heading out, need advice
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Jack_Berry
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thanks again for the advice.
Jack Berry
Jack Berry
>Yea, get the jug and don't forget to be a real trucker and
>either dump the contents out your window when it is half
>filled or throw it out the window while your at a rest stop.
I find people that do that disgusting. I do not do that.
Perhaps you would like to offer an alternative instead of making snide insinuations?
>either dump the contents out your window when it is half
>filled or throw it out the window while your at a rest stop.
I find people that do that disgusting. I do not do that.
Perhaps you would like to offer an alternative instead of making snide insinuations?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
whitey1
I won't but here is why.
I also find it disgusting but what is further disgusting is not reporting it or complaining about it. I think people need to look at it this way - the average person thinks that truckers are filthy, disgusting individuals who don't deserve to be anywhere but the road. and when you have someone, like the guy in the nice new Volvo who was parked next to me at a rest stop, opens his window right in front of travelers and dumps almost a gallon of p*ss on the ground, it reinforces the image of the filthy, disgusting truck, what is missed here.
I go into some truck stops, like Flying J and Pilot and it smells like a sewer, not because I parked over a sewer but the dumping of p*ss is so bad that until there is a good hard rain, the smell is so strong. I complained to the people inside, I wrote letters and never get a reply that is acceptable.
When I was out in California, I was so surprised and very disappointed that the amount of bottles on the side of the on and off ramps with p*ss in them was amazing. But this was also in the rest stops too.
I think that if we are called professionals, we need to act like professionals and this is one, very important issue that causes problem with the bigger picture of how the public views the trucking industry.
I know that one thing that governs this issue is the HOS and the need to drive too much without breaks but that is another thread.
As for a solution, OK here is one - in your truck, get rid of your refrigerator and replace it with a toilet, like a Thetford 365.
I won't but here is why.
I also find it disgusting but what is further disgusting is not reporting it or complaining about it. I think people need to look at it this way - the average person thinks that truckers are filthy, disgusting individuals who don't deserve to be anywhere but the road. and when you have someone, like the guy in the nice new Volvo who was parked next to me at a rest stop, opens his window right in front of travelers and dumps almost a gallon of p*ss on the ground, it reinforces the image of the filthy, disgusting truck, what is missed here.
I go into some truck stops, like Flying J and Pilot and it smells like a sewer, not because I parked over a sewer but the dumping of p*ss is so bad that until there is a good hard rain, the smell is so strong. I complained to the people inside, I wrote letters and never get a reply that is acceptable.
When I was out in California, I was so surprised and very disappointed that the amount of bottles on the side of the on and off ramps with p*ss in them was amazing. But this was also in the rest stops too.
I think that if we are called professionals, we need to act like professionals and this is one, very important issue that causes problem with the bigger picture of how the public views the trucking industry.
I know that one thing that governs this issue is the HOS and the need to drive too much without breaks but that is another thread.
As for a solution, OK here is one - in your truck, get rid of your refrigerator and replace it with a toilet, like a Thetford 365.
>I also find it disgusting but what is further disgusting is
>not reporting it or complaining about it. ....
>someone, like the guy in the nice new Volvo who was parked
>next to me at a rest stop, opens his window right in front
>of travelers and dumps almost a gallon of p*ss on the
>ground....
Did you say anything to this gallon-dumping truck driver? No need to write a letter. The offender was right in front of you. What did you do when you witnessed the deed?
>not reporting it or complaining about it. ....
>someone, like the guy in the nice new Volvo who was parked
>next to me at a rest stop, opens his window right in front
>of travelers and dumps almost a gallon of p*ss on the
>ground....
Did you say anything to this gallon-dumping truck driver? No need to write a letter. The offender was right in front of you. What did you do when you witnessed the deed?
Confronting a stranger with disgust or contempt for their behavior is not a course of action most would recommend. In an age when people have learned that even a bumpersticker can offend someone to the point that you risk finding your vehicle 'vandalized', getting 'in their face' could be extremely dangerous. People who are unstable mentally, or antisocial, or just garden variety jerks with a bad temper look just like everyone else, unfortunately. And the fact that you've just witnessed some antisocial behavior suggests that a confrontation would be unpleasant, at best.
On the other hand, Greg is right: we ought to be doing what we can to improve the negative image of truckers, so remaining silent doesn't feel right, either.
What I'd do, myself, is inform the carrier to whom the offender is affiliated of the behavior witnessed,(a phone call is sufficient, but in writing is better). I would also respectfully complain to the management of the truckstop, because they should be responsible for keeping their place of business clean, however they accomplish it.
It might feel futile, (and might be futile, sometimes), but maybe, with enough complaints voiced, the offenders can be persuaded by those to whom they are obliged to pay attention, that such behavior must stop.
Of course, if you think it's better to confront the trucker you saw throwing urine out the window on the spot, you can tell him what you think. (If you do, I'd be interested in hearing how it worked)
On the other hand, Greg is right: we ought to be doing what we can to improve the negative image of truckers, so remaining silent doesn't feel right, either.
What I'd do, myself, is inform the carrier to whom the offender is affiliated of the behavior witnessed,(a phone call is sufficient, but in writing is better). I would also respectfully complain to the management of the truckstop, because they should be responsible for keeping their place of business clean, however they accomplish it.
It might feel futile, (and might be futile, sometimes), but maybe, with enough complaints voiced, the offenders can be persuaded by those to whom they are obliged to pay attention, that such behavior must stop.
Of course, if you think it's better to confront the trucker you saw throwing urine out the window on the spot, you can tell him what you think. (If you do, I'd be interested in hearing how it worked)
greg334
Veteran Expediter
"Did you say anything to this gallon-dumping truck driver? No need to write a letter. The offender was right in front of you. What did you do when you witnessed the deed?"
I called the police and they didn't seem interested about it but I persisted in them coming out and doing something about it. I think it was the guy sitting in the car with his kids that really got them out because when they arrived, he got out of the car and walked up to the cop car and started to yell at them for taking their time. He was one of these environmental guys and he was mad.
The cops could not miss the smell, the splatter of it on my truck and on his and the big puddle. They took pictures, had the parks people come out and power wash everything, including my truck, gave the guy a bunch of tickets and told him to leave. I later saw the truck at the weigh station near the rest stop parked.
I feel that this guys license should be pulled for this, I know that where I used to work, even with the lax laws back then, we were criminally liable for dumping medical waste and as far as I am concern the only place that human waste should be disposed of is the proper place to prevent the spread of diseases.
I got to add this,
What would you do Phil?
I called the police and they didn't seem interested about it but I persisted in them coming out and doing something about it. I think it was the guy sitting in the car with his kids that really got them out because when they arrived, he got out of the car and walked up to the cop car and started to yell at them for taking their time. He was one of these environmental guys and he was mad.
The cops could not miss the smell, the splatter of it on my truck and on his and the big puddle. They took pictures, had the parks people come out and power wash everything, including my truck, gave the guy a bunch of tickets and told him to leave. I later saw the truck at the weigh station near the rest stop parked.
I feel that this guys license should be pulled for this, I know that where I used to work, even with the lax laws back then, we were criminally liable for dumping medical waste and as far as I am concern the only place that human waste should be disposed of is the proper place to prevent the spread of diseases.
I got to add this,
What would you do Phil?
Greg,
I do not advocate the kind of dumping you have insinuated me with. You have accomplished a nice thread drift however.
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Hey, you obviously have some great experience that you are willing to share.Thanks for that.
Can you share your wisdom without all the vitriol?
I do not advocate the kind of dumping you have insinuated me with. You have accomplished a nice thread drift however.
Recipe:
1-Throw arrows
2-Rant
3-Change subject
4-Tell a story
Hey, you obviously have some great experience that you are willing to share.Thanks for that.
Can you share your wisdom without all the vitriol?
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
whitey,
I apologize. I misunderstood what you where saying. I thought you were suggesting taking a litter box, and using it like a cat. That's my fault.
I apologize. I misunderstood what you where saying. I thought you were suggesting taking a litter box, and using it like a cat. That's my fault.
We have a cat at home who has us well trained. When he does his business in the litter box, he will not, absolutely, go into the litter box again until someone has scooped the poop and he has a poop-free space with which to work. If someone forgets, he uses the center of the bed, instead.
Subtle, he's not.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
Subtle, he's not.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
pelicn
Veteran Expediter
Turtle, THAT'S an image!
Unfortunately, we talked to the mechanics at a company that we used to work for, and they told us of a driver that used the area under the bunk for just what you described... Needless to say this particular driver was fired....
As far as the "jug", I see no problem with using one, but dispose of the contents properly. We have a porta potty unit now but in the past we had a water jug that had a cover, handle and strap for carrying. When we'd stop, I take it into the restroom, dump the contents, and wash it out.
Unfortunately, we talked to the mechanics at a company that we used to work for, and they told us of a driver that used the area under the bunk for just what you described... Needless to say this particular driver was fired....
As far as the "jug", I see no problem with using one, but dispose of the contents properly. We have a porta potty unit now but in the past we had a water jug that had a cover, handle and strap for carrying. When we'd stop, I take it into the restroom, dump the contents, and wash it out.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
I know I am. That would be a funny site though. See a driver walking into the truckstop with his pants around his ankles and a litter box stuck to his butt.:+
greg334
Veteran Expediter
whitey1
No, I won't change but I will admit that I have ignored the fact your first post (I didn't read it all the way through) and your follow up and didn't think that you would consider that I was bashing you, I was not. The key words triggered my reply and not reflecting anything about you but what I feel is what is done with the jug after the fact.
I am here to help and the way I do it is not the way others do it - I want people to remember what I say so sometimes I will throw something that is outrageous or considered bad. I did exactly that, my point is not to dump it anywhere except in the toilet.
As I have written a bunch of things about this subject, I do not care what people do within their truck/van but I take absolute great offense with it when it comes out of the truck/van and gets dumped on the pavement, at a rest stop or anywhere else that it can be see or smelt, it is a problem. The key here is not to be offended by my comment but rather teach people who want to be professional is to dispose of things the right way so others can enjoy things. Does this make sense?
If you further think I was directing things at you, please read other things I have written and see how I do things, OK?
No, I won't change but I will admit that I have ignored the fact your first post (I didn't read it all the way through) and your follow up and didn't think that you would consider that I was bashing you, I was not. The key words triggered my reply and not reflecting anything about you but what I feel is what is done with the jug after the fact.
I am here to help and the way I do it is not the way others do it - I want people to remember what I say so sometimes I will throw something that is outrageous or considered bad. I did exactly that, my point is not to dump it anywhere except in the toilet.
As I have written a bunch of things about this subject, I do not care what people do within their truck/van but I take absolute great offense with it when it comes out of the truck/van and gets dumped on the pavement, at a rest stop or anywhere else that it can be see or smelt, it is a problem. The key here is not to be offended by my comment but rather teach people who want to be professional is to dispose of things the right way so others can enjoy things. Does this make sense?
If you further think I was directing things at you, please read other things I have written and see how I do things, OK?