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AMonger
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Absolutely. During the last presidential election, when the GOP (party of big government) actively interfered with Dr. Paul's campaign, the order went out to their minions, mainly Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, to GET HIM. If you listened to it, it was obviously coordinated. Beck is more entertaining than Rush and exponentially more intelligent than virtual semi-epsilon Hannity. But he does have Moron Trivia during football season, so that's his redeeming quality.
Beck's no libertarian. He's a neocon. But no, Dr. Paul isn't terribly presidential; he's just right. But not being presidential is apparently not very high on the list of priorities of the American people. How long has it been since we've had a president who could be considered to be presidential? It's been a long, long time.
Though Dr. Paul may not be as good as expressing himself as Beck, Beck admits he's right. There were occasions on which Dr. Paul would say something, and Beck would doubt it, check on it, and have to admit Dr. Paul was right. After the primaries were long underway, and after the primaries, Beck would sometimes express admiration for Dr. Paul and say that he's right (on most things, because he does maintain some disagreements with Dr. Paul; But that's ok, because Beck has the right to be wrong.), but it was too late by that point. The damage had been done. Dr. Paul was the last exit on the highway to the precipice over which we're about to plunge, and Beck said that was the exit to Crazytown and urged his listeners to bypass it. Remember that when the economy stops circling the drain and actually disappears down it.
He may be entertaining to listen to, but Beck is a tool of the big government GOP, which is not much different from the big government Demon-crats.
greg334
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The party of big government? Oh I see you think the repubs are... look around
But seriously, they are all tools, no exception. I think beck is more of a "I'll stand over here for a while and watch" person, but not like the great American and Rush, not to mention the others.
Regardless Paul didn't have a snowballs chance in h*ll. He did good until he ignored others on the libertarian end of politics and in the media (not beck). His policies seemed to be ok, his tax solution seems to be out of touch with reality and his position with pulling out all the troops on foreign soil seems to forget the treaties and other agreements in place that actually prevent us from doing that.
However, he would have had a better chance in gaining attention if the entire system was a bit better for more than two parties. The voting system isn't the problem, the selection of the candidates is the problem. I want to pick the VP and the President separately - imagine that Obama and Palin.
It was his choice of becoming a republican and the trade off is that he knew going into the election that the winner was already chosen.
But seriously, they are all tools, no exception. I think beck is more of a "I'll stand over here for a while and watch" person, but not like the great American and Rush, not to mention the others.
Regardless Paul didn't have a snowballs chance in h*ll. He did good until he ignored others on the libertarian end of politics and in the media (not beck). His policies seemed to be ok, his tax solution seems to be out of touch with reality and his position with pulling out all the troops on foreign soil seems to forget the treaties and other agreements in place that actually prevent us from doing that.
However, he would have had a better chance in gaining attention if the entire system was a bit better for more than two parties. The voting system isn't the problem, the selection of the candidates is the problem. I want to pick the VP and the President separately - imagine that Obama and Palin.
It was his choice of becoming a republican and the trade off is that he knew going into the election that the winner was already chosen.
AMonger
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Both of the main parties are. Thing is, we look at them like they're two parties, but it's more like one guy with a different sock puppet on each hand. We're just not supposed to notice there's only one guy, ideologically speaking, and that there's essentially no difference between them. The Demon-crats want to run us off a cliff at 100 mph. The Reptilians say that's outrageous, and we should only go off at 70 mph. So what's the difference between the two? About 30 mph.
Please tell me when you say The Great American, you don't mean Hannity. Please. Please. Please. He's the worst of the bunch.
I used to listen to Rush all the time. Worked swing shift for a while and would always wake up in time to listen to him before going to work. Used to love him. That was back when he talked mainly of ideas and concepts, rather than being a shill for the GOP. That's what he's been for years. Can't listen to him for more than 20 minutes at a time, now.
He wanted smaller, constitutionally-limited government, and the GOP will have none of that, no more than the Demon-crats. His candidacy had to be stopped, so they started talking about black helicopters and Area 51 and tin foil hats and all sorts of garbage. Those were the only questions he could get at a debate. He finally said, "Excuse me, I'd like to participate in this debate."
Usually, people like his tax policies, which, right or wrong, would be an improvement over what we have today, but then again, what wouldn't? He correctly pointed out that if you abolished the income tax tomorrow, you'd only have to cut federal spending back to the amount it was at in 1998. Even Beck loved that, after he verified it.
It's his foreign policy that people usually have trouble with. But as you mention, there are treaties, of which he's aware and has more knowledge than we do. Treaties have in them ways to get out of them. Sometimes, it's nothing more than giving 180 days notice or something. I'm sure he has the details, which we don't.
There was a court case, SCOTUS, don't remember the name of it. It had to do with voting, iirc. SCOTUS struck down the appeal of whatever it was, saying it would damage the two party system we have. Where in the Constitution, the talking heads asked the next day, is a two-party system instituted? It isn't. We could have 5, 10, 15 parties if we wanted to. But the Demon-crats and Reptilians can't have that. They're like Pepsi and Coke. As long as they're the only two real games in town, they care little about the rest.
This is from the TV show Boston Legal, an episode in which a demon-cratic delegate wanted to vote for someone other than the candidate to whom he was pledged. Alan Shore, for the plaintiff, who wanted to compel the delegate to vote for the candidate to whom he was pledged:
Alan Shore: My mother’s friend, Vivian, once told me, “There are only two kinds of people in this world, Alan. Dem that drink Coke. And dem that drink Pepsi.” Vivian got that notion, of course, from Coke and Pepsi. There may have been other colas, but Coke and Pepsi were the giants. Billion dollar behemoths who, in their own advertising, would each refer to the other guy as the only alternative. Just so long as people keep on gulping down one or the other. Makes you kind of wonder if they’re in cahoots.
Judge Clark Brown: Mr. Shore, as much as I enjoy listening to you go on and on. And on! Could you get to your case?
Alan Shore: When it comes to presidential elections, we again have only two billion dollar giants in control. The American people might get to vote for Commander in Chief but they only get two choices, Your Honor. Choices selected by two very private organizations who are both in bed with Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceuticals, Big Banking, every Big you can think of. And as a result we only get the candidates that big business and the two parties decide to favor us with. So where’s the Democracy? The sad fact is it seems that Democracy has lost its way. And as long as we remain a two party system we’ll forever be denied a taste of that delicious RC Cola because Coke and Pepsi have cornered the market.
Judge Clark Brown: He pounds his gavel. No more soda pop!
Alan Shore: Yes. Let’s let the Democratic National Committee make whatever rules it fancies. Never mind that delegates like Mitchy can ignore election results. Who cares that states like Florida and Michigan are discounted? Big deal that in Iowa the Democrats don’t get to cast secret ballots. Or that in Nevada the caucuses were on a Saturday which meant observant Jews
couldn’t vote. Hey! It’s kind of fun, this year the Democratic nominee might be decided by super-duper delegates! Political insiders who don’t have to listen to the voters at all! Insiders who according to DNC rules are allowed to, and do, accept money from the candidates. Insiders who, in fact, have accepted over a million dollars from the Clinton and Obama campaign.
Attorney Steve Duprey: Do we have to sit here and listen to this wonkish analysis?
Alan Shore: There are dire consequences here, Mr. Duprey! Presidents get to start wars! And kids, the innocent kind, die in them! Lots of kids! There are consequences. And as long as presidents get to start wars and pick Supreme Court Justices, as long as they represent the American people to the world, a world which increasingly loathes us because of our presidents, we the people should get to weigh in. Look at the choices this grand two-party system has produced this year! A grumpy old man who wants to stay at war for a hundred years versus whomever the Democrats pick! A choice which may very well come down to Mitchy’s.
That's pretty much all of them. Reptilians like to give the nomination to the next guy in line, the guy who's "paid his dues" for the most years. That's how we got Dole and McCain for nominees. Demon-crats seem to like to give the nomination to the most radical, nut-job Marxist they can dredge up from under the rock. That's how we got McGovern, Dukakis, Kerry, and Obama. And they even say up front that their system is fixed! One Demon-cratic official was asked this last election cycle what the purpose of a super delegate is. He replied, "That's in case the people make a mistake (in selecting the candidate the party doesn't want them to select)." And they accept cash from the candidates!
The way it is, Dr. Paul could have run as a Libertarian or Independent, at the cost of not being allowed on many states' ballots, or run as a Republican and try to overcome his own party's opposition, because he won't play their game. He'd rock the boat. He actually believes the Constitution mean what it says! Can't have that.
He had a better chance with the latter. Either way, he'd have lost because the game is rigged.
pelicn
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Greg, with the current climate, do you honestly think that the majority of the population even wants to get a grip on spending? Yes, people say they want it, but when it comes down to it, how many of these fine folks will give up the government goodies?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Honestly no.
The problem will be what we had with Clinton's welfare to work thing, congress passed it and he had to deal with it. It was hard to hear how many people committed suicide (honestly they did) over the fact that the state cut them off - being 35 years old, single with a college degree but not wanting to work was just too much for these guys.
We will end up with the issue before us before I am gone off this earth, maybe a lot sooner because there is a serious problem on the horizon with SS and SSI and the giveaways. Already we see we won't get back $39 BILLION from GM and Chrysler, so what's next?
Ron Paul can't get elected selling himself with his agenda, he has to do exactly what Obama did, have the right people on his side and sell the illusion that he is the main stream guy and once in - fight for what he believes in.
The problem will be what we had with Clinton's welfare to work thing, congress passed it and he had to deal with it. It was hard to hear how many people committed suicide (honestly they did) over the fact that the state cut them off - being 35 years old, single with a college degree but not wanting to work was just too much for these guys.
We will end up with the issue before us before I am gone off this earth, maybe a lot sooner because there is a serious problem on the horizon with SS and SSI and the giveaways. Already we see we won't get back $39 BILLION from GM and Chrysler, so what's next?
Ron Paul can't get elected selling himself with his agenda, he has to do exactly what Obama did, have the right people on his side and sell the illusion that he is the main stream guy and once in - fight for what he believes in.
I voted for Rand Paul last week by absentee ballot. He will win the GOP nomination tomorrow, no doubt. Rand Paul enjoys enthusiastic support from Kentucky's Tea Party activists. Rand Paul wll be elected to the US Senate from Kentucky in November.
(Turtle, did you do your patriotic chore?)
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RLENT
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Maybe not ..... he's listening to the "Glenn" Beck ..... which one are you listening to ?
And yes, Glenn Beck is a neo-con ......
Amonger, you pretty much nailed it on all counts
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
I don't know what these statements are a reply to, since you didn't quote.
That may no longer be the case. People are fed up, which is way overdue. It should have occurred long ago. Mainstream may be considered business as usual. People may finally be able to look past the way things have always been done. Or maybe our current government-caused crises have spurred people to take their heads out of their, uh, well, out of the sand and wise up a bit. I think they see the DC scam now. Dr. Paul has always been an outsider, and maybe people are beginning to realize that's the true change, as opposed to the chains.
greg334
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This was what the post was about.
Tennesseahawk
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I despise Glen Beck, ever since I heard him trash a constitutionalist conservative running for Texas governor, on his radio show. Andrew Wilkow had the candidate on, and publicly reamed Beck. Beck is nothing more than a stooge trying to get a piece of the conservative pie, while it's popular.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Perfect example: NJ voted in Cristy to cut spending, and fix NJ's economy. He does exactly that, and has a very low approval rating today. I consider New Jersey-ites the bi-polar of the US. They vote for veggies, but want their cookies.
jaminjim
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What was the persons name? What was it that Beck trashed them for?
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Debra Medina. What I got from the interview on Wilkow was that Beck stated she was an unrealistically "Ron Paul type" candidate. And he dismissed her.
Reading what I googled, apparently, her words were twisted by Beck, who portrayed her as a "911-truther".
As far as I'm concerned, I could care less what she believes is a government conspiracy, if she's running for state office. Personally, I think she was caught up in a trap, and wasn't ready for it... as she is inexperienced as a politician. I'm willing to give someone a pass on something like that. I see something here reminiscent of Palin's interview-gone-awry.
It appeared to many Medina supporters that Beck was using the "911 Truther" charge as a means to discredit Medina as a "conspiracy nut."
Medina later responded on her website, "I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement" and added, "The question surprised me because it's not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans."