Home Sales UP 11%....

chefdennis

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Yes they are....the recession is over.....wait! Here is what they didn't tell us....:

Home Sales Fail Inspection

HEARD ON THE STREET
JULY 27, 2009, 4:51 P.M. ET
Business News & Financial News - The Wall Street Journal - WSJ.com

By MARK GONGLOFF

Many investors celebrated Monday after June's "surge" in U.S. new-home sales. Alas, it was largely wishful thinking.

True, the Census Bureau reported sales up 11% from May. That's a big number, at first glance justifying Monday's 4.5% leap in the Dow Jones U.S. Home Construction Index. But it fails a close inspection.

First, home sales quite often jump in June, the height of the spring selling season. When trying to gauge the strength of home sales, then, it makes more sense to compare them to the same month a year ago. That comparison is less kind -- sales were down 21.3% from June of 2008.

Seasonally unadjusted data show a total of 36,000 new homes were sold last month, the lowest June total since 1982, notes Richard Moody, chief economist at Forward Capital.

And the Census Bureau warns against assuming too much precision in these numbers, which are based on a sample survey. Accounting for a 13.2% margin of error -- at a 90% confidence level, suggesting the actual error could be higher -- new-home sales enjoyed somewhere between a 24.2% gain or a 2.2% decline from May.

New-home inventories are falling, an encouraging development. But inventories are still higher than their historical norm, and there remains an avalanche of distressed sales.

Little wonder, then, that June's "surging" sales were driven by heavy discounting. The median new-home price -- not seasonally adjusted -- fell 12% in June from a year ago to $206,200, the lowest June sales price since 2003. And it was down 5.8% month on month.

To paraphrase Pyrrhus, if sales keep soaring like this, then homebuilders will be utterly undone.
 

Poorboy

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Just Goes to show You The Old Saying and That is: Figures Don't Lie, But Liars Can Figure! Typical Politicians Doing their Best to Fool the Public!! :D
 

layoutshooter

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Yep, home sales are up a bit. That $8000 tax break the WE have to pay for is helping. I just don't understand why I have to help someone else buy a house, or a car, when I am struggling to pay my OWN bills? Makes NO sense to me. Maybe if things get worse and I have to start major cut backs in my expenses I will start with my TAXES!!!
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yep, home sales are up a bit. That $8000 tax break the WE have to pay for is helping. I just don't understand why I have to help someone else buy a house, or a car, when I am struggling to pay my OWN bills? Makes NO sense to me. Maybe if things get worse and I have to start major cut backs in my expenses I will start with my TAXES!!!

Now that GM loads are now back on the NLM board...I FULLY expect you guys who said they'd NEVER support/buy a GM product will be refusing these loads!!....if you do, your no better then the politics you subscribe to....:eek:

Fact is the automakers like GM are restarting and bringing AMERICANS back to work....no matter the numbers new home sales are better then they were....companies are slowly responding to their enviroment....YES...OBama is lousey BUT...Lets support the USA...lets get people working and drawing a paycheck again...
 
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layoutshooter

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I will look to buy GM IF and WHEN they are no longer extension of the government. As to loads, there are already loads that I would refuse on moral grounds. Either a person stands up for what they believe or they do not.
 

highway star

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I won't buy a Gm vehicle, but as far as hauling the load, I'm at least getting some of my money back in my pocket. Or, am I totally off base and being a hypocrite?
 

layoutshooter

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Not in my book. I would have no moral objection to taking a load like that. I have political objections to a purchase from them right now. Part of the problem is we don't know who the loads are going to or from. Once I accept I will not likely ever take myself off of a load unless there is a TRUE moral objection to the freight. That would not be fair to my carrier OR the customer to commit to a load then turn it down without serious reasons.
 

Poorboy

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I will look to buy GM IF and WHEN they are no longer extension of the government. As to loads, there are already loads that I would refuse on moral grounds. Either a person stands up for what they believe or they do not.

Said on Todays News that the Govt. Wants to sell their Shares in Both GM and Chrysler! Hmmmm Makes ya Kinda Wonder if the Payoff to the UAW is Finally Paid Off! :rolleyes:
 

Tennesseahawk

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Now that GM loads are now back on the NLM board...I FULLY expect you guys who said they'd NEVER support/buy a GM product will be refusing these loads!!....if you do, your no better then the politics you subscribe to....:eek:

Fact is the automakers like GM are restarting and bringing AMERICANS back to work....no matter the numbers new home sales are better then they were....companies are slowly responding to their enviroment....YES...OBama is lousey BUT...Lets support the USA...lets get people working and drawing a paycheck again...

I haul International too. Should I buy their trucks? Fact is, I haul for many different customers. It doesn't mean I'm obligated to buy their products. Quid pro quo. I haul their stuff; they pay me for doing so. End of obligation.
 

witness23

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I think OVM was asking the ones on here that said they would not support GM anymore. Unless you made that statement It doesn't really matter what you buy or haul or except freight from. Those of you that will admit to bashing GM for what they did I would be interested in hearing from you.

Will you or will you not haul a GM or Chrysler load?
 

Tennesseahawk

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I think OVM was asking the ones on here that said they would not support GM anymore. Unless you made that statement It doesn't really matter what you buy or haul or except freight from. Those of you that will admit to bashing GM for what they did I would be interested in hearing from you.

Will you or will you not haul a GM or Chrysler load?

I've bashed GM, Chrysler, Ford, and the unions. I bash GM especially now, because they are no longer a free enterprise company, but a government toy. What I'm for or against does not determine whose products I haul. If they called me for a load going to the White House, I'd haul it. Disney, CNN, ACORN, the Socialist Party of America, Rainbow Coalition, Brittney Spears's sound equipment, Hillary Clinton's new girlfriend's sex toys - doesn't matter. They need freight moved, and I haul freight.

Now saying that, if the ACORN load ends up being brown shirts, I will draw the line. Otherwise, it's just business.
 

greg334

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I won't buy a new GM or Chrysler product, I do not believe in a company like GM that screws their shareholders and debt holders through the courts. I refuse to shop at Kmarts for the same reason - the company screwed the employees and the people who beleived in the company. I will go to Walmart or another store, even if I am starving.

What GM did was not right, it doesn't matter if the union workers are back to work, it was wrong. The union has been instrumental in the demise of the company and refuse to give things up, so I can't feel sorry for any of them. Their pride sits not with the product they build but with the union, so let the union give them a paycheck, I want my tax money back.
 

witness23

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I won't buy a new GM or Chrysler product, I do not believe in a company like GM that screws their shareholders and debt holders through the courts. I refuse to shop at Kmarts for the same reason - the company screwed the employees and the people who beleived in the company. I will go to Walmart or another store, even if I am starving.

What GM did was not right, it doesn't matter if the union workers are back to work, it was wrong. The union has been instrumental in the demise of the company and refuse to give things up, so I can't feel sorry for any of them. Their pride sits not with the product they build but with the union, so let the union give them a paycheck, I want my tax money back.

If you are offered a GM or Chrysler load will you haul it?
 

OntarioVanMan

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so far it is money over morals....

As some here have said they won't buy GM products because of the government ownership...they won't support the company BUT it would appear they'd help support the supply line so others can buy the product....hmmmm

I would ask...

Is it GM's fault? They asked for money..the government could have said no....GM's ceo's were only doing their jobs...

A child asks for a dollar for ice cream, the parent gives it to them...it's the kids fault?
 
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Tennesseahawk

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The fact that I can do business with something I'm diametrically opposed to does not phase me one bit. If they're willing to pay my price, I'm willing to haul as much freight as they'll give me. On the other foot is their shoe that preaches "Buy American", yet the bulk of their product is made in Mexico. The fact that our government, which basically owns GM now, refuses to close all GM factories in Mexico, and move the jobs back to the US, is further hypocrisy.

Likewise, I'm sure there are some Arab truck drivers who haul pork products; but won't engage in the succulent bovine festivities most Americans would. What would you say to them? They, like all truckers, are out to make a buck.

Our morals are spoken thru our OWN pocketbook. I disagree with GM, therefore I won't buy from them. If they disagree with me, they're welcome to not purchase my services. Frankly, I doubt they care.
 
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greg334

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Witness, yes. Business is business and by taking a load from GM or Fiat, it has little to do with supporting their products through the sales of them.

OVM, GM knew exactly what they were doing, they knew what was going to happen, and there is no reason why the Obama administration needed to be involved.

Here is one thing for you to think about. Federal Mogul went into bankruptcy back in the 80's, there were in bankruptcy for years and came out of it. They had to re-org from the top down, they had to shed products and they had to tighten up their finances. GM on the other hand took 28 days in bankruptcy, didn't do any re-organization at all when they had the chance and still has very bad accounting practices in place, not to mantion the entire culture is still in place. They only shed the product lines that they claim were not propfitable and the expectations are that they will come back strong and maintain if not gain market share in some areas of the NA market.

With that said, as one who knows the inside of the company, they can't come back the way they are talking about. They are selling two of their european mainstays, they got rid of the NA mainstay and shed others. Their vehicle production last year was 1.8 million cars world wide but it is the NA market that gave them the most problems, they were losing market share and complaining about it - what do they do? Close dealerships, cut products that are selling and come out with a specialty vehicle expecting it to sell and gain the company popularity - no way will they regain marketshare or even survive.

See OVM the problem is that all three of these companies knew what was going to happen if they took the money. There wasn't a thing hidden by the government, it was all spelled out in the contract they signed to get the money. Ford looked all of it and said "maybe we'll wait in that" and did. What happened to Ford is this; they gained market share, they took some of th bad debt they held and some of the obligations to the debt holders and turned that into stock which was issued at lower than normal rates and they have a cash reserve of 21 billion - they did it right.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I agree..GM did it wrong...and like a child asking for an ice cream didn't work for it...or work it out...they merely asked and the government gave.... it was wrong.

Now they(GM) are restarting...time to get the government out(pay) them off...some will say now, that the government won't want to get out...they now have leverage to push the green car....we will see how that turns out...

I just had a brain fart and just now absorbed what you said...GM won't be successful in the long term because basically they are the same dinosaur...other then shedding some weight same creature....ok
 
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chefdennis

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The government will sell their stock and get out of "ownership" of GM but not 100%...beyond that and more important is the government controls the Board of Directors and will be making the decisions at GM right down to product availability.....

As far as buying their products and hauling their freight...i'll never buy a car built by them as long as the gov is in control other a "NOS" (new old stock) piece of inventory that "pool" company has and that is it...i will never have another GM product as my personal family vehicle...will i haul their freight? you bet...and i'll be paid by the "Taxpayers"....because that is all the money GM has....the same with Chysler....fiat didn't bring a dime to the table...and neither is making a profit...so again, i'll hauler their freight and take the "Taxpayer" dollars as my pay....
 
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OntarioVanMan

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generalizing

I don't like what the government did- won't support it

Don't like what GM did -won't support it

the whole deal was anti-American I hate it, -won't support it...

BUT I'll haul their freight to help build a car I won't buy
financed by an Admin(gov) I hate and won't support.

hmmmm
 

greg334

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I think that the reasons many will haul their freight is because it has to do with the control we have at that point. Most of this was done without our approval, many don't like loans or intervention like it happened but by hauling the freight, we control some little part of it - and in many ways we get a direct payback from our money that our great great grandkids will be paying for.
 
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