hello june.

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
While I understand, not sure how to bend the rule for every situation of what a truck wants to do and not do for a load. I understand your side, but how do you determine fair is fair every time a unit turns down a load?

What about listing all the loads we say yes to and they don't get? Another idea is they put actual reasons for why we say no. I explained that I just dead headed from huston he enters "just came from huston" like I could have been loaded not spending money I didn't really make last week.

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kurtkaoss

Active Expediter
For me, the last few months have been iffy (Hi guys, BTW).

And I agree, the whole turn down thing is a bit buggy. For example - the bid team calls you with 5 loads, and you say ok to all of them, but they never pan out. Then you get a call from dispatch that isn't to your liking, turn it down, and your LL hours get reset, lose your board position and start all over again. I just think that there needs to be an even keel somehow....and take into consideration that if you sat 5 days in one location, DH out on your own dime, and then turn down a load going back to said location...there should be a compromise.

Just my 2 cents.

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divadriver01

Expert Expediter
While I understand, not sure how to bend the rule for every situation of what a truck wants to do and not do for a load. I understand your side, but how do you determine fair is fair every time a unit turns down a load?

What are some of the reasons we can turn down a load and not have our hours restarted? I have one in mind, like being dispatched more than 8 hours out. That load could cancel and then we are left with no load, while everyone else behind us got a load. Just wondering?

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TheOGExpediterGuy

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I just hope it picks up need 2 super strong weeks before the 4th weekend! Xiggi sorry bout that man, and I agree something needs to be worked out on the turn down situation, and did I say that RIAN needs to be in bid team plz.?! He is great at it when he gets the chance! Also thanks for the birthday wishes! :)
 
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
What about listing all the loads we say yes to and they don't get? Another idea is they put actual reasons for why we say no. I explained that I just dead headed from huston he enters "just came from huston" like I could have been loaded not spending money I didn't really make last week.
For me personally, I really don't have a problem getting hit for a turn down, because if I turn down a load I have a good enough reason for doing so. I'll own it. The reason may be perfectly justifiable to me, but not at all justifiable to them, and I understand that. I once sat in KC for several days, ended up deadheading to St Louis, only to get a load offer right back to KC. I expressed my reservations, and reasons for not wanting the load, we discussed, pay was altered, I took the load. But if the pay hadn't been altered and I turned down the load, and got hit with a turn down, I'd be fine with that, because I had a good enough reason, for me, to turn it down, even though it wasn't a good enough reason to prevent getting tagged for it.

I've never deadheaded out of Texas for want of a load. Mainly because I know that I have just as good a chance as any of getting one right back to Texas. I'd rather sit and wait, rather than leave and take the chance of getting offered one right back to where I don't want to be. I know that eventually John or somebody will get tired of seeing my truck number at the top of the list.

I admit that I turn down very few loads, and the ones I do turn down are invariably provisional, that being if they can't get it covered in short order by someone else that I will run the load, no questions asked.

My resume shows two turn downs, for one load, that I didn't turn down, that we didn't even book. That it was a load out of Texas is just coincidental. :D
 
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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Well in your case Xiggi they did put in the comment why you turned the load down, I think you can see that in fleet vision but I am not sure. No way or relevance to record loads that a truck accepts or says ok to bid on. That really would not serve a purpose.

As far as allowed turn downs without a reset it is primarily any load under 200 on a single or 400 on a team. As far as time in advance for turning down a load that would not make much sense honestly. I mean is 8 hours bad, or 7 or 6 or 5? I see lots of reasons why people could say that shouldn't be a turn down but because someone doesn't want to take a load to a certain state or place just isn't one of them.

I understand like Turtle talks about the going right back thing. But it is a roll of the dice everytime. OVM turned down and took a load like that a month ago going right back to KC. Put him on a good roll after that. Not saying it will happen, but my point is you just don't know.

I think we try to apply some fair common sense to it, but that is not always easy. What one driver may see as fair the next two may not. Then it gets into how a fight about how a rule is not fairly applied and all of that mess.

For those old timers on here, remember this is a system that we came up with all of your input. It doesn't always work the way everyone would love, but in general it has been a pretty good one.
 
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xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
First time I ever dh out of Texas it was just time to get in the freight lanes for a while. Probably the first time I ever turned down a Texas load. I would guess I say yes to 98% of the loads I'm offered.

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xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Like I said John simply putting "just came from huston can sound like I got out loaded.

Turn downs in general don't bug me that much. If I turn down a load offer I don't put in for layover anyway. The combo of business since April 1st and this particular turn down was just adding insult to injury.

Since my last delivery Wednesday morning my hours have reset twice. Once for a dry run and now for a load we don't even know if we would have got.

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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Some days I wish the internet didn't work, lol. We have this "discussion" every few months. Pro's and cons to every system. I think we all agree on that. Overall I think our system has more pros than cons.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
As far as time in advance for turning down a load that would not make much sense honestly. I mean is 8 hours bad, or 7 or 6 or 5?
Yes, it is. When we accept an expedite load that's 8 hours out, we are removed from consideration from other load opportunities for all of those 8 hours. The farther out a pickup time is the better chance is has to be cancelled. If it's a good load we might prefer to take the chance of it cancelling and accept the load, but if it's a short load that doesn't pay much, we might prefer not to risk the chance of better load not even being considered because we are unavailable for it.

If I get a call on Friday night for a Monday morning pickup, I have to decide whether I'm willing to give up any and all load opportunities over the weekend, in exchange for an iffy possibility that may not pay all that well in 3 days, or might be cancelled on Sunday afternoon. If I turn that Monday load down on Friday, I shouldn't be hit with a refusal, unless dispatch can guarantee the full rate if the load cancels, because it's the full rate we are risking by taking the load so far in advance.

Obviously, there needs to be a time limit on just how far out time-wise a load can be before dispatch is willing to offer the full rate in the event of a cancel (bear with me), or in-kind, how far out time-wise a load should be before we get hit with a refusal that is a legitimate refusal. 8 hours seems to be the most realistic time frame regarding risk/reward decisions of the driver and booking efficiency of dispatch. Less than 8 hours and it's far more of a legitimate load that's not as likely to cancel, so a refusal would be just as legitimate. More than 8 hours and the load, and thus a refusal, becomes less legitimate.

Turtle I show you under 24 hours in Ohio?
Correct. less than 30 seconds after I posted that I got a load. It was just a snarly comment, because I'm in a snarky, sardonic mood today, because of something that happened on Friday, and today. No need to get you involved, unless it happens again, other than to say, if a dispatcher or a load booker (whatever they're called) screws up that requires a simple 1 or 2 minute explanation from that dispatcher or load booker (whatever they're called), the driver shouldn't be relegated to a level of irrelevance and contempt (condoned and suggested by management) simply because that dispatcher or load booker (whatever they're called) is off the clock and on their own time. They should man-up, be professional, and deal with it directly, despite the fact that in doing so the phone conversation would not be recorded. If it's that important, as the unwritten policy seems to indicate, then as ridiculous as it sounds, they should come back to the office and make the call from there. Doing the right thing, being professional, and treating others as you want to be treated should not be punch-clock dependent. It's over and done with and nothing can correct it. Mistakes happen and they can easily be forgiven, but being treated with a level of disrespect one doesn't earn, not so easily. What boggles the mind is, the one who recently asked you to add some extra points is the one who most staunchly defended it. So apparently I can be an angel or a pariah, depending on the circumstances and who is the one being inconvenienced.

For those old timers on here, remember this is a system that we came up with all of your input. It doesn't always work the way everyone would love, but in general it has been a pretty good one.
If it helps, at my previous carrier refusals didn't count if they were more than 8 hours out, or more than 24 hours out on a weekend, if it was a mini (less than 100 miles), if it was at a reduced rate (doesn't really apply at Load One).

If you turn down a legitimate, reasonable load, then you should own it and take the turn down. Merely not wanting to go where the freight goes isn't a legitimate reason for a turn down which warrants a pass on it. I believe, anyway.
 

divadriver01

Expert Expediter
But there should br a time limit of sorts. Being offered a load more than 24 hours in advance takes us out of the game. I just came up with 8 hours as somewhere to start.

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1expeditor

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Wow deadhead 800 miles out of huston on my own dime. Turn down an offer right back to san antonio and get a turn down and your hours reset. 1 load in ten days and that's my reward.

Signed, not a happy camper!

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a week ago Friday I was in san Antonio got a load offer going from temple tx to Laredo for a Monday drop i turned it down because I didn't want to sit all weekend on it was hoping to get a load out of tx that day well not
only I didn't get a load out that day or the weekend I end up dh to Laredo that tues talk about karma and a kick in the pants and yes I did regret turning down that load but that was my mistake and choice and I also will not put in for layover pay knowing I turned down a load...just my 3 cents worth
 

divadriver01

Expert Expediter
Yes, it is. When we accept an expedite load that's 8 hours out, we are removed from consideration from other load opportunities for all of those 8 hours. The farther out a pickup time is the better chance is has to be cancelled. If it's a good load we might prefer to take the chance of it cancelling and accept the load, but if it's a short load that doesn't pay much, we might prefer not to risk the chance of better load not even being considered because we are unavailable for it.

If I get a call on Friday night for a Monday morning pickup, I have to decide whether I'm willing to give up any and all load opportunities over the weekend, in exchange for an iffy possibility that may not pay all that well in 3 days, or might be cancelled on Sunday afternoon. If I turn that Monday load down on Friday, I shouldn't be hit with a refusal, unless dispatch can guarantee the full rate if the load cancels, because it's the full rate we are risking by taking the load so far in advance.

Obviously, there needs to be a time limit on just how far out time-wise a load can be before dispatch is willing to offer the full rate in the event of a cancel (bear with me), or in-kind, how far out time-wise a load should be before we get hit with a refusal that is a legitimate refusal. 8 hours seems to be the most realistic time frame regarding risk/reward decisions of the driver and booking efficiency of dispatch. Less than 8 hours and it's far more of a legitimate load that's not as likely to cancel, so a refusal would be just as legitimate. More than 8 hours and the load, and thus a refusal, becomes less legitimate.

Correct. less than 30 seconds after I posted that I got a load. It was just a snarly comment, because I'm in a snarky, sardonic mood today, because of something that happened on Friday, and today. No need to get you involved, unless it happens again, other than to say, if a dispatcher or a load booker (whatever they're called) screws up that requires a simple 1 or 2 minute explanation from that dispatcher or load booker (whatever they're called), the driver shouldn't be relegated to a level of irrelevance and contempt (condoned and suggested by management) simply because that dispatcher or load booker (whatever they're called) is off the clock and on their own time. They should man-up, be professional, and deal with it directly, despite the fact that in doing so the phone conversation would not be recorded. If it's that important, as the unwritten policy seems to indicate, then as ridiculous as it sounds, they should come back to the office and make the call from there. Doing the right thing, being professional, and treating others as you want to be treated should not be punch-clock dependent. It's over and done with and nothing can correct it. Mistakes happen and they can easily be forgiven, but being treated with a level of disrespect one doesn't earn, not so easily. What boggles the mind is, the one who recently asked you to add some extra points is the one who most staunchly defended it. So apparently I can be an angel or a pariah, depending on the circumstances and who is the one being inconvenienced.

If it helps, at my previous carrier refusals didn't count if they were more than 8 hours out, or more than 24 hours out on a weekend, if it was a mini (less than 100 miles), if it was at a reduced rate (doesn't really apply at Load One).

If you turn down a legitimate, reasonable load, then you should own it and take the turn down. Merely not wanting to go where the freight goes isn't a legitimate reason for a turn down which warrants a pass on it. I believe, anyway.

Very well spoken. :)

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divadriver01

Expert Expediter
For those old timers on here, remember this is a system that we came up with all of your input. It doesn't always work the way everyone would love, but in general it has been a pretty good one.[/QUOTE]

As a young timer because I'm not old, I think that we have to remember that with growth comes growing pains, and we "all" need to be willing to grow with those pains and listen to those "pains" and be willing to stretch where necessary. ;)

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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
While I can see the merits of the hours clause on turn downs, the problem there becomes it is a manual process. It is not something the system is going to apply. Then we go back to the problem of layover. If it is turned down layover does not apply. but if we don't log then we have no record of it. Again no perfect system.

Can we talk about bologna sandwiches some more. My head hurts, LOL.
 

1expeditor

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
While I can see the merits of the hours clause on turn downs, the problem there becomes it is a manual process. It is not something the system is going to apply. Then we go back to the problem of layover. If it is turned down layover does not apply. but if we don't log then we have no record of it. Again no perfect system.

Can we talk about bologna sandwiches some more. My head hurts, LOL.

will talk about pizza if you like lol ;)
 
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