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How Are They Going to Enforce the 30 Minute Break?

jjoerger

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
Not all loads that require babysitting are placarded. Some are not HAZMAT. Some are just paid for by the customer to help prevent theft or tampering. An example would be something being used as evidence in a legal case where the chain of custody must be ensured.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
jjoerger said:
Not all loads that require babysitting are placarded. Some are not HAZMAT. Some are just paid for by the customer to help prevent theft or tampering. An example would be something being used as evidence in a legal case where the chain of custody must be ensured.
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That is a customer problem then.....let them pay for a security guard to meet up with the truck and give them the break.....
 
jjoerger

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
OntarioVanMan said:
some customers already pay for escort service...why not pay a van driver $20.00 to babysit for a 1/2 hr?
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Or maybe the guy that polishes wheels.:)
Not everyone has been cleared to babysit freight. Imagine in a court room when a challenge to chain of custody of evidence is made. "So, a vagrant hanging out in a truck stop was responsible for the security of this evidence for 30 minutes?"
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
jjoerger said:
Or maybe the guy that polishes wheels.:)
Not everyone has been cleared to babysit freight. Imagine in a court room when a challenge to chain of custody of evidence is made. "So, a vagrant hanging out in a truck stop was responsible for the security of this evidence for 30 minutes?"
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anyone with Hazmat or Fast Card or Twic...is pretty much qualified...all have had background checks done....
 
ATeam

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
OntarioVanMan said:
If it is that crucial...then the US Marshall's office should be doing the transport anyways...they have better resources....
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This is serious business with a host of variables that seem not to have been contemplated by the rule makers. It's easy to sit in one's arm chair and toss "shoulds" out to solve whatever problem you think can be easily solved.

The reality is that the shippers, consignees, carriers and drivers are faced with a new reality and unacceptable circumstances that are not easily resolved. Most of these people took for granted the services that were previously provided and the rules that allowed the respective parties to provide them. With that about to come to a screeching halt on July 1 because of HOS rules changes, it will be interesting to see how things play out and how people who provide these services fare in the future.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
well...seems everyone adjusted when the last big change came along....that is why they get the big bucks....in the end tho....the consumer will pay for their commodities...
 
zorry

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I'm not worried about things coming to a screeching halt.

Some inconveniences, yes.

Some more money, sometimes.
Probably more opportunities for those that can adjust.

I imagine Landstar,Fedex, and Panther will adjust. The others may walk away from some freight.

And that can be good, for us.
 
ATeam

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
zorry said:
I'm not worried about things coming to a screeching halt.

Some inconveniences, yes.

Some more money, sometimes.
Probably more opportunities for those that can adjust.

I imagine Landstar,Fedex, and Panther will adjust. The others may walk away from some freight.

And that can be good, for us.
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Adjustment by carriers and drivers will be easy, once we know what to adjust to. The essence of what we provide remains unchanged; a truck and drivers. No new money will need to be laid out by us to provide whatever services we are permitted to provide in the future.

The burden will fall on the shippers and consignees who need to devise new ways to protect their important freight, or perhaps to simply decide that the freight does not need to be protected 24/7. But if the 24/7 requirement cannot be dismissed, the new HOS rules are going to be very costly to customers.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
ATeam said:
Adjustment by carriers and drivers will be easy, once we know what to adjust to. The essence of what we provide remains unchanged; a truck and drivers. No new money will need to be laid out by us to provide whatever services we are permitted to provide in the future.

The burden will fall on the shippers and consignees who need to devise new ways to protect their important freight, or perhaps to simply decide that the freight does not need to be protected 24/7. But if the 24/7 requirement cannot be dismissed, the new HOS rules are going to be very costly to customers.
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customers will have to re evaluate their needs.....do they really need 24/7?....is it an expendable item now?.... or pay the premium...
 
davekc

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
OntarioVanMan said:
If it is that crucial...then the US Marshall's office should be doing the transport anyways...they have better resources....
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Their resources are what? Calling the carriers they currently use. :rolleyes: US Marshall's office doesn't have the capability to move freight shipments directly. DOD and government shipments will likely use the same safe havens they always have.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
davekc said:
Their resources are what? Calling the carriers they currently use. :rolleyes: US Marshall's office doesn't have the capability to move freight shipments directly. DOD and government shipments will likely use the same safe havens they always have.
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Someone was talking evidence . Chain of possession ... They have a fleet of planes to move prisoners.
 
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