How foolish some members are....

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Many of the issues listed in this thread are the exact reason reason I would never again lease to a carrier and be reliant upon them exclusively for all of my freight. We did that in a distant past with a nameless carrier and that was the last time.
If one is sitting for a week waiting on a load, I think one would know what their value is to the carrier.
No need to complicate the simple.
Remember, businessman first, driver second.
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Lets see, 52 weekends = 104,
8 to 12 national holidays,
1 ( 5 days) to 4 (20 days) weeks vacation time depending on longevity.

Thats a range of: 117 to 136 days some get off every year.
32 to 36% time off.

The world isnt foolish, this the way it is.

Some work overtime, some a second job.
Whatever floats their boat and satisfies their need, not their
employer, broker, agent or carrier.

So what if someone is available 80% of the time yet only accepts 50% of load offers.
Is the company better off with them or with someone available 60% and has an acceptance rate of 70%

I'll let you do the math.

The, "be a driver like me", syndrome is nothing but an ego rush.

Many different needs, whether it be going home to be the King ( very cool by the way, I hope you are forever their King ) or saving up for a truck to be an OO or a corvette to spin around town and relax.

Goals are personal, needs are as well.
Some can be disciplined enough to achieve them others cant.

Fedex ( and the other carriers ) can take care of themselves quite
well.
 
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Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
At home still...:D


Agree with the Vanman that those who go home every chance they get aren't being as productive as they might, but they probably won't be around long either, so I don't waste time worrying about them.

Hey what about me! I'm still around. I was home for Memorial Day weekend. I got a load out Tuesday afternoon and ended up in Fargo, ya, this afternoon. 1501 paid miles for the week and I am at home once again, you betcha!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hey what about me! I'm still around. I was home for Memorial Day weekend. I got a load out Tuesday afternoon and ended up in Fargo, ya, this afternoon. 1501 paid miles for the week and I am at home once again, you betcha!

Slacker....:p
 

guido4475

Not a Member
As a watcher of our industry and having a lot of contacts I can observe somes business activities and draw opinions that are mine and mine alone...


Fact is , most carriers are suffering the same problem...30-35% out of service rate....

I see people running 3-4 runs and running home OOS for 2-3 days over and over again....and then when they sit 24 hours complaining how disappointed they are about sitting, thinking they are owed a load or something...I have no idea what their mind is thinking.

Carriers are recruiting for this very reason and the above will cry" My carrier is recruiting!!" Oh my!!!

Last year when things were a lot skinnier people stayed out longer. Now that things are somewhat better it is a different story..these same people are grabbing the quick buck and running home with NO regard for their carriers needs...They give NO thought to the carriers needs only their own and when said carrier recruits..It is the carriers fault.

There is money to be made and some are blowing the chance to make some great cash...believe me..the skinny times will come back....so i don't want to hear.."I should have worked when it was busy"

As a responsible business owner you DO have a responsibility to your carrier and most important to your self to act accordingly....do yourself a favour and your carrier...close that recruiting door abit.

Oh BTW..It is a work truck..the idea is to run the wheels off..it is NOT a luxury RV...work truck!

I couldnt agree with your post any less.You are right. But, For the last 8 years, I have for the most part, lived out of my straight truck.Took every load,ran non-stop for over 5,000 miles, etc.So now, now that things are finally turning around for me, If I have the chance to go home, I am jumping on it.Take this weekend, for example.I was 200 miles away from home when I unloaded on Saturday morning.So 4 hours later and $40.00 worth of fuel, I am home.I would of spent more than that sitting possibly for the remainder of the weekend to begin with.Plus, I do have my girlfreind to think about also.I did check with dispatch,and gave them until a certain time to find something, and when that cut-off time came, I was gone.

As far as sitting, God has blessed me with extreme patience in this.I find things to do to keep my mind off of it, and I dont tie up All-State's phone lines calling every 2 hours while waitng for a load, like I have heard some drivers doing out here.How can a dispatcher find a load for a driver if the dispatcher is always on the phone with the driver to begin with?Think about it.I will clean the van, wax,detail etc, to pass the time away while waiting for a load. But if the waiting gets excessive, than I will call and see what can be done on both of our parts to rectify this problem.

As far as it's a work truck, not a luxury rv is just merely your preference on how you view youre vehicle.I was always raised around my dad's semi's, who were always eye-catching and well sought after at time of sale by others because of the excelllent care they always received, both mechanically and cleanliness-wise.He always got top dollar for his equipment at time of sale because of this, so it is only natural that I follow in his footsteps.What good is a vehicle if after the payment period has ended, it is all dull and rusty because the owner did not have and interest in taking care of it to begin with? There are also alot of items out here to save and make us money as well, viewed by others as luxury items.Youre generator saves you a poop-load of money, and has paid for itself times over and over again.This is something I will have one day, but the mechanical condition of the van comes first.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
You made a decision,first you wanted to own a business,your were told about expediting,It was a higher paid form of trucking,and you are now an expediter.
Whether your in a cargo van,straight truck,or even a tractor trailer,although a tractor trailers can be a little different, as they can also do truck load moves.
In expedite,our trucks aren't as busy as in regular trucking,so your opportunities are less.
You must understand one thing,the more loads you turn down,the more your not available for dispatch,the more trucks every expedite carrier must hire.
I know you can't take every load,but those that sit there and cherry pick,day after day,this does nothing but cause every company a big problem.
You ever try and figure out why some people are always busy,I guarantee,every load they take isn't a home run.
If 25% of the trucks are out of service,25% are cherry picking,and 25% are on a second day deliver,that only puts 25% of the companies fleet available,so holding that thought,how many loads is your company being forced to turn down,every day?
I know your being asked to do loads that don't meet all your expectations,sometimes this can't be helped,but the more your out of service,or just sitting,the more this will affect your bottom line.
Myself,I just started with a new company,and believe me, I have taken to much time off,not on purpose,but for different personal reasons.Taking time off doesn't pay the bills.
Do your companies a favor,try to stay in service at least 70% of the time,this will help every company.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Guido..IF I were 200-400 miles from home I'd be there in a flash as well...especially in a good area...

Most DH about 200 miles or so every week...I stay out 5-7 weeks and DH about 1,000 to 1,200 miles home...so do the math...it is the same thing...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You made a decision,first you wanted to own a business,your were told about expediting,It was a higher paid form of trucking,and you are now an expediter.
Whether your in a cargo van,straight truck,or even a tractor trailer,although a tractor trailers can be a little different, as they can also do truck load moves.
In expedite,our trucks aren't as busy as in regular trucking,so your opportunities are less.
You must understand one thing,the more loads you turn down,the more your not available for dispatch,the more trucks every expedite carrier must hire.
I know you can't take every load,but those that sit there and cherry pick,day after day,this does nothing but cause every company a big problem.
You ever try and figure out why some people are always busy,I guarantee,every load they take isn't a home run.
If 25% of the trucks are out of service,25% are cherry picking,and 25% are on a second day deliver,that only puts 25% of the companies fleet available,so holding that thought,how many loads is your company being forced to turn down,every day?
I know your being asked to do loads that don't meet all your expectations,sometimes this can't be helped,but the more your out of service,or just sitting,the more this will affect your bottom line.
Myself,I just started with a new company,and believe me, I have taken to much time off,not on purpose,but for different personal reasons.Taking time off doesn't pay the bills.
Do your companies a favor,try to stay in service at least 70% of the time,this will help every company.

Thats was my exact point Steve....

I've lost track of the times I've taken a crappy load and it turns out to be a money maker, either detention time/hand load/ change of delivery location or a stop added...you just never know especially if one cherry picks...
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Good thread OVM.

I delivered in Jackson, Mi. Friday morning, which is about as close to home as I get. I've been out 2 months, but I just can't justify going home when freight's moving as well as it is. I've also been loaded all but, I think, 2 of the weekends during that time. 1 of those that I wasn't I was broke down.

If someone wants to go home when freight's moving, that's certainly their choice to make. Just keep in mind that your friends don't want to listen to you whine about not having any money when it's slow.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Good thread OVM.

I delivered in Jackson, Mi. Friday morning, which is about as close to home as I get. I've been out 2 months, but I just can't justify going home when freight's moving as well as it is. I've also been loaded all but, I think, 2 of the weekends during that time. 1 of those that I wasn't I was broke down.

If someone wants to go home when freight's moving, that's certainly their choice to make. Just keep in mind that your friends don't want to listen to you whine about not having any money when it's slow.

I've been in the same boat last time out...got Wisc and Iowa and didn't go home..it was just too busy and i was on a roll...I went home this time because I had 7 weeks in...a long weekend coming up, and my roll started to sputter...out of sync so to speak...
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Linda and I stay out 4 to 6 weeks at a time.
Thats planned.
Planned as well is:
1 week at Easter, 1 week at the 4th of July, 1 week at Thanksgiving and 3 at Christmas.
Running good or bad, these will happen.
Our availability has been 78 to 82% for the past three years
( our total time as expediters ).
We have grossed well over 200k every year and this year will be the best yet.
Do we do this for the Carrier.
NO!!!!!
We do this for our family.
Our dedication and professionalism allows us to earn a very
nice income AND at the same time give Fedex ( our carrier )
a DR unit available to service their needs.
By taking care of ourselves we in turn do take care of the carrier.:D
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
I say to each their own. The Company can figure out how they want to balance their fleet. If oos is a problem then hire more drivers or don't renew contracts of cherry pickers. Drivers will find the companies that fit their desires, and companies will develop fleets that reflect their goals. I think there is a place for part time, hobby drivers, but it's up to companies to figure out how to use them.

eb
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I say to each their own. The Company can figure out how they want to balance their fleet. If oos is a problem then hire more drivers or don't renew contracts of cherry pickers. Drivers will find the companies that fit their desires, and companies will develop fleets that reflect their goals. I think there is a place for part time, hobby drivers, but it's up to companies to figure out how to use them.

eb

I couldnt agree with you more.
Every industry has its casual labor force.
Sometimes it the Christmas rush or harvest time.
Others may need someone on Tuesday because it
is really busy.
We all dont have to be full time.
dabluzman
 

MissKat

Expert Expediter
hey dabluzman...

did you all just do a test load to Chi town from Lancaster?
if so I waved at ya today on the back road by the Pilot LOL.

Toronto was interesting....

Kat and Blackbeard
CR3161
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
We have to remember too, we all have different goals. Some want as much money as humanly possible, so stay out weeks. Others do this for the flexibility. We can run a few days, then go home, and still clear more than a 9-5 job.

Myself, 99% of the time I'm home on Sunday. Personal choice. Half is because of where I live, a lot of freight goes by there...and I know I'll be right back out, many times picking up Fri or Sat for a Mon del. This business gives me that freedom.

for someone who lives in FL, MN, SD etc, and has 1000 mile deadhead home, the decision to dh home really doesnt compare with a 2-400 dh to central OH.

I will gladly burn the fuel to be home, if its Saturday and im empty.


Dale
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We have to remember too, we all have different goals.

I'm not so sure about that.

If you asked 100 expediters what their goals were, I think a strong majority of them would say things like "be happy" "keep busy" or some such thing. Far too many expediters are just wandering through the business, using their feelings to decide if they are doing well instead of using their brains.

For a goal to be a real goal you have to have a way to know you are achieving it. Allow me to use Dreamer's home Sunday words as an example.

He said "...99% of the time, I'm home on Sunday." That is not a goal. It is a description of a desire. It states the fact that he is home nearly every Sunday.

Goals talk about intended future results. To translate "home Sunday" into true goal language, include who, what, where, when and why:

Goal: I (who) will be home 99% of Sundays (what, where and when) because I want to be home on Sundays (why).

This is a statement you can now use to evaluate your success. If it is Sunday, you can look to see if you are at home or not. If you are, you are on target. Over time you can track the number of Sundays you are home. If you are home 99 Sundays out of 100, you are achieving your stated goal.

The goal to "stay busy" is a poorly worded goal. A better-worded goal might be something like:

"I (who) will complete 15 or more loads each month (what), staying east of the Mississippi (where) for the next six months (when) to generate the money I need to pay all expenses and put some money away (why)."

How will you know you are achieving this goal? You will keep track of the loads you do over six months and see if you do 15 or more each month. You will review your routes to see if you stayed east of the Mississippi. And you will look at your bills to see if they are paid, and your bank balance to see if it has grown in the stated time period.

Notice how goals set with language like this force you to think more deeply about your business and state more clearly what you really want.

Dreamer's goal to be home on Sundays can be easily achieved by never leaving home at all. But there is of course more to his expediting business than that.

The "stay busy" goal can be achieved by taking a whole bunch of short runs that pay just enough to meet expenses and increase the bank balance by just one penny over six months.

That's the thing about goals, setting one usually moves you in the direction of self-improvement. Someone serious about an activity goal would better quantify the financial component -- the "why" -- because a one penny gain over six months would probably not be satisfactory. Knowing one's precise financial goal will naturally lead one to think about the runs one takes. It may come to mind that 10 good runs are better than 15 not-so good runs, or 20 short runs are better than 10 long runs.

If 15 runs a month gets to be too much, the statement can be refined to something more flexible, enjoyable and realistic by saying "a monthly average of 15 or more runs over the next six months."

Stated goals are powerful because they increase your likelihood of success. They are challenging because they force you to focus on results and examine core issues. They are oppressive because they make it clear when you fail. They are fun because they give you a reason to get up in the morning and a sense that you are doing something meaningful.

Do you have goals? You do if you can evaluate your performance by answering the who, what, when, where and why questions built into your goal statement.

If you cannot explain the who, what, where, when and why of what you intend or are trying to do, you don't have a goal, you have only a desire or intention.

What's the difference between a goal and a desire or intention? A goal is specific and proactive. Setting a goal moves you beyond a desire or intention by injecting committment to achieve exactly what you set out to achieve.

Waking up in the morning with the desire to keep busy leaves it up to others to keep you busy, and it makes no difference how much the run pays. Waking up with the goal to haul 15 loads per month because you want to grow your bank account gets you looking for ways to do exactly that.
 
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Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
Good post Phil. I guess putting it more clearly would be, I do have specific income goals, however, I will sacrifice "possible" income to spend at least part of Sunday with family, going to church, etc. I will however take weekend loads that del on Monday and have time to go "out of route" to attend at least one service with my family. It's that important to me, and is part of who i am. Many times I've met them at the church in my van, under load. When I say home on Sunday, that doesnt mean always out of service, or even empty. However, I will not miss holidays or special family times. I did enough of that when my kids were little. Never again.

So, my goal would be to meet my income goals WHILE having the flexibility to be home when i choose.

Will that change? Maybe. I'm in a transition phase right now, and decisions have to be made. At a crossroads as the song says...I've accepted the new destination.. but oh, how to get there...lol. I believe I can make expediting fit the new destination too, but the flexibility will become most important. If the income level does. not meet my needs with the new constraints, then I will re-evaluate my options.

Since 1988 Ive been a driver in one form or another, even if only part time while working in a office days. When I wasnt driving, i pined to get back out. For 10 years Ive been a part of EO... Admin for 4 of those years. But. God has a way of throwing us curveballs. If expediting does not provide enuff income, I will quietly step away, but I will not be on here whining about how I couldnt make enuff money lol.. I know the more conditions I place, the less income I make. For now, the income meets my goals, so I continue down both paths. Kind of like a few people i know who ebay from the road, or daytrade, or run restaurants!


Dale
 

dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
hey dabluzman...

did you all just do a test load to Chi town from Lancaster?
if so I waved at ya today on the back road by the Pilot LOL.

Toronto was interesting....

Kat and Blackbeard
CR3161

No, that wasnt us.
But, after reading your post,
I immediately waved back at you.:D
Thanx for the thought.
 
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