How far should Elementary School go for Peanut Allergy?

[pjjjjj]

Can you imagine what this peanut issue has undoubtedly done to the peanut industry? Entire schools banning anything that might have come into contact with peanut dust because one kid might have a bad allergy? There are even TV commercials touting the virtues of peanut free this and that.

I look at all of this as a frenzy of sheep, following the latest politically correct fad. And it certainly won't end there. At some point another little Johnny will have his feelings hurt if he sees someone eating a roast beef sandwich. Little Ursula won't feel like part of the group if everyone can eat flour products except for her. And little Peter's mom won't want him exposed to the fact that people eat or drink anything that comes from an animal. Good bye milk forms!

This isn't about acceptance of differences and integration, it's the exact opposite.

 

[cheri1122]

Nothing new in the 'blame the victim' mindset, either, sadly.
Perhaps one day, it will be one of your loved ones who needs accommodation, and won't you be demanding what your tax dollars paid for then?
And maybe Greg will reconsider the ADA laws, if he finds himself or his Mrs confined to a wheelchair.
It's just soooo easy to blast people whose problems aren't yours, you know?
What's that poem say "First, they came for the Communists..."?

 

[golfournut]

43 million Americans with some form of disability. Why don't we just tell them all to lock themselves in their room. Problem solved! Yea right.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't think anyone is "blasting" the "victim". I think that most people are tired of one person dictating everyone else's lives. As harsh as it may seem, one child should NEVER have control over an entire school's diet. That is just wrong. NO peanuts in movie theaters. No peanuts at the circus. No peanuts at baseball games. And on it goes. You cannot change the world for a tiny minority.

 

[greg334]

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[pjjjjj]

Cheri, what you're not getting is that if it were 'me', I would have no expectation of my child being accommodated if it meant it would force the ENTIRE school to be forced to do/not do something they should be able to do if they want. Surely I can't be the only one to feel this way? I wouldn't want it for my child, and I wouldn't want it for me.
In my experience, children themselves don't enjoy being centred out, you know, like if they were known as the peanut allergy kid whose parents made a stink and now the whole school can't have peanuts. There are a LOT of other options besides banning the peanut (dust) altogether from the entire school.
I might even be willing to accept the peanut thing if I knew the school was asking for written proof from an allergy specialist as to how bad the allergy is, how long it is expected to last, if it can be tested periodically that it still exists, if it would be possible to just have all kids eating timbits and PBJ's in a separate classroom, etc. I have a sneaking suspicion however, that the schools just take the mom's word for it. And let's face it... there are a LOT of nutbars in every town, including moms in need of massive attention, moms who misunderstood the doctor, and moms who self diagnose based on reading something on the net.

Nothing new in the 'blame the victim' mindset, either, sadly.
Perhaps one day, it will be one of your loved ones who needs accommodation, and won't you be demanding what your tax dollars paid for then?
And maybe Greg will reconsider the ADA laws, if he finds himself or his Mrs confined to a wheelchair.
It's just soooo easy to blast people whose problems aren't yours, you know?
What's that poem say "First, they came for the Communists..."?

 

[golfournut]

Going to a public school is a fundamental right. Parents of children with disabilities pay their taxes just like the rest of us. Title IV of ADA governs public schools.

Title III of ADA governs public areas and businesses. It states "reasonable access must be provided for the equal enjoyment by all". Which is also a civil rights issue. The two key words are access and enjoyment. Once barriers are removed to restrict access, there is no guarantee of enjoyment therefore the restriction if peanuts at ball parks is not required.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[pjjjjj]

IYO How far should schools go to accomodate allergies?

EnglishLady, I didn't see where you posted your opinion on the subject

 

[golfournut]

Most municipalities have a separate location or division of existing structures for special needs students. These students are not comingled in the same class room as the "normal" students.

Also most municipalities have separate classrooms or even schools for the "gifted" students. They too are not comingled with the general population. Instead, they are provided the best of everything.

So why don't we just put everyone in the same classroom and limit the education for everyone!

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[golfournut]

I'll be here Greg, let me know when you get the codes. And that is for private dwelling, right?
Thanks

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[layoutshooter]

Far too many "special" people out there too. Too may "special" programs. No need for "gifted" classes. Set the standards VERY high, higher than the so called gifted and then demand and expect that everyone come up to that level. Most will. A "C" average in a HARD school is worth far more in life than a "A" in fluff.

 

[golfournut]

Far too many "special" people out there too. Too may "special" programs. No need for "gifted" classes. Set the standards VERY high, higher than the so called gifted and then demand and expect that everyone come up to that level. Most will. A "C" average in a HARD school is worth far more in life than a "A" in fluff.

Then the drop out rate increases and moves over to the welfare rolls. Either way we loose.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[cheri1122]

Pjjj: there are many who agree with you, but not the parents of the child with the allergy, and they have the legal right to send their child to school, because that's what their taxes pay for. as I mentioned, not all learning is in the lesson plan - kids that age need to socialize with their peers, for one thing. And the only way the kids will know who to blame, btw, is if the adults tell them whose 'fault' it is.
I don't know about Canada, but here in the US, if it isn't documented, it doesn't exist, so I'm sure the parents have proven their case - as Greg said, the schools often make it hard for parents to get what the law says they should.
Greg: the ADA isn't about making anyone 'feel better', it's about the right to access the same places and things every other citizen can. And I too, would like to see the statutes that you refer to, about selling a private home, because I've never heard that requirement before.

 

[layoutshooter]

Then the drop out rate increases and moves over to the welfare rolls. Either way we loose.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

I don't agree. I think that the more you expect of a person the more they will perform. Demand high standards and the majority will come up to the standard. Expect less, you get less.

As to welfare, no ABLE bodied person should be on it for more than a few months AND they should HAVE to EARN that money. No more free rides. Far too many people sit on welfare doing nothing with their lives.

 

[golfournut]

I don't agree. I think that the more you expect of a person the more they will perform. Demand high standards and the majority will come up to the standard. Expect less, you get less.

As to welfare, no ABLE bodied person should be on it for more than a few months AND they should HAVE to EARN that money. No more free rides. Far too many people sit on welfare doing nothing with their lives.

I agree, the higher the standard the more will step up to meet it. The problem is there are those that can't meet the standard as it is now and drop out. Raise the standard and those that barely make the existing standard will join the ranks of the can't or really won't and drop out. Therefore going over to the welfare rolls.

I also agree with your philosophy on welfare. But, the reality that is not how it works. If fact it has gotten to the point where it is generational. Parents on welfare, child becomes of age and joins the welfare rolls. We could debate all day long the the differing philosophies of this social economic disaster, but it won't change what is. I believe all social welfare programs should be stopped completely and a new enrollment criteria and qualification guideline be instituted. But before that happens, a system of welfare jobs need to be created that actually produce a positive out come of some sort like getting those folks off the couch and in the work force. Don't show up for work, don't get paid. Also the job needs to have a benefit to our society of the folks paying the bill. For example, and this is just one, a school needs painted get the welfare pool over there. Yea I know, it takes away from a contractor getting the job, but that's just the way it is.



Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[layoutshooter]

There is plenty of trash that needs picked up along the road. Welfare people can do that. There are plenty of river banks that need cleaned up, welfare people can do that. No need to take away jobs from those who have been working their entire lives to support these bums.

Most will come up to higher standards, most will NOT fail. I still think that a "C" in a tough program is worth far more than an "A" in "fluff". Drop out of high school, no drivers license. That will fix the dropout rate.

We also need to back off of the idea that everyone MUST have a college degree. That is flawed thinking. We need to have more tradesmen. Skilled tradesmen will make as much as most college grads that have degrees in basket weaving, likely more. They also won't be piled up with a ton of debt before they even start in life and can have 2 years or more out there earn while the college dude is learning how to weave.

 

[pjjjjj]

There is plenty of trash that needs picked up along the road. Welfare people can do that. There are plenty of river banks that need cleaned up, welfare people can do that. No need to take away jobs from those who have been working their entire lives to support these bums.

How much will it cost to pay for the supervisors and trainers to train and supervise the generational welfare bums? How much will it cost to pay for the workers' comp and administration of all the paperwork? How much will be paid out in frivolous lawsuits when they injure themselves? These costs will be on TOP of the welfare payments themselves, still dished out from tax dollars. In the meantime there will be less of a pool of tax dollars since the workers will be taking away from paid city workers and the work that businesses provide.

 

[layoutshooter]

How much will it cost to pay for the supervisors and trainers to train and supervise the generational welfare bums? How much will it cost to pay for the workers' comp and administration of all the paperwork? How much will be paid out in frivolous lawsuits when they injure themselves? These costs will be on TOP of the welfare payments themselves, still dished out from tax dollars. In the meantime there will be less of a pool of tax dollars since the workers will be taking away from paid city workers and the work that businesses provide.

Then get rid of welfare for ANYONE who is able to work. The very idea of paying people who CHOSE not to work is absurd. Just listen to the howl from the liberals who use the welfare system to keep people under their control.

What lose of city workers jobs? Few if any city workers pick up trash. If they did our cities would not look like trash dumps. No one except a few volunteers is cleaning up river banks. You could have welfare people killing carp during the spawn. There is PLENTY Of work for them to do. I would also willing to bet money that MANY life time welfare rangers would get off it IF they had to EARN it.

 

[layoutshooter]

How much will it cost to pay for the supervisors and trainers to train and supervise the generational welfare bums? How much will it cost to pay for the workers' comp and administration of all the paperwork? How much will be paid out in frivolous lawsuits when they injure themselves? These costs will be on TOP of the welfare payments themselves, still dished out from tax dollars. In the meantime there will be less of a pool of tax dollars since the workers will be taking away from paid city workers and the work that businesses provide.

Then get rid of welfare for ANYONE who is able to work. The very idea of paying people who CHOSE not to work is absurd. Just listen to the howl from the liberals who use the welfare system to keep people under their control.

What lose of city workers jobs? Few if any city workers pick up trash. If they did our cities would not look like trash dumps. No one except a few volunteers is cleaning up river banks. You could have welfare people killing carp during the spawn. There is PLENTY Of work for them to do. I would also willing to bet money that MANY life time welfare rangers would get off it IF they had to EARN it.

 

[golfournut]

The more nasty the job is would probably be enough incentive to get off welfare!

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.