to do away with a benefit for the under 25 yr olds - the Lazy generation IMO.
I applaud those that have taken a job that would be classed as "beneath them" so they are able to fend for themselves. But there are those who cannot fend for themselves whether we like it or not.
I am sayng that everyone has a Human Right to exist and that would entail assisting those that honestly cannot provide for themselves, wherever they are in the world.
Dennis your post about those who brought you into the world etc .... is open to so many arguments - but it is Sunday - a day of reflection
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
EL wrote:
That right there is the start of the "fallacy"....nope they don't.....
That right there is the start of the "fallacy"....nope they don't.....
silly you...the US is not part of the world...look around....
Holy Cow! You are right!
EnglishLady
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AMonger
Veteran Expediter
These aren't human rights; they're somebody's idea of human rights, which they titled a Universal Declaration. There is no such thing as a human right that someone else is compelled to provide.
chefdennis
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yea i am..its a legal choice for anyone to make and not for me to dicate if anyone can or can't get one...now that is not to say i agree with "forced abortion" as a population control mechanism....
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
That's because of an international agreement, not an inherent human right. It's a matter of morals and ethics--you take away someone's right or ability to provide for their self, you incur a moral and ethical obligation to provide for them. Same with house pets. When we domesticate an animal, we incur the same moral obligation.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
or forced sterilization, as in the NC post recently?
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
To say that someone is entitled to food, drink, and medical care is to say that someone is obligated to provide it. In the case of adults, that's slavery.
Apparently, the British and Canucks don't find that as abhorrent as I would have thought.
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piattteam
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This may be wishful thinking on the World Human Rights part, but, it absolutely is NOT a constitutional right in USA! Nor should it be. I drive all over the USA and see help wanted signs almost everywhere I go. As long as there is one job in an area, there should not be one person living off the hard work of anybody else. My wife and I both work, don't buy toys we can't afford, don't waste our money on frivolous items, and, up to recently when we bought our own truck, do not charge things. If we can't pay cash, we don't buy it! Others choose to waste their money, then rely on taxpayers to bail them out.