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RLENT

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The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) reached a favorable settlement after filing a federal lawsuit against the Department of Corrections on behalf of an inmate who was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon). The inmate, Norman Sanders, was denied access to religious services and religious texts, including The Book of Mormon.
http://www.laaclu.org/News/2005/Aug26SandersvCain.htm


The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) prevailed in its lawsuit defending the right of a Christian man to exercise his religious and speech rights by protesting against homosexuality in front of a Wal-Mart store with a sign that read: "Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles. Don't Shop There."
http://www.laaclu.org/News/2006/Crayton_111306.htm
ACLU of Louisiana Files Lawsuit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protestor | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Nevada (2006) defended the free-exercise and free-speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of Las Vegas. When the county government refused to change its unconstitutional policy, the ACLU filed suit in federal court.
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The ACLU of Southern California (2006) filed suit on behalf of a Vietnamese Buddhist Temple (Quan Am Temple) against the City of Garden Grove and its officials for violating the congregation's First Amendment rights to free religious exercise and the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. The lawsuit challenges the constitutionality of the city's zoning codes, as well as the city's application of the zoning codes to Quan Am Temple. A federal judge issued a preliminary ruling requiring the city to allow "the Temple, the Abbot, and his congregation [to] peaceably practice their Buddhist faith at the Chapwood Property immediately."
http://www.aclu-sc.org/news_stories/view/102046/


The ACLU of Massachusetts (2006) helped a Rastafarian baggage screener wear his hair in accordance with his religion. The screener had been employed for three years by the Logan Airport for the Transportation Security Administration. The ACLU filed a complaint before the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission defending his religious rights.


The ACLU of Michigan (2006) called the U.S. attorney on behalf of a Muslim woman who was being pressured to have her photograph taken without her headscarf by the FBI. While she was willing to be photographed, it would have been a violation of her faith for men who were not members of her family to see her without her religious head covering. The U.S. attorney directed the FBI to accommodate the woman's religion.


The New York Civil Liberties Union (2006) filed a federal lawsuit in Manhattan defending the right of people wearing religious head coverings not to have them removed for identity photos. The case was brought against a Coast Guard regulation denying merchant marine licenses to those who would not remove the coverings for photographs.
NYCLU Challenges Coast Guard Ban on Religious Head Coverings in License Photographs | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Virginia (2006) filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting an inmate's allegation that the Virginia Department of Corrections violated the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) by refusing to provide him with meals consistent with his religious beliefs.
http://www.acluva.org/newsreleases2006/Jun12.html


The ACLU of Nebraska (2006) brought a free-exercise claim on behalf of followers of the Church of Scientology, who alleged that Nebraska's mandatory testing of newborn infants for metabolic diseases violated their religious liberty by preventing them, as new parents, from exercising their belief that a newborn should be kept quiet and serene during the first days of life.

The ACLU of Michigan (2005) file a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of a Sikh student at Wayne State University, who was charged with violating a Detroit knife ordinance for carrying a ceremonial sword called a Kirpan as required by his faith.
http://www.unitedsikhs.org/docs/kirpan_cases_cited.pdf


The ACLU of Florida (2005) represented Christian and Jewish cemetery plot owners in a challenge to the city of Boca Raton's restrictions prohibiting vertical grave markers, memorials, monuments, and other structures, including Christian crosses and Stars of David.
ACLU Defends Florida Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Cemetery | American Civil Liberties Union


The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the rights of two teenage girls who were threatened with punishment by school officials after seeking to wear, for religious reasons, anti-abortion t-shirts to school.
Iowa Civil Liberties Union Defends Right of Students to Wear Anti-Abortion T-Shirts | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) helped release a street preacher who had been incarcerated in Roosevelt County jail for 109 days. The case was brought to the ACLU by the preacher's wife and was supported by the American Family Association.
ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Michigan (2005) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Joseph Hanas, a Roman Catholic who was punished for not completing a drug rehabilitation program run by a Pentecostal group whose religious beliefs he did not share. Part of the program required reading the Bible for seven hours a day, proclaiming one's salvation at the altar, and being tested on Pentecostal principles. The staff confiscated Mr. Hanas's rosary beads and told him Catholicism was witchcraft.
ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Southern California (2005) defended an evangelical scholar who monitored the fundraising practices of several ministries and their leaders after a defamation suit was brought against him in order to silence him.


The ACLU of Michigan (2005) wrote a letter on behalf of a small Pentecostal church which was issued an eviction notice by the city of Ypsilanti. Under the city's zoning ordinance, secular groups are permitted to meet downtown but religious groups must meet outside the downtown area. After the ACLU's letter, the city reversed its position, allowing the church to remain.


The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004-2005) won two cases on behalf of predominantly African-American churches that were denied permits to worship in churches previously occupied by white congregations. In 2005, the ACLU of Pennsylvania settled a case against Turtle Creek Borough brought on behalf of the Ekklesia Church. After the ACLU's advocacy, the Borough of West Mifflin granted Second Baptist Church of Homestead an occupancy permit in 2002 and, in 2004, agreed to pay it damages and compensate it for its losses.
ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church | American Civil Liberties Union
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The New York Civil Liberties Union (2005) filed a federal lawsuit to stop the Department of Homeland Security from enforcing a policy of detaining, interrogating, fingerprinting, and photographing American citizens at the border solely because they attended Islamic conferences.
Tabbaa v. Chertoff (Challenging DHS policy or practice of detaining, interrogating Americans returning from Islamic conference) | New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) - American Civil Liberties Union of New York State


The ACLU of Michigan (2005) came to the defense of a Muslim 7th-grader who was told that she could not swim in clothing that covered her body in accordance with her faith. After negotiations with the ACLU, the county adopted a model policy that does not deny access to individuals because of their religious garb.
http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/womensrights/lettertoroberttetenswashtenawcounty.pdf


The ACLU of Washington (2005) represented The Islamic Education Center of Seattle, a small Muslim nonprofit organization that holds prayer services, education programs, and cultural activities, after the city of Mountlake Terrace denied the Center a conditional land use permit. The City denied the Center permission to operate even though it granted an allowance to a Christian church next door to the Center. With the aid of the ACLU, the Center eventually received its permit from the City.
http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=294


The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) settled a lawsuit with the New Jersey Department of Corrections on behalf of Patrick Pantusco, an inmate who was denied religious books and other items while in prison. Although it permitted persons of other religions to obtain materials for their religious practices, it denied Mr. Pantusco's requests because it did not recognize Wicca as a legitimate religion. In the settlement, the state agreed to permit Mr. Pantusco access to all requested items and pay damages.
http://www.aclu-nj.org/legal/closedcasearchive/pantuscovmoore.htm


The ACLU of Northern California (2005) filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging restrictions on an asylum seeker's right to wear a religious head covering. The plaintiff, Harpal Singh Cheema, a devout Sikh, had been imprisoned since 1997, while awaiting a decision on his asylum application. The Sikh faith requires men to cover their heads at all times, but Yuba County jail authorities would not allow Mr. Cheema to leave his bed with his head covered.
ACLU Files Lawsuit to Protect Religious Liberty of Imprisoned Asylum Seeker | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Wisconsin (2005) filed suit on behalf of a Muslim woman who had been required to remove her headscarf in front of male prison guards in order to visit her husband at the Columbia Correctional Institution. Ms. Rhouni offered to be searched by a female guard, but the prison would not accommodate her request and respect her religious belief that her head should not be uncovered in the presence of unrelated males.
Muslim Woman Sues Prison for Forcing Her to Remove Headscarf in Front of Male Guards and Prisoners | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) sued on behalf of a devout Muslim firefighter, Curtis DeVeaux, who was suspended for refusing, for religious reasons, to shave his beard as required by city regulations.
Pennsylvania Judge Upholds Muslim Firefighter's Religious Liberty in ACLU Lawsuit | American Civil Liberties Union


In response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU of Colorado (2005), the Department of Corrections agreed to resume providing kosher meals to Timothy Sheline, an Orthodox Jewish inmate, whose kosher diet was revoked for one year as punishment for allegedly violating a dining hall rule.
Colorado Agrees to Restore Jewish Prisoner's Kosher Diet in Response to ACLU Lawsuit | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Nebraska (2005) settled a lawsuit against the city of Omaha on behalf of Lubna Hussein, a practicing Muslim woman who wore a headscarf and long sleeves for religious reasons. Hussein was twice denied entry to Deer Ridge pool property to watch her children swim because she refused to wear a swimsuit. The city changed its policy to allow for medical and religious exceptions.
City of Omaha and ACLU of Nebraska Announce Settlement in Lawsuit Over Muslim Woman Barred from Public Pool | American Civil Liberties Union
ACLU Files Swim Suit - Channel 6 News - The People You Know. The News You Trust.


The ACLU of Southern California (2005) represented a Native American inmate who refused, for religious reasons, to cut his hair. Prison officials punished the inmate by revoking his visitation rights and extending his time in prison. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit held that the prison ban on long hair violated the prisoner's religious freedom and ordered the prisoner released immediately.
ACLU of Southern California Wins Release for Native American Inmate Who Refused on Religious Grounds to Cut His Hair | American Civil Liberties Union
ACLU Files Religious Liberty Lawsuit on Behalf of Native American Who Refuses to Cut Hair | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU (2005) filed an amicus brief in the U.S. Supreme Court supporting a group of Ohio prisoners who were denied religious items and literature, as well as time to worship, in violation of federal law. The Supreme Court decided in favor of the prisoners, upholding the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 (RLUIPA).
ACLU Applauds Supreme Court Ruling Protecting Religious Liberty in Prisons | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Southern California (2005) supported Jewish residents of Orange County after a special election was scheduled on the first day of the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah. The ACLU called on the county to make accommodations for Jewish residents who wished to vote early in the election.


The ACLU of Virginia (2005) filed suit on behalf of Cynthia Simpson, a Wiccan woman whom county leaders refused to include in a list of religious leaders invited to give invocations at meetings of the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors. The Board's reason for refusing to add her to the list was that "Chesterfield's non-sectarian invocations are traditionally made to a divinity that is consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition."
Simpson v. Chesterfield County


The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) successfully represented a Rastafarian mother and her fourth grade son before the Lafayette Parish School Board. The Board seized the child's
books and suspended him for having dreadlocks. The nine-year-old child was allowed to return to school.
http://www.laaclu.org/News/2005/Dec0705DreadlocksRapides.htm
 

RLENT

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The ACLU of New Jersey (2004) appeared as a friend of the court to argue that a prosecutor violated the New Jersey Constitution by striking individuals from a jury pool after deciding that they were "demonstrative about their religion." One potential juror was a missionary; the other was wearing Muslim religious garb, including a skull cap. The ACLU-NJ also argued that permitting strikes based on jurors' display of their religion would often amount to discrimination against identifiable religious minorities.
http://www.aclu-nj.org/legal/closedcasearchive/statevlloydfuller.htm


The ACLU of Nebraska (2004) defended the Church of the Awesome God, a Presbyterian church, from forced eviction under the City of Lincoln's zoning laws. The ACLU of Nebraska also challenged city ordinances requiring religious organizations to meet safety standards not imposed on non-religious groups.
ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) prevailed in its arguments that the government had to allow Amish drivers to use highly reflective gray tape on their buggies instead of orange triangles, to which the drivers objected for religious reasons.
Amish appeal buggy ruling


The ACLU of Virginia (2004) threatened to file suit against the Fredericksburg-Stafford Park Authority after the Park Authority enacted an unconstitutional policy prohibiting religious activity in the park and the Park Manager stopped a Cornerstone Baptist Church minister from conducting baptisms in the park. Under pressure from the ACLU, the Park Authority revoked the prohibition and allowed baptisms in the park.
Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks | American Civil Liberties Union
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The ACLU of Michigan (2004) wrote a letter on behalf of a student at Central Michigan University whose Hanukkah candles were seized from his dorm room by campus officials. Although the university allowed students to smoke in the same dorm, it claimed that the candles posed a fire hazard. After the letter was sent, the university changed its policy.


The ACLU of Washington (2004) reached a favorable settlement on behalf of Donald Ausderau, a Christian minister, who wanted to preach to the public and distribute leaflets on the sidewalks around a downtown bus station in Spokane, Washington.
http://www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=57


With the help of the ACLU of Pennsylvania, Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (2004), an Episcopal social services group was able to keep its program of feeding the homeless running. The County Health Department reversed its decision that meals served to homeless people in a church must be cooked on the premises, as opposed to in individual homes. Had the decision not been reversed, the ministry would have been forced to cease the program.


The ACLU of Nevada (2004) represented a Mormon high school student, Kim Jacobs, whom school authorities suspended and then attempted to expel for wearing t-shirts with religious messages.


The ACLU of Michigan (2004) represented Abby Moler, a student at Sterling Stevenson High School, whose yearbook entry, a Bible verse, was deleted because of its religious content. A settlement was reached under which the school placed a sticker with Moler's original entry in the yearbooks and agreed not to censor students' yearbook entries based on their religious or political viewpoints in the future.
After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries | American Civil Liberties Union


The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (2004) filed suit on behalf of the Old Paths Baptist Church against the City of Scottsburg after the city repeatedly threatened to cite or arrest members who held demonstrations regarding various subjects dealing with their religious beliefs.
ACLU Sues to Protect Free Speech Rights of Anti-Abortion Church Group in Indiana | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) intervened on behalf of a group of students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing candy canes and a religious message in school. The ACLU succeeded in having the suspensions revoked and filed a friend-of-the-court brief in a lawsuit brought on behalf of the students against the school district.
ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Rhode Island (2003) interceded on behalf of an interdenominational group of carolers who were told they could not sing Christmas carols on Christmas Eve to inmates at the women's prison in Cranston, Rhode Island.


The ACLU of Michigan (2003) defended the right of a pastor to erect a large sign on the lawn of the Wesley Foundation in Mt. Pleasant stating, "We Value All Life; End the Cycle of Violence." The city claimed that the church had violated a city sign ordinance, but after the ACLU's involvement, the city allowed the sign to stay up and stated that the ordinance would be reviewed.
Central Michigan Life ? ACLU says city ordinance was unconstitutional


The ACLU of Florida (2003) represented a Muslim homemaker whose driver's license was revoked after she declined on religious grounds to remove her veil for a driver's license photo. Noting that the state allowed others to obtain driver's permits without photographs, the ACLU argued that the photograph requirement imposed a needless burden on the woman's exercise of her religion with no benefit to public safety.
ACLU Asks Florida Court to Reinstate Suspended Driver's License of Muslim Woman Forced to Remove Her Face Veil | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Virginia (2002) and the late Rev. Jerry Falwell prevailed in a lawsuit arguing that a Virginia constitutional provision banning religious organizations from incorporating was unconstitutional.
In Win for Rev. Falwell (and the ACLU), Judge Rules VA Must Allow Churches to Incorporate | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Ohio (2002) filed a brief in support of a preacher who wanted to protest abortion at a parade, but was prohibited from doing so in an Akron suburb.
freedomforum.org: ACLU backs abortion protester cited for graphic poster


The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) filed a friend-of-the court brief supporting a group of Christian students who sued Davenport Schools asserting their right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.
ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU of Nebraska (2002) filed a friend-of-the-court brief challenging a Nebraska Liquor Control Commission regulation that defined "church" in a manner that excluded all religious organizations that do not own property. The ACLU argued that the "definition of a church established by the Liquor Control Commission violated the rights of members of the House of Faith to the free exercise of their religion."
freedomforum.org: Nebraska high court: Church needn't own property to be a church


The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of Christmas and promoting Christianity as the "one true religion." The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority had refused to allow the paid advertisements to be posted and refused to sell additional advertising space to the church.


The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2002) supported the members of Congregation Kol Ami in their fight to use a former Catholic convent as a synagogue. The ACLU of Pennsylvania argued that the Abington Township Board of Commissioners' opposition to the proposed use of the convent violated the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.
ACLU of Pennsylvania Supports Congregation's Fight for Religious Freedom | American Civil Liberties Union
Celebrating Christmas in America | American Civil Liberties Union


The ACLU and its affiliates (2000-2011) have been instrumental supporters of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which gives religious organizations added protection in erecting religious buildings and enhances the religious freedom rights of prisoners and other institutionalized persons. The ACLU worked with a broad coalition of organizations to secure the law's passage in 2000. After the law was enacted, the ACLU (2005) defended its constitutionality in a friend-of-the-court brief before the United States Supreme Court and the ACLU of Virginia (2006) opposed a challenge to the law before the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Cutter v. Wilkinson | American Civil Liberties Union
ACLU of Virginia Defends Federal Law Guaranteeing Religious Rights of Prisoners | American Civil Liberties Union
 

Turtle

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The ACLU is a mostly evil organization pursuing positions and actions that are against the majority of citizens.
Those who think that are the same people who want to be able to make exceptions to the rules, depending on their own religious or political bent. The ACLU holds an absolutist view of liberties, where they defend all people whose liberties have been violated, even if their views, ideas or actions are unpopular. As a result, the ACLU ends up defending Nazis, pornographers, religious zealots and extremists of all types, the very people who are mostly likely to have the exceptions to the rules apply against them.
 

Turtle

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RLENT, you really shouldn't display the ACLU's nutbag like that to Leo. He'll have an aneurism.
 

RLENT

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RLENT, you really shouldn't display the ACLU's nutbag like that to Leo. He'll have an aneurism.
The ACLU are actually the sane ones - they believe in civil rights and freedoms for all ... regardless of the particular creed ...

When Leo starts talking about the ACLU "pursuing positions and actions that are against the majority of citizens" he's largely referring to things that he finds personally objectionable ...

Of course, he'd do the exact same thing himself that he accuses the ACLU of doing (pursuing positions that are against the majority of citizens) ... if doing so aligned with his own beliefs and personal predilections ...

Such is the nature of those that would prefer tyranny of the majority ... and so his post just dripped with the hypocrisy of it, as they quite often do ...

BTW - in terms of the aneurism ... who knows ... it might actually be an improvement in mental function ...
 
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layoutshooter

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You know ... nah ... you ain't worth it ... and the fact of the matter is after the follow-ups to this post, there really isn't any necessity for me to actually say it ...

Though I do guess the really ironic thing is that when searching for the above, you probably weren't but a click away from what follows below:

The ACLU vigorously defends the rights of all Americans to practice their religion. But because the ACLU is often better known for its work preventing the government from promoting and funding selected religious activities, it is sometimes wrongly assumed that the ACLU does not zealously defend the rights of all religious believers to practice their faith. The actions described below – over half of which were brought on behalf of self-identified Christians, with the remaining cases defending the rights of a wide range of minority faiths – reveal just how mistaken such assumptions are. (The list below includes examples from the past decade only.)

Thank you for the information, I will look at it, may take a while. Thank you too for the insult. It made the rest of the post much more effective.

I don't recall every hearing of a time when the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES attempted to establish a religion. Can you show me one? The ACLU suit to remove the 10 commandment display in NM is way out of line in my opinion. There is zero evidence there that the display in any way, shape or form, in proof of the CONGRESS establishing a religion.

I can't wait to see what the ACLU will do with that kid in WV who was suspended and CHARGED for wearing a NRA Tshirt. My gut tells me that they will ignore it. I hope I am wrong. Cup of coffee says they will?
 

RLENT

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Mercy, that was a lot of info and I was under the understanding the ACLU were the bad guys, hmmm.
skyraider,

Examining the actual record might be a worthwhile exercise ... not only from the standpoint of knowing the real truth of the matter ... but also in recognizing that some critics of the ACLU have their own agendas and probably aren't being exactly honest in their representations ... to say nothing of just being somewhat fair ...

I might not agree with all of the ACLU's views and logic with respect to the entirety of the fights that they get involved in ... nevertheless, I have a great deal of respect for much (or most ?) of what they do ...

Perfection is not a requirement for me to give my respect, admiration, or support.

ACLU of Massachusetts maybe some education is called for now.
Education is always a good thing ;)
 
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LDB

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Wow, a complete listing of every correct action taken by the ACLU in the last decade. Very impressive. I wonder how many thousands of total cases those few dozen cases compose the blind squirrel.
 

RLENT

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Wow, a complete listing of every correct action taken by the ACLU in the last decade.
Interesting to see that you agree in all cases I listed ...

BTW - since it apparently escaped your notice - this listing is only reflects where the ACLU was involved in religious cases ...

I rather doubt that it is all-inclusive and represents the entirety of "every correct action" that they have taken ...

As per usual, your glibness and frivolity renders your commentary to a decidedly low value/worth ...

Very impressive. I wonder how many thousands of total cases those few dozen cases compose the blind squirrel.
Apparently that aneurism is helping ... at least it's got you asking something that resembles the correct question ... even if you're doing so in your typical warped and deranged manner ...

Get back with us after you've researched it, and let us know of all these (egregious) cases remaining that compose the remainder of the total (in a similar listing to what I provided would be nice) ... so that we might accurately judge whether your representations on the matter are worthy of meritorious consideration ... or whether it's just another fallacious attempt of Chicken Little disingenuously proclaiming victimhood ...
 
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Turtle

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Wow, a complete listing of every correct action taken by the ACLU in the last decade. Very impressive. I wonder how many thousands of total cases those few dozen cases compose the blind squirrel.

There it is! Hallelujah! There's the smarmy comment I was expecting.
Thanks much for not disappointing. :D
 

LDB

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Let's see, hours of research and pasting or just seeing the insulting belittling response here. The end result is the same. I'll take the easier option. Actually, the more I get the insulting responses talking down to me the more I'm affirmed. As long as I've got the usual responders the additional proof from the source isn't needed.
 

layoutshooter

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I wonder, has there ever even been an attempt by the Congress of the United States to "establish" a religion? I honestly don't know of any.

I put the following question into Google and came up with nothing.

Has the Congress of the US ever tried to establish a state religion?

Anyone else able to come up with something? I did see that North Carolina may be making some noise about a "state religion" but nothing about the US Congress.
 
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Turtle

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I wonder, has there ever even been an attempt by the Congress of the United States to "establish" a religion? I honestly don't know of any.

I put the following question into Google and came up with nothing.

Has the Congress of the US ever tried to establish a state religion?

Anyone else able to come up with something? I did see that North Carolina may be making some noise about a "state religion" but nothing about the US Congress.

No, Congress never has, because it's in the Constitution that they can't. But it was a bone of contention with the framers of the Constitution, in part because the Church of England was established in Virginia as the official religion, and the other states didn't want any part of it.

By 1702 all 13 American colonies had some form of state-supported (mandated) religion. The state support varied from religious requirements for voting, owning property, or serving in the legislature. Most instances of state-supported religion were removed before 1850, and the remaining state requirements became null and void after the passing of the 14th Amendment in 1868.
 

Moot

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I am SO sorry! It's the heat down here. Got WAY past the point where the brain shuts down! I will use the AC from now on to keep my brain cool. The "chip" is so FAST it overheats easy! :D
Have you gotten that bat infestation under control yet?
 

layoutshooter

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No, Congress never has, because it's in the Constitution that they can't. But it was a bone of contention with the framers of the Constitution, in part because the Church of England was established in Virginia as the official religion, and the other states didn't want any part of it.

By 1702 all 13 American colonies had some form of state-supported (mandated) religion. The state support varied from religious requirements for voting, owning property, or serving in the legislature. Most instances of state-supported religion were removed before 1850, and the remaining state requirements became null and void after the passing of the 14th Amendment in 1868.


OK, that is what I thought, just making sure I had not missed something.

As to it being in the Constitution and therefor congress has not done it does not fly. The Second Amendment says, "Shall not be infringed" and the congress has, and still is, infringing on it all over the place. That kills that.
 

layoutshooter

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Have you gotten that bat infestation under control yet?

I told you, no bats. Did have ants and mice at one time, taken care of. Have not been able to figure out how to get rid of the moles. I have snakes in the yard but there is just not enough of them to handle the problem. The moles are bad all over the area.
 
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