Health Insurance

miko

Expert Expediter
Those of you, who are not covered under a spouse's health insurance plan, can you please direct me where to find affordable health insurance? I am not looking for a prescription savings plan or any other health cost savings plan. What companies are trustworthy and don't rip you off in case of a claim filing? Any info is apprciated!

miko
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RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
OOIDA has some decent plans,stay away from Mega-Life,I had them for while and they essentially stonewall you on any claim.
 

miko

Expert Expediter
Rich,
I got a phone call several weeks ago from a company that basically is a sister-company to Mega, unfortunately they don't take on people that have signed up with Mega, even tho they are 30% cheaper. I did not take the name down then since I was covered, but like to check them out again. Any idea of the name maybe?

miko
 

Lawrence

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Try this link:

http://www.expeditersonline.com/sub/goodrow/index.html


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miko

Expert Expediter
>OOIDA has some decent plans,stay away from Mega-Life,I had
>them for while and they essentially stonewall you on any
>claim.

Rich, I called, it is not really a health insurance plan.
They will have something available by the end of the year.

miko
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
I would only trust Blue Cross. Reason they will always be there and do not play the 10,000 game.

Insurance Co. A signs 10,000 people your rate is X wow cheap rate!

Two years go buy now only 3000 people left in the group and 3% have had health problems your plan now goes up 50%

Another two years goes buy and only 20% of the people are still left but more claims "because those still here cannot get insured elsewhere" so your left paying for their claims.

I pay more up front with BCBS but I do not expierence what I described above. Good Insurance with a Fair Premium. I am 45 and paying $160 a month fair not great BCBS will always be there. You cannot afford to play games with health insurance if you have any net worth. If you have no net worth than you do not necessarly need insurance.

Do not have any kind of health problems without insurance or else you never get it once you do and are not covered. Insurance companies must accept new members with current insurance but do not have to take members that are not covered currently.
 

miko

Expert Expediter
Broom:
BCBS did not really jump out on me, I think I also was a little confused with the deductables. I guess I am having a little bit of a hard time getting used to a individual health plan. I am 41, and with a $2500 deductable, I will have to pay that amount first in case I end up in the hospital and then they will cover 80%, right? And I will be stuck with another 20% of the total???

When it comes to health insurance, my wife and I are lost, we already had a scenario with her a few years ago. Now I guess life has decidet that it is my turn to have sleepless nights.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I had a plan with OOIDA for a while. It was a catastrophic plan. It had a $5,000 deductible,then they paid 90% of the next $5,000 ($4500) then 100% of the rest. Premium was $145 per month.

Problem with Mega Life was that I was told there was a $3,000 deductible,one day I read the fine print and saw that it was $3,000 per occurence, I thought it was $3,000 per calendar year,so you can see that they would pay out very little on multitude claims.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Check out www.ehealthinsurance.com
They deal with several well-established companies like Blue Cross and Golden Rule, offering a good choice of plans with variations on deductables, prescription coverage, etc.
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
This is a great question and thanks for asking it. I have the same issue. I dropped BCBS simply because they got to high. I had it from a company I worked for but because of the early out package I took it did not include lifetime coverage. Now I am with out


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highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Miko, go to a BCBS office and have them go over all the plans with you. My plan has no deductable and covers 75% right from the beggining. Office visits are not covered, but with a deductable you are paying those anyway. When my doctor orders blood tests the 75% applies. I've been with BCBS for close to 15 years and the increase in premiums has been dramatic. But, the peace of mind that there will be no problems if I end up in an ER somewhere in East Bumtucky has to be worth something.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Highway Star is Correct. Go see an independent agent. I had several plans to choose from. I do not have the best coverage but I will never go broke if I had a million or inbetween claim.

My co-pay for doctors visits is $20. the same for perscriptions. Hospital is higher but affordable.

I do not like paying this but the alternative is everything we have worked for when the day comes around should I live thru a medical emergency. I cannot put my family thru a financial hardship because I choose not to carry insurance.

Hopefully we all pass peacefully in our sleep at 80 or older. Chances are things happen and its a gamble with out insurance.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Expertise and professionalism varies greatly among insurance agents licensed to sell health insurance. Often, the same license that allows you to sell life and disability insurance covers health insurance too. While many agents can sell you a policy, that does not mean a particular agent will serve you well.

You should settle for nothing less than a senior agent that specializes in health insurance and serves self-employed individuals. To find one, or a couple to choose from, ask your car and home insurance agents to recommend one. If they say "I can serve you" politely decline. Plan B to get a senior referral would be to call auto insurance agents out of the phone book and ask for a senior health agent. The property/casualty specialists have no conflict of intrest and thus no reason to not give you a good referral.

You don't want the same person writing your health insurance as writes your car. You want a senior health insurance writter that is fully committed to successfully navigating the ongoing health insurance storms that rage today.

The notion of "affordable" health insurance gives rise to false hopes. It's all too expensive. If you want the kind of coverage expediters should have, you are going to have to pay a pretty penny for it. The money you supposedly save on a lower price product will be cold comfort if you find yourself in an Urgent Care clinic in a distant city on a Sunday afternoon with a pain in your side, and they say you must be hospitalized and they won't honor the insurance card you have in your pocket.

Economists project health insurance cost increases of 15% per year for the next several years. Bad news. The only worse news would be you falling ill or becomming injured without the coverage you need.

If you can't afford full health coverage as a self-employed expediter, you should seriously consider another field of endeavor. If you are out there without good health coverage, you are risking your health and wealth all at once. It's not worth it. Get a job where healthcare benefits are provide.

For self-employed individuals, the cost of health insurance is a cost of running a successful business. Get a price quote and include it on your spreadsheet as a fixed-cost expense. If you cannot run profitably with your healthcare costs included, listen to what your numbers are telling you and either change your business approach to increase your income, or find another line of work.
 

langren18

Expert Expediter
I've been working as a chiropractic assistant for the last 4 years and have gotten to know insurance policies pretty well. Keep asking questions until you fully understand the benefits in any policy you are considering. Make your agent or the insurance rep explain until there's no doubt in your mind about the terms and amounts you're discussing. Make sure you consider what you'll be paying out each month as a premium, your deductible amount and any co-pay and/or co-insurance amounts as an estimated yearly cost. We've found it's cheaper for us to go with a $5200 deductible and then be covered at 100% than to go with a lesser deductible, higher monthly premium and then have a co-insurance of 20% or 30%. We've been lucky with only yearly exams and good health. They also have Health Savings Accounts now that are a good option for a lot of people, especially if you're looking for more of a major medical/catastrophic policy. The money put away is non-taxed and earns interest for you. An expert can fill you in further. Hope this all makes sense!
 

miko

Expert Expediter
After reading this, I should have killed myself right after taking that class on spread sheets...
 

RobA

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
What is the philosophic objection RE: Health Ins

to tax payer funded health care?
After reading this thread, I am once again glad that my health insurance provider is OHIP.
It isn't free:
I pay health care premiums.
My employer pays health care premiums.
I co-pay for my drug and dental benefits provided through my employer.
I pay taxes.

I do not have to shop for basic heath care; providing profits to insurance companies.
I go to the doctor of my choice; my medical issues are not shared with anyone unless I give permission.
I get sick or be in a catastrophic incident; I will be treated - no questions asked.

From what I see; the US insurance companies and health care providers rely on heath care for their profits and therefore have a vested interest in maintaining the status- quo. They are the ones who lead the disinformation campaign.
Canada isn't the only country to provide tax payer funded health care; all the countries of Europe do, including England.

It isn't perfect by any means; but for basic care for my family and myself I don't have sleepless nights worrying about how to pay for insurance.
 

langren18

Expert Expediter
RE: What is the philosophic objection RE: Health

Does everyone pay the same flat rate per month for insurance in Canada? How does it work?
 

miko

Expert Expediter
RE: What is the philosophic objection RE: Health

>to tax payer funded health care?
>After reading this thread, I am once again glad that my
>health insurance provider is OHIP.
>It isn't free:
>I pay health care premiums.
>My employer pays health care premiums.
>I co-pay for my drug and dental benefits provided through my
>employer.
>I pay taxes.
>
>I do not have to shop for basic heath care; providing
>profits to insurance companies.
>I go to the doctor of my choice; my medical issues are not
>shared with anyone unless I give permission.
>I get sick or be in a catastrophic incident; I will be
>treated - no questions asked.
>
>From what I see; the US insurance companies and health care
>providers rely on heath care for their profits and
>therefore have a vested interest in maintaining the status-
>quo. They are the ones who lead the disinformation campaign.
>Canada isn't the only country to provide tax payer funded
>health care; all the countries of Europe do, including
>England.
>
>It isn't perfect by any means; but for basic care for my
>family and myself I don't have sleepless nights worrying
>about how to pay for insurance.
>
>
>

RobA:
I was used to that kind of insurance for many, many years.
I wish I still had that over here.
But as long as the insurance companies compete over each other, we are far far away from such example like Canada and Europe.
Their system would make things alot easier, but the majority does not see that, they are blind-foldet when it comes to that magic word health care.
 

miko

Expert Expediter
RE: What is the philosophic objection RE: Health

>Does everyone pay the same flat rate per month for insurance
>in Canada? How does it work?

In Europe at least it is like this:
The rate is determined by what your monthly gross income is.
There are many health insurance providers available, and your employer lets you know which one is right for your prefession, or you choose your own. Then the employer pays his portion and the employee gets to pay a portion, thats before taxes. You pick your doc and hospital, and have a co-pay for extra service, or office visit and a co-pay for dental, if you don't carry a dental pass, where they give you a credit on dentures and repair if you go to all the required yearly exams.
In case of unemployment, you are still covered, and even part-timers don't have to worry, they are covered too.

You gotta love it!
 

SHADY

Expert Expediter
RE: What is the philosophic objection RE: Health

A little perspective here. I'm 65, my wife and former teamate, A1BigKid is younger. She went back to teaching to get GOOD insurance. We pay $760 per month! In addition we put $2500 in a, pre tax flexable spending account. But we get every penny and more back as our perscriptions would be more each month than the premiums. A1bigkid had a serious weight problem. $25,000 staple fix cost us $180. Maybe you are young and healthy today, but what about tonight or tomorrow? End of June 1974 I'm eating Pizza with BigKid and friends in a Canadian truck stop. Next thing I'm in major stomach surgery on Canada Day. This is what insurance is for The Unexpected, or in the case of us oldtimers the expected. "If you live long enough you will be handicaped" I have every intention of being handicapped a long, long time. And Blue Cross, Blue Shield will be there with Medicare to pay for it!
 
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