Health Care A Right?
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Well, then I say let the deep pockets and the illegals foot the entire bill. We never should have given amnesty in the past and shouldn't again. We should revoke the prior amnesty. And it's getting to the point where I don't see anything as too radical in ridding ourselves of socialist/fascist problems.
Greed on the part of doctors? 4 years of college, 4 years of Med school, internships, specialty studies. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to start out in business. Then the cost of starting a medical practice. Crippling government regulations that REQIURE doctors to hire EXTRA staff at their OWN expense to dothe paper work. Congress allowing or not allowing medications (opiats) and the ADDITIONAL paper work for that. MASSIVE costs for mal-pratice insurance required to protect themselfs from potential SILLY lawsuits. All that to make 3 or 4 hundred thousand a year? Then some guy sings a song (often bad songs on top of that) , dances around grabbing his crotch on stage and make 3 or 4 hundred MILLION!! And the DOCTOR is GREEDY?
It IS our fault. We CHOOSE to pay more for entertainment than our own health care. EVERYONE has a RESPONSIBILITY to take care of their OWN NEEDS prior to the "fun stuff".
Example: paying for a tatoo rather than a health insurance premium. There is coverage available that is NOT really expensive. Look at the HSA accounts, liberals hate them, they allow people to control their own money and health care. Ours is under $500 per month. GREAT tax benifits with them too.
For Cheri, Do you REALLY think that it is someone else's responsibility for their OWN health care when they OFTEN refuese to pay for it themselfs? I would more than be willing to help truely NEEDY people, IF, they are SO sick that they cannot pay for it. That is a TINY minority of those who are not paying for it. Charity is a GIFT!! Gifts are FREELY given. Using force to do this is NOT charity, it is tyranni.
It IS our fault. We CHOOSE to pay more for entertainment than our own health care. EVERYONE has a RESPONSIBILITY to take care of their OWN NEEDS prior to the "fun stuff".
Example: paying for a tatoo rather than a health insurance premium. There is coverage available that is NOT really expensive. Look at the HSA accounts, liberals hate them, they allow people to control their own money and health care. Ours is under $500 per month. GREAT tax benifits with them too.
For Cheri, Do you REALLY think that it is someone else's responsibility for their OWN health care when they OFTEN refuese to pay for it themselfs? I would more than be willing to help truely NEEDY people, IF, they are SO sick that they cannot pay for it. That is a TINY minority of those who are not paying for it. Charity is a GIFT!! Gifts are FREELY given. Using force to do this is NOT charity, it is tyranni.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
1st no one is entitled to healthcare, it is a business and that is all it is...2nd..if you can't pay at a hopital or drs office their are all kinds of charites and church organizations that help everyday. also STATE run programs that are under the STATES control, programs that those living in some states have voted on and given their permission to use tax dollars...voter approved STATE , not unfunded mandates made by the FED Gov. And even before that, FAMILY....i just seen in another post where charity starts at HOME, home is not the FED GOV!!!
Oh and as for that kid with diabeties, he will be just fine, another Gov program is the "S" chip, proram...you know the one that EVERY CHILD in america has access to even if your parents make a enough to buy their own insurance....another unfunded mandate by the fed gov......and then that kid can away go the the Juvenille Diabeties foundation, they have all kinds of FREE MED that "BIG NASTY PHARM" gives away to just about any under priviledged kid in need
So there are you alternatives...
And please tell me where the moral authroity to take mine and our tax dollars to pay for another persons healthcare comes from!?!? Forget the Cinstitutionallity, where did the moral authority come from??? Oh maybe it was from Robin Hood!!!!
And yes our founders would be rolling over in their graves, not at the precived greed since they set it up so that everyone has the same rights and opportunities to succeed in this country, but at the fact that our government is stealing tax dollar and misusing them...and creating massive trillion dollar debt that can't and won't be paid off...jefferson said that no government should bury the people in debt that the government can't payoff within is term........so much for that , lol barry will spend over 2 trillion this yr alone...he has already spent more then EVERY PRESIDENT COMBINED......
No no one is entitled to healthcare, or anything else that isn't covered within the Constitution of the USA...when i give it you, thats charity, when the gov takes from me and gives to anyone else, that is theft...
Oh and as for the seatbelt and helmet mandates, those are all STATE mandates...and NO one forces you to get a car or truck, you have the right not to own or use them...and you aren't FORCE to insure them, it is highly recommended , but it is a civil responciability not a governmental.. the bank likes the funds they loaded protected....with this insurance healthcare program of barrys, you will be FORCE to buy insurance of sometype. no matter if you want it or not, and you will be FINED if you don't buy it.....sorry thats not right.....it is socialistic liberal facism....
PS, with all of that being said, if the STATES individually want to offer a plan for healthcare for the poeple, they will let put that on the ballot and the citizens will vote on it just as Ohio is now talking about and MA and Washington states already have....then its all good, the people get to make that decision, but it is not for the FED gov to force another unfunded mandate on the people then force the people to fund it.....way should any of you pay for your own health coverage, then turn around and pay again for someones elses?????
This is "collectivism" at the best..and those that want to collect, normally are the ones that don't put anything into it.....
But you go ahead and support this crap...add to the burden of small business people who most pay their taxes on a 1040 and watch them lay people off, close businesses or move out of the country by subing their work out overseas.....you wanted change...enjoy....
Oh and as for that kid with diabeties, he will be just fine, another Gov program is the "S" chip, proram...you know the one that EVERY CHILD in america has access to even if your parents make a enough to buy their own insurance....another unfunded mandate by the fed gov......and then that kid can away go the the Juvenille Diabeties foundation, they have all kinds of FREE MED that "BIG NASTY PHARM" gives away to just about any under priviledged kid in need
So there are you alternatives...
And please tell me where the moral authroity to take mine and our tax dollars to pay for another persons healthcare comes from!?!? Forget the Cinstitutionallity, where did the moral authority come from??? Oh maybe it was from Robin Hood!!!!
And yes our founders would be rolling over in their graves, not at the precived greed since they set it up so that everyone has the same rights and opportunities to succeed in this country, but at the fact that our government is stealing tax dollar and misusing them...and creating massive trillion dollar debt that can't and won't be paid off...jefferson said that no government should bury the people in debt that the government can't payoff within is term........so much for that , lol barry will spend over 2 trillion this yr alone...he has already spent more then EVERY PRESIDENT COMBINED......
No no one is entitled to healthcare, or anything else that isn't covered within the Constitution of the USA...when i give it you, thats charity, when the gov takes from me and gives to anyone else, that is theft...
Oh and as for the seatbelt and helmet mandates, those are all STATE mandates...and NO one forces you to get a car or truck, you have the right not to own or use them...and you aren't FORCE to insure them, it is highly recommended , but it is a civil responciability not a governmental.. the bank likes the funds they loaded protected....with this insurance healthcare program of barrys, you will be FORCE to buy insurance of sometype. no matter if you want it or not, and you will be FINED if you don't buy it.....sorry thats not right.....it is socialistic liberal facism....
PS, with all of that being said, if the STATES individually want to offer a plan for healthcare for the poeple, they will let put that on the ballot and the citizens will vote on it just as Ohio is now talking about and MA and Washington states already have....then its all good, the people get to make that decision, but it is not for the FED gov to force another unfunded mandate on the people then force the people to fund it.....way should any of you pay for your own health coverage, then turn around and pay again for someones elses?????
This is "collectivism" at the best..and those that want to collect, normally are the ones that don't put anything into it.....
But you go ahead and support this crap...add to the burden of small business people who most pay their taxes on a 1040 and watch them lay people off, close businesses or move out of the country by subing their work out overseas.....you wanted change...enjoy....
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One of my dad's good friends is a neurosurgeon. He's retired. He was on staff at 3 Phoenix hospitals. He had virtually no insurance claims and no legitimate ones, just like my dad. Neuro is the most expensive malpractice insurance there is, along with ob/gyn, due to the shister lawyers and illegitimate lawsuits. He retired when his insurance premium was raised to $9600.... per week! Yes, you read that right, approximately a half million dollars per year due to the liberals and their allowing thieving lawyers and thieving patients to run wild with lawsuits.
Let's see.. that's the annual fee paid by 333 of those 600 patients. Figure in salaries for at least one nurse and two office people and there goes another 100 or so. Mandatory continuing education training is another dozen or so anyway. Updating and upgrading equipment another dozen plus. Office space to see patients another 50 or so. Before long the entire amount spent on annual enrollment is gone and the doctor makes whatever he makes in fees when the patients come in the office. Maybe he's not quite as greedy as he's accused of being.
It just makes me SICK when people whine about healthcare and at the same time they are paying for cable tv with all the movies and sports, 22" rims for their expensive car, Starbucks coffee every morning and all sorts of other things. Well the hell with them if they get sick. They made their choices and it's not one penny of my responsibility to bail them out.
Let's see.. that's the annual fee paid by 333 of those 600 patients. Figure in salaries for at least one nurse and two office people and there goes another 100 or so. Mandatory continuing education training is another dozen or so anyway. Updating and upgrading equipment another dozen plus. Office space to see patients another 50 or so. Before long the entire amount spent on annual enrollment is gone and the doctor makes whatever he makes in fees when the patients come in the office. Maybe he's not quite as greedy as he's accused of being.
It just makes me SICK when people whine about healthcare and at the same time they are paying for cable tv with all the movies and sports, 22" rims for their expensive car, Starbucks coffee every morning and all sorts of other things. Well the hell with them if they get sick. They made their choices and it's not one penny of my responsibility to bail them out.
You guys crack me up.
No, Doctors arent a big part of the problem, never said they were, but their GREED is a contributing condition to our woes in health care.
Have you ever looked at a bill from the Doctor and then compared the amount allowed by the insurance?
Why do you think the Doctors fees are so high. They know the "usual and customary" charged allowed will be a percentage of what they bill.
The Doctor hires the Office Manager. All billing practices are initiated by the Doctor with the hiring of a Office Manager.
You heard it before, "the buck stops here".
Oh, and no-one ever heard of a Doctor wanting to do a surgery that later was found out to be unnecessary ( hopefully before dissecting began ).
I have no beef with a Doctor being paid for services.
I believe they should be well paid for their efforts.
But, as in all segments of society, we pay for the underhanded practices of a few.
Mal pracrice insurance is because , well some that get a MD, are hacks. The whole suffer.
I think you are all just blowing smoke on this and dont have a leg to stand on, so, all of you who think this is bunk, PM me and I will gladly give you my EX Doctors name and address so YOU can give $1500 per year, every year, whether you actually see him or not.
His hypocratic oath will appreciate your contributions.
The phone lines are open to take your calls.
No, Doctors arent a big part of the problem, never said they were, but their GREED is a contributing condition to our woes in health care.
Have you ever looked at a bill from the Doctor and then compared the amount allowed by the insurance?
Why do you think the Doctors fees are so high. They know the "usual and customary" charged allowed will be a percentage of what they bill.
The Doctor hires the Office Manager. All billing practices are initiated by the Doctor with the hiring of a Office Manager.
You heard it before, "the buck stops here".
Oh, and no-one ever heard of a Doctor wanting to do a surgery that later was found out to be unnecessary ( hopefully before dissecting began ).
I have no beef with a Doctor being paid for services.
I believe they should be well paid for their efforts.
But, as in all segments of society, we pay for the underhanded practices of a few.
Mal pracrice insurance is because , well some that get a MD, are hacks. The whole suffer.
I think you are all just blowing smoke on this and dont have a leg to stand on, so, all of you who think this is bunk, PM me and I will gladly give you my EX Doctors name and address so YOU can give $1500 per year, every year, whether you actually see him or not.
His hypocratic oath will appreciate your contributions.
The phone lines are open to take your calls.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
I don't care what your ex dr wants or even gets...the fact is any dr that will except Medicare or medicade can not charge anyone else less then he charges the government...the keep their "usual and customary" charges up so that when the gov comes in to negociate they can still have a high enough profit to live has they want (something they are every well entitled to, well until now, and barry will start to tax them 3-5 % more and then add another 5% surcharge to cover national healthcare) . The easiest way to get cost under control is to get the gov out of the healthcare field, not get it deeper into it!!
You were sent a letter with an offer, you did what you wanted to do and the dr is now your ex...but i'll bet he isn't out of business as there are still people that have the money to pay and they will....you didn't see the value in his purposal, i am sure some did.....
Greed? Who gets to say how much is too much????
You were sent a letter with an offer, you did what you wanted to do and the dr is now your ex...but i'll bet he isn't out of business as there are still people that have the money to pay and they will....you didn't see the value in his purposal, i am sure some did.....
Greed? Who gets to say how much is too much????
Maybe entertainers should have to pay the mal-practice insurance for doctors, ball player pay the hundreds of thousands that they pay for school. That would work. Make it so 80% of EVERY dollar spent on entertainment HAS to go to medical care. THAT would MORE than pay for it. NO ONE should be paid millions to sing, dance or bounce a ball. Talk on tv or the radio etc. Tax ANY elected official in the government 100% of their wages every day that they are in deficit spending. HEY!! This is good stuff!!!
This is really funny.
I get to say what is too much.
As you do in your daily life.
Oh, I am extending my Ex Doctors offer to me, to you.
Wanna pony up or shut up?
I know a doctor from a family that I grew up with. He is a GP, a family DR. His mal-practice insurance 15 years ago was in excess of $13,000 PER MONTH. Tell me, a DR. is a small business person, how much should they be allowed to earn? First, who decides how much is too much? How will they pay off school debt, all that mal-practice insurance, their staff, building and equipment cost etc? Is $300,000 enough? What is and who should tell them that? Forced wages for doctors, FREEDOM?
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
I totally agree that your drs offer would be more then i would be willing to pay..as i said you had the choice.may comment about who decides is on the amount that is considered too much... you certainly can decide for you, but you can't for me or anyone else that maybe willing to pay his fee..
It like my dinner last evening... it cost be $43.00 plus the tip...just me , no one else there with me...but it was well worth it to me...some wouldn't pay it...i have in the past, did yesterday and will again!!! As a matter of fact if i don't get called for a load today, i might go back there for dinner!!
Oh by the way , do you know what the dr's total expenses are for a yr?? you know what his buttom line is on his P&L? i guess you do if you can say he is making too much and is greedy...
It like my dinner last evening... it cost be $43.00 plus the tip...just me , no one else there with me...but it was well worth it to me...some wouldn't pay it...i have in the past, did yesterday and will again!!! As a matter of fact if i don't get called for a load today, i might go back there for dinner!!
Oh by the way , do you know what the dr's total expenses are for a yr?? you know what his buttom line is on his P&L? i guess you do if you can say he is making too much and is greedy...