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cheri1122

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Turtle: there's a few areas where your explanation/interpretation is quite different from what I've learned & observed, but I'd just like to address one [for now, lol]: the notion that giving people assistance makes them dependent upon the government, or serves as a disincentive to earn a living.
It probably would, IF the government gave enough money on which to live even a very modest life, but that's not the case. What benefits are allowed are nowhere near enough to cover rent [sure, there's subsidized housing, and the waiting lists are years long], food, [many studies have proven that food stamps don't cover adequate nutrition, even when the purchaser is a learned professional, much less the average person doing the purchasing], and the other benefits [like utilities] are replete with lengthy applications and verification requirements. Medical care: ever been to a low income clinic? I have, [in nursing school], and they're not pleasant. People wait weeks [sometimes months] for an appointment, then all day, in an overcrowded room for the doctor, who will maybe issue a prescription that requires waiting all the next day to get filled at one of the few places that accepts them. People don't, contrary to some opinions, just ask for money and receive it. Another misconception is the belief that people don't mind being on welfare -there's a few who know nothing else, but for those who had a job, [or still do, at WalMart or McDonald's] using a welfare card is accompanied by shame and humiliation. It's not what they want out of life, but the options get more limited every year. Go back to school? Yeah, right. Because tuition is pretty affordable these days, uh huh. Or they could just move to Wyoming, there's good paying jobs in the oil industry - unless you happen to be a single mother, of course.
I forget who said it, and I'm paraphrasing, but: it's real easy to make negative assumptions about the 'less fortunate' when you are not one of them yourself, and never have been.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
The USA Today says the guy turned down the offer to return.

They wouldn't offer and apology and removal of his firing from his record.

He feared future retaliation.
 

Turtle

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Turtle: there's a few areas where your explanation/interpretation is quite different from what I've learned & observed, but I'd just like to address one [for now, lol]: the notion that giving people assistance makes them dependent upon the government, or serves as a disincentive to earn a living.
It probably would, IF the government gave enough money on which to live even a very modest life, but that's not the case.
And yet the facts show that giving people assistance makes them dependent upon the government. If it wasn't plainly evident before, the recent government shutdown makes it abundantly clear, where delays in food stamps and other welfare had people freaking out. With the flip of a light switch, people suddenly couldn't afford to buy baby formula. Story after story about stuff like that came out immediately upon the government shutdown. Granted, those stories were mostly politically motivated, to get people riled up to pressure Congress to re-open the government, so that it didn't last very long, since the the longer the government shutdown lasts, the more people who would be affected. The reason is because too many people are dependent upon government.

"We are heavily dependent on federal dollars," said Julie Henry, spokeswoman for the North Carolina HHS department. "When these kinds of things happen at the federal level, it has an immediate impact."

“I would say this is an emergency,” said Alexandra Sirota, director of the North Carolina Budget and Tax Center, an organization that scrounges up government money for low-income citizens. “They’re cutting off a lifeline for thousands of North Carolina families."

A "lifeline." That sounds dependent to me.

What benefits are allowed are nowhere near enough to cover rent [sure, there's subsidized housing, and the waiting lists are years long], food, [many studies have proven that food stamps don't cover adequate nutrition, even when the purchaser is a learned professional, much less the average person doing the purchasing], and the other benefits [like utilities] are replete with lengthy applications and verification requirements....
Welfare benefits aren't designed, nor are they supposed to provide the full benefits of a middle class lifestyle. But just because they don't provide full payments to cover rent, food and utilities doesn't mean people aren't dependent upon them. However in government housing projects, rent, utilities and food are completely covered.

Another misconception is the belief that people don't mind being on welfare -there's a few who know nothing else, but for those who had a job, [or still do, at WalMart or McDonald's] using a welfare card is accompanied by shame and humiliation.
Nope. It's the other way around now. 20, 30 years ago, yeah, it was accompanied by shame and humiliation, but not today. Many years ago I was in a situation where I had to resort to using food stamps for a few months. I felt humiliated every time I went to the grocery store. On the other hand, the people at the grocery store, clerks and customers alike, made it a very un-humiliating experience, made it feel routine, normal. It would be easy to to soon start feeling less and less shame and humiliation. In fact, it happened within a few weeks. While I was nevertheless uncomfortable using welfare, I also said to myself that I would get used to this very easily. Not working and still getting free food, rent and utilities? Awesome.

Today it's the few who have shame and are humiliated by having to be on welfare. But the majority don't mind, since they're used to it and it's so pervasive. It's so pervasive and common that grocery stores heavily advertise and solicit for those WIC and other welfare dollars. It's no longer shame, it's, "I got my cut, my due, what I'm entitled to get."

I forget who said it, and I'm paraphrasing, but: it's real easy to make negative assumptions about the 'less fortunate' when you are not one of them yourself, and never have been.
It's also easy to make positive assumptions for the same reasons.
 
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