How Do You Get Home?

Dispatched

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Very interesting information. Spoke with my CC today
and got the official scoop on back haul/get home.

I've got to decide which load-board to sign up on.
Is anyone particcular board better than others?
Is the 20-25 a month rate average ?
Haggling for price common ?

I too read the thread where Greg slams another forum
member saying there's no such thing as this program.
He was very nasty telling A-Team that they must be special
because nobody else's allowed to back-haul. I'm glad
I seen this thread because I was truly under the assumption
the program did not exist. Agree with above poster, we
don't need off the wall BS just to get at another driver.
The facts are much more respectable than intentionally
giving out false info.

Thanks A-Team for posting THE TRUTH
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Hold on there partner

I don't know what post that is referred to but there are restrictions to that program. I am not with the Fed but am called on occasion to find loads for drivers that have been sitting for a long time or are looking for a directional move.
That answer may have been provided if the load is originating from another expedite company. They restrict hauling from anyone they perceive as a competitor regardless of the reason.
That was as of two weeks ago.
As off six months ago, they didn't allow or do broker loads on the weekends. And at one time they would only approve a load going to a approved express center. Based on Phil's post, I would have to think they may have changed that. Not sure on the restriction of having to be out a certain amount of time to use the program. Maybe some could provide that current information.
Again, mine is based on MY direct personal experience booking loads for their drivers.
As for load boards, I would ask them who they will let you use.
Boards that are expedite freight in general may not be useful do to their restrictions.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Very interesting information. Spoke with my CC today
and got the official scoop on back haul/get home.

I've got to decide which load-board to sign up on.
Is anyone particcular board better than others?
Is the 20-25 a month rate average ?
Haggling for price common ?

I too read the thread where Greg slams another forum
member saying there's no such thing as this program.
He was very nasty telling A-Team that they must be special
because nobody else's allowed to back-haul. I'm glad
I seen this thread because I was truly under the assumption
the program did not exist. Agree with above poster, we
don't need off the wall BS just to get at another driver.
The facts are much more respectable than intentionally
giving out false info.

Thanks A-Team for posting THE TRUTH

What Greg said was the truth, FedEx will not let you do back hauls unless they don't have a need for you. The ER unit I manage that is STILL on With FedEx Custom Critical tried to do a back haul loads many times and was told no 8 out of 10 times. After moving to Panther our trucks are staying loaded even on the weekends. They may not be the long loads but they are moving. Don't get me wrong FedEx is not a bad company, but not the best company for back hauls. Panther wants you to try getting back hauls because they look at it as gaining a new customer.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Hold on there partner

I don't know what post that is referred to but there are restrictions to that program. I am not with the Fed but am called on occasion to find loads for drivers that have been sitting for a long time or are looking for a directional move.
That answer may have been provided if the load is originating from another expedite company. They restrict hauling from anyone they perceive as a competitor regardless of the reason.
That was as of two weeks ago.
As off six months ago, they didn't allow or do broker loads on the weekends. And at one time they would only approve a load going to a approved express center. Based on Phil's post, I would have to think they may have changed that. Not sure on the restriction of having to be out a certain amount of time to use the program. Maybe some could provide that current information.
Again, mine is based on MY direct personal experience booking loads for their drivers.
As for load boards, I would ask them who they will let you use.
Boards that are expedite freight in general may not be useful do to their restrictions.

I would agree with you Dave 100%. You tried to get be back home from LA and they wouldn't let me do any of the 8 loads you found for me Dave when I was out west. I had to DEADHEAD 2300 MILES HOME from LA.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
They restrict hauling from anyone they perceive as a competitor regardless of the reason.
That was as of two weeks ago.

Perhaps you misunderstood what you were told.

I specifically asked, by name, if a competing carrier was on FedEx Custom Critical's Home Run program approved carrier list. The competing carrier was indeed on the list. To make sure, I asked two different people, twice, on two different phone calls. Both times, the competing carrier was said to be on the approved carrier list.

There is something else to consider, and it is a point often missed here in the Open Forum. FedEx Custom Critical is a continually-evolving company; as all expedite carriers are. Just because something is true yesterday, it does not mean it will be true today or tomorrow. Lists of approved carriers change. Company policies change. Programs are tried, tweeked, expanded and/or abandoned all the time. People who understand that tend to be happier with FedEx Custom Critical than people who do not.

Why is it so important for you, DaveKC, a non-FedEx contractor, to pass yourself as knowing more about the FedEx Custom Critical program that FedEx Custom Critcial contractors use and share info on here? I don't pretend to know inside information about the carrier you are affiliated with. Why do you feel compelled to say so much -- so very much -- about a carrier you are not affiliated with?

Again, mine is based on MY direct personal experience booking loads for their drivers.

And my experience, is that of a contractor actually affiliated with the carrier in question, in direct contact with the people who run the Home Run program.

I do not have anywhere near the experience you do in using load boards and/or brokers for a very good reason. Our carrier has kept us busy and profitable enough to not need them.

However, now that fuel prices have trippled since we got into the business, booking outside freight may be more beneficial than it used to be. We may use the program to get home again.

Readers should understand that if you want to have total freedom to book your own loads all the time, you should get your own authority or find a carrier that provides that freedom. The FedEx Custom Critical Home Run program is something that can help you get home every now and then. It is not something designed to help you run on your own some of the time and FedEx Custom Critical freight other times, or to run in directions other than home.

Think about it. If you find yourself needing to frequently book outside freight to get you from one freight center to another (instead of getting home like the FedEx program helps you do), why would you stay?

The point has been made many times and needs to be made again. Different strokes for different folks. If you have the need or desire to get home on demand, there are ways to do that. If you are ready, willing and able to stay in the expedited-freight revenue stream, there are ways to do that too. The way you choose depends on what you want and need.
 
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Perhaps you misunderstood what you were told.

I specifically asked, by name, if a competing carrier was on FedEx Custom Critical's Home Run program approved carrier list. The competing carrier was indeed on the list. To make sure, I asked two different people, twice, on two different phone calls. Both times, the competing carrier was said to be on the approved carrier list.

Why is it so important for you, a non-FedEx contractor, to pass yourself as knowing more about the FedEx Custom Critical program that FedEx Custom Critcial contractors use and share info on here? I don't pretend to know inside information about the carrier you are affiliated with. Why do you feel compelled to say so much -- so very much -- about a carrier you are not affiliated with?
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Nope. You are wrong Phil. I didn't misunderstand anything. Only two weeks ago I tried to book a load for a EO member and was told they couldn't haul it because the load was from a competitor. Two weeks ago Phil.
Don't pull that fawn and bunny mess on me. I am simply stating my experience. RECENT experience.
Bottom line is there are restrictions in that program. I clearly stated that someone there could explain their restrictions. I am only commenting on ones I experienced as one trying to book a load for one of their drivers. That is confirmed already in this thread by someone with YOUR carrier that indicated I was 100 percent correct. The load from two weeks ago was a load for another EO member other than Bruno.
 
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nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
There are restrictions to this program.FECC will not let you use any backhaul load uness you have been out at least 2 weeks,if you have turned down any loads in the general area that your in,and no loads from competitors.THere are competitors that use FECC on an everyday occurance,as a third party pay,but unless they call in to solicit a truck,you wont get to use them.Personally,what i find in the back haul movements,the loads dont pay enough to get an advance to deliver the loads.I was in Salt Lake City,a while back,Layover was Denver,and since under no cercumstances do I go to Denver,I got in touch with DaveKC,as i wasnt out the 2 weeks,I was not permitted to do a back haul load,what I did get was a Relocation load,which is an empty move to Elk Grove Village,that paid me $1.00 for all miles,and since I went to SLC for $2.60 /mile this worked out just fine,I then got loaded home,which is where i needed to be for my doctor appointments.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Thanks Steve.
Your response on what those restrictions were should have been answered by Phil instead of his foolish response. I don't have to be contracted to a carrier to discuss a recent event in which I participated with that particular carrier. There wasn't anything negative other than to state my experience. It isn't like I am telling people how to use their QC for heavens sake.

Anyways, it was good Steve you made it home. At the time, the only loads going from SLC to Chicago were too heavy for your setup. The nice 2.50 per mile expedite load went to Indy instead on Chicago. You made the right call considering those restrictions.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Nope. You are wrong Phil. I didn't misunderstand anything.

No, I am not wrong. I said PERHAPS you misunderstood, not that you DID misunderstand. The list of approved carriers changes. PERHAPS that is the reason we both got right answers from carriers. You are calling from outside, I am calling from inside. PERHAPS that explains different information. Policies change, lists change, inside peoples' understandings of how the program works change. PERHAPS any of those MIGHT explain the differences in information we share.

I knew you would probably light up when I put up a post about booking outside freight. For that reason, I chose my words very carefully and offered a factual report of how the program worked for me the one time it was tried. I was happy to see others offer positive reports on how the program worked for them too.

I know you take great pride in your ability to get outside freight. You also appear to be especially motivated to do it when FedEx'ers call you for assistance. Knock yourself out. You are not doing anything special or anything anyone else with the desire to do could not do. Most of us don't bother because the bother is not worth the effort.

two weeks ago I tried to book a load for a EO member and was told they couldn't haul it because the load was from a competitor. Two weeks ago Phil.

Be careful about generalizing from one experience to absolute truths. As I said above, lists change. Policies change. Inside peoples' understanding of how the program works also change. When a change occurs, whether it is in a two week period, or a day or in the person's mind you happen to be talking to, it is a change. Do not take something that used to happen as a carved-in-stone truth that it will always happen. [/quote]

Don't pull that fawn and bunny mess on me. I am simply stating my experience. RECENT experience.

Now there is a helpful statement to readers, "fawn and bunny mess." I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that and I doubt others know either. How about sticking to the topic?

Bottom line is there are restrictions in that program. I clearly stated that someone there could explain their restrictions. I am only commenting on ones I experienced as one trying to book a load for one of their drivers. That is confirmed already in this thread by someone with YOUR carrier that indicated I was 100 percent correct. The load from two weeks ago was a load for another EO member other than Bruno.

Of course there are restrictions in the program. I don't see anyone in this thread saying there are not. I talked about restrictions in my post, remember? Go back and read what I wrote. You will see.

Let's try to talk about this in a way that actually helps readers. I started this thread with the question, "How do you get home?" I did so in hopes of helping new people learn the answers different expediters from different carriers offered up. A few people offered good information, I thought.

Later, I shared my personal experience in using our carrier's Home Run program, including the downsides that I experienced (low paying load, inability to double up, not finding a load the first day I started looking, the fact that it takes time and effort to find outside freight, the fact that you have to talk to shippers and consignees yourself instead of relying on dispatch to do it for you.) On the positive side, the program worked exactly as designed. It helped us get home under load instead of deadheading empty the whole way.

That was my experience, as recently as a few days ago. And it was factually and objectively reported.

I don't have the ax to grind that you seem to have. Nor do I have the ability to get outside freight like you have developed. I learned this much from my one-time use of the program. If I wanted to develop outside freight getting ability, it would not take long to do so.

There is nothing special or unique about doing it. Thousands of truck drivers do it every day. It just takes a little time and effort to make it work.

Again, different strokes for different folks. If you feel the need to get outside freight, the smart thing to do is go somewhere where the policies and procedures make it easy to get outside freight. FedEx Custom Critical is no such place, and I know of no one in the Open Forum who has ever suggested it is.

I do know that if Diane and I found ourselves developing outside freight getting skills and using them on a regular basis, we would not consider that a sign of strength. We would consider it a sign of weakness. If our carrier cannot keep us loaded and profitable, such that we need to use outside freight to make things work, it would be a clear sign that we are in the wrong place using the wrong system.

Using the FedEx Custom Critical Home Run program as it was designed worked well for us, and according to reports, has worked well for others too. I trust readers will see that we did not try to make it into a square peg and force it into a round hole.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Give it a rest Phil. Your trying to spin your usual mile long BS when all that was discussed was an experience helping out some drivers. You are the one that jumped in when it wasn't necessary.
One more thing, if someone calls for me to help them out, regardless of who the carrier is, I hardly need your validation of whether it is worth it or not.
 
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dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
This is too funny.........

too sad as well.

i'm right no meeeeeeee........

gonna tell on you....

GROW UP ALREADY.

You both post some good info, to bad you taint it with immaturity.

Be Informed.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I wouldn't take hauling freight you found as a sign of a carrier's strength or weakness. In the case of Panther I know a guy that loves drives an E unit solo. He gets high miles a lot of the time on weekends going to the b.f.e. and then calls broker contacts he has and generally gets a better paying trip going back to the expedite lanes than he would if he waited on Panther. When a solo gets out in the b.f.e. it doesn't matter who they are with they'll have a hard time getting out. This way you get back to the good area in time to restart your clock, and be ready for the next weekend and hopefully some tall miles. Of course every week doesn't work out like that. People should run their business how they want to. If someone else wants to run theirs differently you shouldn't then turn around and tell the other person their business model is weak. Especially when they have been going at it, and doing good for awhile. Other than that I have to agree with dabluzman. To many people feel they need to get the last word in, and sometimes I'm one of them. ;)
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I wouldn't take hauling freight you found as a sign of a carrier's strength or weakness. In the case of Panther I know a guy that loves drives an E unit solo. He gets high miles a lot of the time on weekends going to the b.f.e. and then calls broker contacts he has and generally gets a better paying trip going back to the expedite lanes than he would if he waited on Panther. When a solo gets out in the b.f.e. it doesn't matter who they are with they'll have a hard time getting out. This way you get back to the good area in time to restart your clock, and be ready for the next weekend and hopefully some tall miles. Of course every week doesn't work out like that. People should run their business how they want to. If someone else wants to run theirs differently you shouldn't then turn around and tell the other person their business model is weak. Especially when they have been going at it, and doing good for awhile. Other than that I have to agree with dabluzman. To many people feel they need to get the last word in, and sometimes I'm one of them. ;)

I do not disagree. Kindly note that I said WE (Diane and I) would consider it a sign of weakness if WE found ourselves frequently booking outside freight. I also said different strokes for different folks.

We are in this business first for the money and second for a number of lifestyle goals. The wait-for-the beep business model we selected and truck we spec'ed meets our needs. The reason we would consider booking outside freight to be a sign of weakness (for us) is that it would be an indication that the wait-for-the-beep approach no longer meets our income objectives.

I know there are people out there who take pride in and thrive on running trucks and finding freight and running complex businesses. For them, finding freight would be a sign of strength. For us it would not be.

Again, different strokes for different folks.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
I dont know if the straight trucks are ever given relocation loads,but with a tractor,if we are out of the normal freight area,and after we sit sometimes 48 hrs depending where we are,we can get a relocation load to a busy ex-center that is lacking in trucks.This is an empty move,and after you get to the location your sent,you cant go out of service til' you get reloaded.This relocation move for a tractor is usually .90 per mile,but my last one was 1.00,and sometimes the actual pay is higher,and yes sometimes lower,cause its based on the closest ex-center going to ex-center your being relocated to.So for instance,if your in Seattle and your being re-located to Los Angeles,the move would show,d h to pick up in Reno,(of course less the 50 miles at DH pay)the ex-center for Seattle,and the re-location mileage to L A from there.If you were in Denver,and your sent to Elk Grove village.the re-location pay would be all miles from Denver.My last relocation was from Salt LAke City to Elk Grove Village Il,As i had to be home for my operation,they waved the 2 day sitting in Denver,as that would have been my ex-center.I then loaded from Elk Grove Village to Cleveland,just 25 miles fom home.I did talk with Dave KC to see if he had any contacts in SLC,which he was setting me up with a load that would have paid 2.40/mile,but since the home run program states you have to be out at least 2 weeks to get in on it,and I was only gone 3 days,I wasnt permitted to use that program.Now lets talk about the Home run program,it doesnt allow you to do LTL,you get one pick one delivery,and in a tractor,that can be a very heavy load and very cheap.I have only used the home run deal 1 time,normally,the relocation load is just fine,as my fuel mileage is somtime almost 3 miles per gallon better empty,and that will make up for hauling a heavy, cheap load.I know all about thinking out of the box,but as stated,We cant do any LTL moves with a tractor,and unless one of our actual competitors calls in a load,you cant use them in this program either.Hope this puts some lite on getting home.FECC is a non directional company,as Expedite loads may go anywhere at any time.If you need to be home at a certain time,be careful where you go,in the case of my going to Salt Lake City,that load paid enough i could have dead headed back to Chicago,and still been over $1.60 for all miles.Re-location just made it easier.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I dont know if the straight trucks are ever given relocation loads,....

Yes, straight trucks are sometimes offered relocation pay, but I do not think it happens as often as with E and ER units. The last time relocation pay was offered to us the rate was $0.70 per mile to move from Denver to Los Angeles.

Normally, we would decline such an offer and wait for freight in Denver. That time, we accepted it because we had been in Denver since Wednesday. It was Thursday afternoon and Friday was not looking good for outbound freight. We did not want to spend the weekend waiting in Denver for a Monday load that may or may not come. So we took the loss and accepted the relocation pay and moved to LA.

Had we been allowed to book our own LTL freight to relocate to a different express center, we would not have. The problem with own-booked freight is that while it is on your truck, you will not be offered loads that you might otherwise see. In our view, it is better to remain available for good loads while relocating to another express center. As often as not, a good load pops up when we are on our way.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Phil

I understand your post, but being at Panther for over two weeks now as a driver/owner and still having trucks on with FedEx Custom Critical. I would say the back haul departmentat FedEx gets an F comparied to Panthers back haul department. The trucks we have on with Panther have been running very well and not sitting. I also think a single driver can do better at Panther than at Fedex Custom Critical. It not a knock to FedEx its just the truth. FedEx is a team operation company. Phil is right C and D units do get relocation loads for .70 a mile if you didn't turn down any runs in the last 24 hrs or they have a need for you in another Express Center.

Chuck in planning is very good at doing that. I will miss him.
 
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nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
I've been told,even if your on a relocation pro,unless somone really pays attention,you may aswell be under a real load cause all you may get is a pre dispatch offer from where you are going,not from where you are
 
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nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Phil

I understand your post, but being at Panther for over two weeks now as a driver/owner and still having trucks on with FedEx Custom Critical. I would say the back haul departmentat FedEx gets an F comparied to Panthers back haul department. The trucks we have on with Panther have been running very well and not sitting. I also think a single driver can do better at Panther than at Fedex Custom Critical. It not a knock to FedEx its just the truth. FedEx is a team operation company. Phil is right C and D units do get relocation loads for .70 a mile if your didn't turn down any runs in the last 24 hrs or they have a need for you in another Express Center.

Chuck in planning is very good at doing that. I will miss him.

chuck is in w/g planning and yes he is very good,but us peons in express get relocated from the surface planners
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
We have been relocated often by Vicki in Express planning and when she asks us to relocate we jump on the relocation. She has proven to us over and over that we are much better off following her lead then just sitting where we are. We used to ask for a Pro Number to move but found like Steve that we could not get any load offers on the way. Now we ask not to be put under a pro number so that if a load comes up that we are near to we can get the offer. The bad thing about not being put under a pro number is you cannot get an t-chek advance to purchase fuel you relocation money will just be added to your next load.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
We have been relocated often by Vicki in Express planning and when she asks us to relocate we jump on the relocation. She has proven to us over and over that we are much better off following her lead then just sitting where we are. We used to ask for a Pro Number to move but found like Steve that we could not get any load offers on the way. Now we ask not to be put under a pro number so that if a load comes up that we are near to we can get the offer. The bad thing about not being put under a pro number is you cannot get an t-chek advance to purchase fuel you relocation money will just be added to your next load.

Yes Vicki Is great too,But W/G relocation usually pays more
 
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