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TJ959

Veteran Expediter
I think this is the place for this question. How many miles are too many to run in a legal 11 hour straight through run. Assuming you are driving through several states with speed limits from 55 to 70 mph. I know what I think but the pressure is on in this slow period to take what comes up. This issue has come up off and on with me and I'm sure with others. Many of us hate to turn down loads and no-one wants to get a reputation for being un-cooperative with dispatch.
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
It is simple math and if it does not work when you check it, you are telling a tale on your logs.

Just use the speed limit in the State you are running. If the speed limit is 70, you can do a 140 miles in two hours. Now reality is you can not actually do that but that is my suggestion if you are figuring your accept decline that way.

Most of the time it has been my experience that if I use 50 miles an hour as my speed to calculate with, it is then quick head math and 99% reality.

If you are going into this much detail to accept or decline I would say use the speed limit per State and use it as an average. As you would some times go slower and although I know no one would do it, but sometimes faster. Then bring in the big math which would be you allowable driving hours.



aceman
OTR O/O
 

merkurfan

Expert Expediter
There is not a dispatcher worth keeping in the office that will try to get a solo to do a load they can't legally do. Some companies base it on a average speed plus sometime for the unexpected. My company bases it on 49 MPH and 45 minutes. If your company is trying to get you to do runs that you can not legally log they are in deep doo doo.

As for how many miles in 11 hours. at 60 MPH you could go 660 miles. This assumes you never go slower than 60 MPH and never stop. Most will say 550 or so safely with stops to take a wiz, fuel or eat.
 

TJ959

Veteran Expediter
Ok, nuff said. That's the way I figure it. I use as a rule of thumb - less than 600 miles period!!! I guess I'm getting parinoid because I should have turned down a load I'm on for this afternoon. Maybe it will be the last one for a while.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I figure an 11 hour run is good to a max of about 600 miles. Your 11 driving hours shouldn't be affected by fuel, meals etc. unless you take over 3 hours for those because that's part of your 14 hours. You have to allow for getting up to speed as well as slowdowns but barring those interstate closures with 9 mile backups it's worked fine so far. My company figures distances based on 47mph and 15 minutes loading. That's the part that can become a problem because it's rare to be out by 15 minutes after the shipper protect time. It works out though because I don't drive 47mph. At 55mph in 9 hours I've covered 495 miles while they've planned me to be 470 miles at 10 hours so I've made up about 1.3 hours by then. Just do what you're comfortable with and stay safe.

Leo
truck 4958

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BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
805 miles in 12 hours... ya, I was tired.

Relay driver went to the welcome center... on the wrong interstate!

Smile!
 

M A WEBSTER

Expert Expediter
Can't say in a s/t or t/t but in a 1 ton in order to average 60mph you have to run steady at 70mph. I always check every 1or2 hrs to see if i'm averaging 60mph.Be Safe GOD BLESS
 

JohnMueller

Moderator
Staff member
Motor Carrier Executive
Safety & Compliance
Carrier Management
TJ959;

I'm sure that your safety director would give you some great advice and tell you to figure about 50 MPH. Reason being is that you run into urban areas, two lanes, and other areas where you cannot legally reach that 60, 65 or 70 MPH posted speed limt. In 11 hours I would like to see no more than 600 absolute max. Safety directors are usually pretty realistic people when it comes to this topic - especially really good safety directors. I know that your safety director really appreciates a GREAT DRIVER like you!

Operations Managers on the other hand .......

Nuff said.

TJ959, "chubby, old guy" Thanks for the great job you do!

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TJ959

Veteran Expediter
Hey chubbier old guy. I do figure at 60 mph as you know but sometimes I have a hard time saying no. Thing is... I won't any more because there's no need to stick my neck out like that. Thanks for the input and the good vibes. Let's go fishing soon ... TJ
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
What you can run is what your safety officer will allow . I once got written up by my safety department for averaging 67 m.p.h. where there was a 70 m.p.h. speed limit and I made one stop for fuel . I was told I can't average over 65 m.p.h. . I asked what I could average where the speed limit was 55 . I was told 65 m.p.h. . Go figure . Also be sure your fuel slips , tolls , fax times , etc. match your logs and you're where you say you are when you say you are .
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
>What you can run is what your safety officer will allow . I
>once got written up by my safety department for averaging 67
>m.p.h. where there was a 70 m.p.h. speed limit and I made
>one stop for fuel . I was told I can't average over 65
>m.p.h. . I asked what I could average where the speed limit
>was 55 . I was told 65 m.p.h. . Go figure . Also be sure
>your fuel slips , tolls , fax times , etc. match your logs
>and you're where you say you are when you say you are .

I think that it appropriate for a company to inform it's O/O's that they will only employ or retain drivers that conform to the highway laws and speed limits. I think it also appropriate for the carrier's safety department to inform you when their records reflect your violation of the speed limits. After all, their records are subject to periodic review by the goverment authorities to assure that the contractors they use are law abiding folks.

I further believe that as an independent contractor, you enjoy the freedom to average any speed within the legal limits that you choose without the interference of any carrier or it's representatives. If we let them dictate our manner of vehicle operation, what other employee peculiar condition will you find acceptable.

In short, the Carriers hire each of us, on a case by case basis, to safely carry it's customers freight from point A to point B during a specific time frame. We are required by our respective lease agreements to do so in a manner consistent with federal, state and local laws and regulations. How we accomplish each run is then up to us; that is why we are Independent Contractors.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
At my prior company we were told in orientation by the safety director to put in parenthesis next to the number of miles for the day either 65mph or 70mph if we were in a state allowing those speeds for trucks. He'd see that and not bother us for speed if our average was higher than expected since that was based on the states that allow 60 max for trucks. I've carried that over to where I am now and haven't heard anything one way or the other from them so I presume it's at least not hurting anything even if not helping. I haven't been called for avg speed though so something is working.

Leo
truck 4958

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

mirangerman

Expert Expediter
I've been mulling it over whether I should + my $0.02 worth because I'm not a driver -yet, and thought, what the heck - "why not". So here it is.

From what I've learned from drivers @ Schneider National, they (the Saftey Dept.)only allow 500-600 miles / day on a straight thru(solo). If you're doing that w/ stops &/ or pu's, you could get into some do-do w/ not only the sd, but also w/ DOT. With stops/pu's they allow 300-400/day


Just thought I'd add my $0.02 worth
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
latest record... 995 miles in 27 hours on the road...

the schedule:
p/u in DC (Oxon Hill, MD) and roll out at 745 am,
arrive in Florence, SC at 4pm.
arrive in Laurens, SC (up near Newberry/Greenville, SC area) at 630pm
do paperwork, unpack and hop in "the urban suburban"
and rolled out about 830 pm
arrive in Ocala, FL at 1030 AM to surprise Mom for Mother's Day.

The kicker, stopped for sleep 60 miles out of Laurens...
stopped for 4 hours to sleep in back of truck.
 

mhoy40

Expert Expediter
i dont know about other company's i can only say that our safty guy at e-1 says we can only legally run 605 miles per day as a single truck.
 

TJ959

Veteran Expediter
Actually my rule of thumb has always bee between 550 & 600 miles per day but I thought it would be a good idea to see how everyone else does it.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I run 600 to 630 miles a day on regular basis on runs to DC & NYC/NJ area's as well as down to Biloxi & FL, and I do that in under 10 hours without counting stop time, with stops I can still do 620 miles in less than 14 hours. For these safety directors and co.'s to tell you that you "can't" drive more than 550 miles in a day is crazy! They're being "too" critical. I realize they want you to be safe. I'm safe, I think 600 miles is fine, I guess these "safety directors/officers" at these co.'s, many of which I have my doubts about, are just being "safe" by limiting you to 550 miles. I have to wonder Not Only how much commercial driving these safety people have done, but also where they've done it... I mean in what part of the country have they driven.

Some of them are nuts. Just puttin' my 2 cents in.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Yes bigbusbob but, you maybe don't understand the newbee's and wannabe's ability to do the things some of us can. Think about it. If you were a safety director starting 10 newbee's a week where would you draw the line?? Someone fresh off the assembly line because it got downsized, ink on the CDL ain't even dry yet. How much rope would you give em?????
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
There are several issues a company would most likely look at when setting these milage caps for single drivers.

Of course there is safety, DOT ratings, and insurance. They are looking at average speed through states they operate in. With 55mph speed limits in OH,MI, and IL, that puts a major damper on fleet averages. Many carriers run a large amount of freight through these areas. Because of that, they set a company standard that can be met in these regions, rather than a run by run scenerio.

The other issue is on CDL trucks. If time is cut too close, you are inviting many customer service problems. Mostly folks running out of hours because of weather and accidents.
You now have incorporated more delays and money because of transferring loads and the like.

I am sure this isn't the most popular view from solo drivers standpoint, especially when many are struggling.

Because of the above, it wouldn't be prudent for a carrier to adopt a "run to the max" policy

Davekc
owner
20 years
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
FdxCC limits single drivers in any unit that requires logs to a max of 550 miles. However FDX Freight will allow a driver pulling a set of doubles to go 600 miles in 11 hours. Go Figure
 
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