How expensive is it out here?

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Notice how we as Truck Owners are getting screwed out here? When is the last time you fueled up for less than .30 less than Unleaded?

How about the price of any meal? I have noticed that it costs me an average of $10.00 for any meal if I am gona leave a tip and I do. It is really getting very expensive for us and the truck stops do not seem to mind passing on any costs to us. We on the other hand cannot pass on any increases to anyone, so all we can do is cut costs.

Are any of you been seeing what I have been seeing???

I have cut out motels, I am right now staying with anther driver for the first check in motel since probably last May or April. I have cut and cut and cut, I want this to be enjoyable but I am at my end of cutting expenses anyone doing the same?
 

rode2rouen

Expert Expediter
My greatest expense, for the period 1/1/06 through 8/31/06, is fuel. I have spent 25.847% of my gross revenue running the Cummins M11, whether for rolling down the road or idling to maintain comfort.

On 8/25 I had an APU installed to eliminate the idling I do when I'm parked for the night. I am also going to start shutting down the engine when I make a delivery stop. Most stops are less than 15 minutes, but sometimes I have 6 or 8 in a day....that adds up over the period of a year.

Lately I've been running with the cruise set at 67.5MPH when the truck speed limit is 65 or higher, starting Tuesday the magic number is going to be 66.5. In states where the truck limit is 55 I'm going to continue to run 62.5 (100KPH). Ideally I'd like to see the percentage spent on fuel down closer to 20%.

As far as eats while on the road, I'm going to install a small fridge so that I can hit the grocery store before heading out for the week and stay out of the restaurants. Food expense for the above period is .037% of the gross revenue. Getting a fridge will hopefully bring that down to .02%. (I might even lose a few pounds if I start eating better) ;)


Rex
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Good job Rex, your #s are right in line with mine. Eating out though becomes necessary as I begin to crazy eating Ham Sandwiches and bean soup.
 

Night_Runner36

Seasoned Expediter
the way I have saved money from day one is I go to wal-mart or any other food store and I stock up on microwave food and I buy case's as well as gallons of water and a case of soda and that what I eat I very rarely eat in the truck stops I only run the engine when I need to other wise it is shut down I have found that by buying the food and snacks and water or soda and useing just that at a cost of 110.00 it lasts Me till I go home each 30 days and this includes paper plates paper towels plastic forks spoons knives laundry soap, bath soap and dish soap as when I use to be OTR I spent close to 300.00 a month on eating out and staying in a hotel/motel twice a week and with the points card with fuel purchases I get the free showers since I have a TV and Dvd and refrig. and microwave I might has well use them ....but then has My wife would say thats cause I'm cheap I wont pay to sleep in a hotel for a couple of nights since I have a sleeper that has a soft bed and a way to cook and a way to watch tv ...I just say want I save I can buy things for the kids and grandkids from where I have been at ...but thats just the way I have cut down on spending money to use what I have at hand
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
You have no control over fuel costs, except you can control your consumption.

You have to eat regardless of where you are; however, the trick is in having the facilities to prepare and enjoy your own cooking. Preparing sandwiches isn't cooking. We still enjoy our meals out which don't happen anywhere near a truck stop.

If you have a comfortable living space onboard you don't need motels. Your own space will be more comfortable than any motel.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Broom, this is not directed at you or EO members but I was reading all these complaint from OTR drivers on another website and getting...well...I want to know when all these truckers who complain about the price of fuel start complaining about the truck stops who set higher prices than the local service stations knowing d*mn well that a truck can not pull into the local BP or marithon station to fuel up with fuel at $.10 cheaper. We should expect that bacause they buy in large bulk, they would pass this onto the customers. the funny thing is the I-75 Pilot at exit 18 normally has a higher price than the pilot at exit 15, WHY?
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Night Runner you stated that all you spend in a Month is $110.00, WOW do you realize that is only $3.60 a day so for three meals that comes out to less than $1.25 per meal and than you are able to purchase drink, paper plates etc... Hmmm now thats living tight, what are eating cause I like more than Romain Noodles.

Serious if you are able to get by on that what are you buying cause I find this hard to believe.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>You have no control over fuel costs, except you can control
>your consumption.
>
>You have to eat regardless of where you are; however, the
>trick is in having the facilities to prepare and enjoy your
>own cooking. Preparing sandwiches isn't cooking. We still
>enjoy our meals out which don't happen anywhere near a truck
>stop.
>
>If you have a comfortable living space onboard you don't
>need motels. Your own space will be more comfortable than
>any motel.

We're finding that to be true in our new truck. Tonight, Diane cooked a pasta meal using the stove and kitchen sink, and served it on real dishes on a table with placemats. We have not paid for a hotel room since moving into the truck. While we still eat out, we're doing so less and rarely in truck stops any more. I had to buy new belts the other day because my waist size has decreased two inches. Fuel consumption is less, not only because of the generator but also because it is equipped with an auto-start feature. It runs only when needed to charge up the truck batteries; generally an hour or two per night if we leave the camera system, parking lights and marker lights on, or all night if we keep the air conditioning on. The toilet and shower frees us from the need to park at truck stops at all.

Depending on how carried away you get with features, a big, full-featured sleeper can add $25,000 to $50,000 to the cost of a truck while reducing the amount of freight you can haul (bigger sleeper, smaller truck body).

It would take a long, long time to make up the difference with food, lodging and fuel savings. Still, it is nice to not feel exploited by truck stops and to have the freedom to park elsewhere and enjoy some of the comforts of home.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Need you to understand, i'm not pick'in wit your deal here, but, I can't imagine what that camper will be like after cooking fairly regularly in a small space like that in a few months. And, showering in a small space with the moisture that accumulates from that, not to mention having to deal with the grey/black water on a regular basis. With the frequency of our loads, and where they go in the winter, the water/waste water would have to be a delema in itself for us. I'm happy for you if you make it work, but, no thanks, i've got my camping machine, and i'm going to use it plenty really soon. Now that i've got the time.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I've got a Microfridge in here, one with a separate freezer compartment, so it keeps stuff frozen. It's a frost-free freezer, too. Large enough of a freezer and fridge to hold enough food for a week, and it's got a microwave on top. Uses one plug. The fridge plugs into the microwave, which plugs into the inverter. When the microwave is on, power to the fridge is cut off, ensuring that no matter what, no more than 10 amps will be pulled. And that's just when the microwave is operating. Under normal operating conditions, the fridge/freezer pulls 1.3 amps, which is easy on the batteries.

Here's the one I have. They have several others. If you get one, you'd do yourself a huge favor of making sure you get one with the separate freezer compartment. Look closely at them.
http://www.microfridge.com/catalog/product.cgi/3/14/6/P1/default/N/0

I eat better, lots of fresh veggies and salads. :)

I have four Optima M31 batteries (the 60 pounders) that will last me an entire weekend while running the computer, fridge, lights, Fan-Tastic Fan, a few other odds and ends. Still outfitting this new Sprinter, so I still have to put in the Espar heater in a couple of weeks, then satellite dish and flat panel TV, then next Spring the generator and rooftop AC unit.

Costing out the Espar heater, it pays for itself in 7 weeks. The generator in 9 months. After that it's money in my pocket.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
That's a very interesting unit. I especially like the switching power supply. That's definitely a bookmark to save and look into in the future. Thanks.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5507, 5508, 5509
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Yeah, it's designed for college dorms, old apartment buildings, anyplace where an overload would be a problem. So, it's very energy efficient, and extra safe, which makes it perfect for the road.
 

Night_Runner36

Seasoned Expediter
well Broom when I first picked up the truck and took it home to get it cleaned and ready for the road I stocked it up with all the different choice's of like dinty-moore micro meals and mac& cheeze meals,canned meats,can vegies,and I just dont let it get low as for like breakfest I have them tiny boxes of cereal and them breafest bars,I buy from stores like Aldi's or wal-mart or other wharehouse type food chains and silly has it may sound I clip coupons as they do help it isnt to much different then being at home if You keep Your supply up and not let it get low it wont kill You at the end ..it helps to buy in bulk true there isnt to much of a varity of meals but I dont need all the gliter thats one thing that when I'm home drives My wife and kids crazy on how simple, I can eat and not need the big fancy dinner out...We have to fancy stuff when I do get back home but when I'm restocking they just shake thier heads at the simple food ...it isnt for everyone but what ever it takes to save money I'm willing to try so far it has worked another thing ....lol it is great if you want to loose weight.. when I came out back on the road in june I was pushing 240lbs. and here it is start of sept. and I', back down to 200lbs and I can get back into My old jeans ...guess driving that mixer truck for 6 years kinda makes a guy chunky...I feel alot better now as well so thats how I do it Bloom....just keep the supply full
 

Mudflap

Expert Expediter
If you need a motel stay Broom, stay at a cheaper one like a Motel 6 or Super 8 rather than the $80-$100 a night luxury jobs. Then you can eat a few candy bars from the snack machine for dinner. Denny
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
I must be really frugal. My wife just looked over my shoulder and said, "No honey, the word is cheap." LOL

I have been expediting since January.

I have yet to stay in a motel.

I have a backpacker's self-inflating pad and a minus 30 degree rated sleeping bag. The pad fits perfectly between the seats and I stretch out with my feet touching the console and my head toward the cargo area. If I need the extra room for cargo I fold the pad and sleeping at the midpoint and it remains between the front seats on the floor. Cargo gets delivered and I just flip the pad and sleeping bag back to a fully opened position. On really cold nights I use a Coleman Catalytic heater to knock off the chill. I also use a CO detector. Yes, anything that you ignite does produce CO gas, but the measurable amount of a properly functioning Catalytic heater is less than the ambient air born CO coming from the 200 trucks idling in the parking lot. I recommend that EVERY truck have a CO detector even if they are not use a Catalytic heater.

Most of the food I carry is dry: cereal bars, banana chips, fruit, nuts, cereal. I do carry single serving cans of milk for the dry cereal and I top it off with a fresh banana when I am near a WalMart. I also carry packages of Oatmeal and Grits which heat up nicely in a microwave.

I have some Healthy Choice Microwave Soups (No MSG in their soups) and some microwave popcorn. I will ask the clerk at a truckstop if I can use their microwave to heat up my soup. I show them the can so they can see that it is not something they sell and I explain that I am on a special diet. I also do the same with the popcorn and they do not have a problem with my request. You can always use the microwave in the shipper's or consignee's lunchroom to heat some Oatmeal, Grits, Soup etc. provided their employees are not on their break.

When you are WalMart you can get 1-3 slices of lunchmeat and cheese, a box of nice crackers and a small container of cole slaw which makes for a decent meal. I also carry cans of tuna, chicken, turkey, salmon, fish and sardines. Great sources of protein! A can of chicken and a few rice crackers from Trader Joe's...yummy.

I don't sit inside the truck if I am at a truckstop. I make it a point to stay out of the truck as much as possible. I walk and then I find a comfortable place to sit inside so I can log onto the Internet or read.

Now we all seem to have that one special thing we love to eat or drink. Mine is a great cup of coffee. I carry a small 4 cup drip coffee maker, a small bean grinder and a power strip. I put it discreetly on the bench next to me at the truck stop, plug in the power strip, grind enough beans to have 4 cups, open a 20oz bottled water (Exact amount of water needed to make 4 cups) and fill the chamber. In about 8-10 minutes you can watch the noses of people smelling the fragrance of Trader Joe's Coffee. Sometimes I'll make coffee in the shower room while taking a shower. There is always a power outlet and enough room on the sink area to do so. My stainless steel coffee mug will hold exactly 4 cups so I can clean up the coffee maker and keep my brew warm and fresh.

I hesitated in posting some of my frugal money saving ideas because I am concerned about folks using a little common sense when they are a guest in someone's place of business. Just use some discernment and be polite when at a shipper, consignee or truck stop.

Next time we learn how to bake a ham in the engine compartment while under load.
 

dieselphreak2K

Expert Expediter
Never tried the ham, but i did see a small trough welded to a Cat 3406A exhaust manifold once. The owner would cacth fish, wrap the fish and some veggies in tin foil, and cook it on the tray. I haven't a clue on cook time, or proper rpm setting.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
I to can and have been accused of being CHEAP, what I am pointing out is how the truck stops Js mostly gouge us. As for Motels I now have a discount card thru OOIDA, that I can stay at a Hilton for the price of a Motel 6.

Call me spoiled, but I think its smart. I will not stay at a Budget or Discount Motel to many have very poor cleaning standards, and the crowd your staying with are not exactly what I deem as trust worthy parties that will not stay quite. I have seen broken glass from side windows etc... Grills at the front doors just no thanks.

One can only eat inside of the truck for so long and I have all of tools necessary to prepare meals. We only live once, and I enjoy treating myself from time to time. Getting a BREAK from the truck is a treat, I personally just like a fair VALUE for my $ and am seeing less and less of it out there.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Broom,

What's the hotel card from OOIDA?

I looked on their site but I didn't see anything listed as hotel benefit.
 

ACE

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
dhalltoyo,
The card Corporate lodging Consultants Inc.
www.checkinncard.com
It is great service.
I think this is the same one OOIDA offers.
I am a member but I had this card before I heard they had it.
It cost me nothing to join.
You only pay a small fee when you book a room.
If you go to the website it will explain how it works.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Thanks ACE.

I have that card too.

It cost nothing to join.

I was was just confused about the reference to a card being from OOIDA, because as a member I have not seen one offered.

Quite possibly it may have been a fringe benefit in conjunction with a Fleet Card or another program.

Again, thank you for your post.
 
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