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dieseldiva

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Another arrogant idiot that thinks there's some kind of "ruling class" in this country and he's part of it......let him eat cake!:D
 

Turtle

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Yeah, but the people who live out in the country in Warren and Butler counties are rednecks. So is Mike Reynolds himself, a good ol' boy (albeit a Democrat) redneck from Bowling Green. If this was some northern snot calling them rednecks, there'd be Hеll to pay, but he's a local boy.

It was recorded while Reynolds was speaking in Bowling Green to a Western Kentucky University class about health care. Here’s what he can be heard saying:
“I’m undecided about, if you are in this country but you’re not a citizen, what does that bring you? I’m kind of a mixed band on that. Excuse my French, but my redneck constituents out here in far out Kentucky, don’t like that.”
 

dieseldiva

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Yeah, but the people who live out in the country in Warren and Butler counties are rednecks. So is Mike Reynolds himself, a good ol' boy (albeit a Democrat) redneck from Bowling Green. If this was some northern snot calling them rednecks, there'd be Hеll to pay, but he's a local boy.

I dunno.....I think people would still resent being called that or anything else.....there's intelligent life in all parts of the country, just as there are "idiots".....we know this because we see them on the road EVERYWHERE.....EVERYDAY! :p

It was recorded while Reynolds was speaking in Bowling Green to a Western Kentucky University class about health care.
Here’s what he can be heard saying:

I think the quote in red might say more than anything about this....."they" seem to speak differently while they're amongst those that they consider "smarter" than the rest of us. Remember Obama's comments about "bitter clingers" during the campaign....he was in Californina when he said that.

It's an attitude that most of us "commoners" are tired of, whether it comes from the Dems OR the Pubs.
 

Turtle

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Leave it to an outsider to tell us what it really means. Thanks.

The term originated from poor white farmers in the south who worked the fields and thus had sunburned necks. To many northerners it has come to mean anyone poor from the south, or in some cases an uneducated southern racist. But to people in the south the term has come to simply mean anyone who lives out in the country, out in the county and not in town. We can recognize the term when it's used and by whom, and know the meaning and intent behind it.

In the context of a classroom setting at WKU, it absolutely, positively referred to those living out in the country and not well educated. You bet it did. It's a term of reality that is well know and well understood in the south, and one that is well used by most.

There are two kinds of rednecks in the south, a redneck and an educated redneck. But both are rednecks. If you want to take offense to an educated redneck talking about other rednecks, knock yourself out.

But the only people screaming for him to apologize to his redneck constituents for insulting them are northerners, his opponent in the campaign, and those who are from the south but live in bigger cities, pretty much everyone except those who he is supposed to have insulted with his comments. Why is that? Is it because they're all too stupid to know when they've been insulted? Or is it a case of them not being insulted in the first place?

Ironically, Reynolds is more conservative than liberal, and there's a reason he's running on the Democratic ticket, and it's not because he's a Democrat in the normal sense, but because he's got a (D) after his name in print, some people, mainly northerners and other folks not from the area, want to make it into something that its not. The only reason this is getting noticed at all is because his opponent in the campaign, the General Manager of a Christian radio station, used the audio snippet in a campaign attack ad.

Did you know that Reynolds is a member of, and got the endorsement of the NRA? He's also a former officer in the Army. He also got the endorsement of the Right to Life and favors, in fact proposed legislation, that would require a woman to view the ultrasound of her unborn child before undergoing an abortion. He thinks access to condoms and sex education should be in the home and not in school, and wants the high school drop-out age to be 18.

What a redneck liberal he is.

On the other hand, he's in tight with labor unions, opposing every move to make Kentucky a Right To Work State, because he says those types of states often have higher unemployment.

He also thinks Sudafed should be by prescription only, since it can be used to make meth, a very conservative stance, whereas his conservative opponent thinks that because of the untold number of families suffering, suffering he says, from all the terrible runny nose and watery eyes allergies should be able to easily obtain the drug without prescription.

If the number of arrests is any indication, Warren County is the #1 producer of crystal methamphetamine in the state.
 

Turtle

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Outsider. Someone from outside the area. All of the blogs and outrage are from people not from the West Kentucky area. They come at this story from the point of view of gross ignorance, yet they have no problem in leveling judgment one way or another.

This thread is a good example, where because they guy is a democrat he's vilified, yet he's not even a democrat, not really. He had zero chance of winning the seat in the special election two years ago, or so everybody thought. Yet he won by more than a mere wide margin, he blew the other guy out of the water with a 55-45 margin. Only an outsider would consider him a democrat, and then formulate their response accordingly. The guy's record in the State Senate wouldn't be considered liberal by very many people.

He's a real estate lawyer after all, with the heart and mind of one, who founded the Reynolds, Johnston, Hinton & Pepper, LLPlaw firm in Bowling Green in 1972, and his record in the Senate would indicate someone from that background. His Statement of Practice reads: Real Estate Law, Title and Escrow services for residential and commercial transactions, §1031 Tax Free Exchanges, Commercial Collections, Creditors' Rights, Foreclosure, Bankruptcy, Banking Law, Probate and Estate Planning.

Most of his firm's clients are banks.

So, if you weren't an outsider you would know what's going on, what the snippet means and the context of it, why it's getting any notice, and what the guy is all about.

Instead, he gets defined and reduced by those who don't know him, the circumstances, nor the culture, to nothing more than an overly-educated liberal democrat who talks trash about his poor redneck constituents to other overly-educated liberals.

Makes for a more frothy story, tho.
 

dieseldiva

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Outsider. Someone from outside the area. All of the blogs and outrage are from people not from the West Kentucky area. They come at this story from the point of view of gross ignorance, yet they have no problem in leveling judgment one way or another.

Duh, I know the description....my question was more to whom it was directed.....

So....I have to be from West Kentucky to have an opinion on this story? And because I'm not from there, my view is of gross ignorance?

This thread is a good example, where because they guy is a democrat he's vilified, yet he's not even a democrat, not really.

I don't need to know whether he's a Dem or a Pub, I think I said that in my first post. Arrogance is arrogance, regardless of who's "sporting" it.

He had zero chance of winning the seat in the special election two years ago, or so everybody thought. Yet he won by more than a mere wide margin, he blew the other guy out of the water with a 55-45 margin. Only an outsider would consider him a democrat, and then formulate their response accordingly. The guy's record in the State Senate wouldn't be considered liberal by very many people.

He's a real estate lawyer after all, with the heart and mind of one, who founded the Reynolds, Johnston, Hinton & Pepper, LLPlaw firm in Bowling Green in 1972, and his record in the Senate would indicate someone from that background. His Statement of Practice reads: Real Estate Law, Title and Escrow services for residential and commercial transactions, §1031 Tax Free Exchanges, Commercial Collections, Creditors' Rights, Foreclosure, Bankruptcy, Banking Law, Probate and Estate Planning.

Most of his firm's clients are banks.

I really could give a flip about his resume'....he spoke like an arrogant idiot.

So, if you weren't an outsider you would know what's going on, what the snippet means and the context of it, why it's getting any notice, and what the guy is all about.

Instead, he gets defined and reduced by those who don't know him, the circumstances, nor the culture, to nothing more than an overly-educated liberal democrat who talks trash about his poor redneck constituents to other overly-educated liberals.

I probably know and understand more about this lifestyle than what you give me credit. Don't forget, you don't know me, my background, where I've been or where I'm going.

Makes for a more frothy story, tho.

I said it in my other post and I'll say it again, I don't care whether the guy is red or blue, if it makes you feel better to think that was a litmus test for my post then knock yourself out but it's not about that, it's about attitude.

As for the "context" of his comments....I don't really care about that either. IMHO, those that live in Kentucky or any other state where the terms redneck, hillbilly, or ridgerunner, don't like being talked about like that nor do they like the condescending tone that some of these idiots use.

For someone that's supposed to be so "tolerant", you sure seem to have a hard time extending that to some of us.:cool:
 

Turtle

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"Duh, I know the description....my question was more to whom it was directed....."
It wasn't directed towards anyone in particular, other than those who are outsiders thinking they have it all figured out about something they are largely ignorant of, about things of which they have limited information.

So....I have to be from West Kentucky to have an opinion on this story?
Nope. You're allowed to have an opinion on anything you want, including this story.

And because I'm not from there, my view is of gross ignorance?
Yep. Unless you are familiar with the man, the area, and the people there, by definition that's an ignorance of the area.

Anyone can have an opinion on anything. But it's the opinions that are based on the most information that are the most valid. The problem with many people, however, is they base an opinion on incomplete information, and then even when more information becomes available that should alter their opinion, they stick to it regardless, often dismissing real relevant information as irrelevant and meaningless. It's more important for some people to feel that they're right than it is to even consider the possibility that they're wrong. That's where we get wackos from.

This thread is a good example, where because they guy is a democrat he's vilified, yet he's not even a democrat, not really.
I don't need to know whether he's a Dem or a Pub, I think I said that in my first post. Arrogance is arrogance, regardless of who's "sporting" it.
Actually, in your first post you said, "
Another arrogant idiot that thinks there's some kind of "ruling class" in this country and he's part of it......let him eat cake!" And you were wrong on all counts. He's not arrogant, he's not an idiot, and he doesn't think there's some kind of "ruling class" in this country and that he's part of it. If you knew anything about the man, other than he's got a (D) after his name and he was speaking to a class at WKU (and you didn't even know about WKU until after your initial comment), you'd have known all that. Your response indicates gross ignorance of the man and the situation, made a determination, and drew a conclusion based on extremely limited information or a preconceived prejudice of one thing or another.


I really could give a flip about his resume'....he spoke like an arrogant idiot.
Actually, he spoke like a conservative Republican, as well as the way many in the area speak. Are his comments somehow arrogant because he's got a (D) after his name, or because he made them at a place of higher learning?


I probably know and understand more about this lifestyle than what you give me credit. Don't forget, you don't know me, my background, where I've been or where I'm going.
I don't give you any credit at all, nor do I withhold any, because I don't care. I'm responding to what you type, not to you personally. All I know about you is what you type. You are what you type.

I said it in my other post and I'll say it again, I don't care whether the guy is red or blue, if it makes you feel better to think that was a litmus test for my post then knock yourself out but it's not about that, it's about attitude.
Oh, I know it's about attitude, it's about a perceived attitude that you either don't understand or resent. I simply put the statement he made in context, and you wanted to make it out to be far more than it was, by turning it into a smart versus stupid intellectual elite thing. But it's not about that, and why you want to make it about that I have no idea, unless you resent those who are educated or something, and everything they say is perceived by you as some kind of personal insult.



As for the "context" of his comments....I don't really care about that either.
Huh? You're the one who singled it out in quoted red text as being the important part of all this arrogance extravaganza, saying, "
I think the quote in red might say more than anything about this..... "they" seem to speak differently while they're amongst those that they consider "smarter" than the rest of us." It was the context itself that you used to justify your comments. If that's not caring about context, I don't know what is.


IMHO, those that live in Kentucky or any other state where the terms redneck, hillbilly, or ridgerunner, don't like being talked about like that nor do they like the condescending tone that some of these idiots use.
How did your formulate such an opinion? Is it one of those, "If I were in their shoes I wouldn't like it," sort of opinions? The reason I ask is, I'm from Kentucky, live there now, and you know that, and I've already told you that the above opinion is incorrect. Yet you're still sticking with that opinion? Amazing. Like I said earlier,
we can recognize the term when it's used and by whom, and know the meaning and intent behind it. Sometimes it's used in a condescending manner, and in those cases, no, we don't like it, especially when it comes from some holier than thou East Coast snot who thinks they know what's best for us. But we can recognize when it's not being used in that manner. I know too many rednecks who wear the moniker with pride. Some are even college educated, too, which should come as no surprise considering I live in a college town.


For someone that's supposed to be so "tolerant", you sure seem to have a hard time extending that to some of us.:cool:

Well, good grief, what's you're definition of tolerance, then? It is never voicing a disagreement of opinion? Is that it? Am I supposed to agree with everything people say, or at least not offer up a dissenting opinion, in order to demonstrate tolerance?

The only thing I have an absolute intolerance for is hypocrisy.

It's interesting that people who complain about other's lack of tolerance are often the least tolerant people on the planet. Take homosexuals, for example. They constantly scream about intolerance, yet they have zero tolerance for someone who doesn't agree with them. Yet it's not even about tolerance, it's about them wanting something, really, really badly, and because they want it really, really, badly, they think they deserve it, and when they don't get it, they scream intolerance, which is just the adult gay version of throwing a temper tantrum in a grocery store like a three year old. But I digress.

I'm actually extremely tolerant. I'll discuss anything with anybody, especially those who don't agree with me. It's hard to learn much if all I'm doing is talking to people who think the same as me and already agree with what I'm saying. In fact, the more differing opinions I can come to understand, even if I disagree with them, the better I can form and even alter my own opinions about issues. It's very hard to have a truly valid opinion on a divisive issue unless you at least make the attempt to have a pragmatic understanding of the opposing viewpoint. I will sometimes take a side that I don't even agree with, in order to draw out some of those opinions and different ways of looking at things.

Very few issues are black and white, and neither are the opinions and views of them. Rather than keep my mind and viewpoints static and unyielding with an arrogance that I'm absolutely right about an issue, discussion closed, I prefer to open my mind and broaden my knowledge about a subject in the very likely event that I'm not correct about everything and that I don't, in fact, know it all, as some here incorrectly believe that I believe.
 
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greg334

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Diva,
A while ago there was a thread about Hazeltucky and our great member who is no longer with us, Dougstravel, just didn't get reasoning or history unique to his city (Hazel Park Michigan) and the origin of the word Hazeltucky.

A lot of those who settled there come from Turtle's neck of the woods and are rather a good bunch of people, I have relatives from Paducah and Benton.

The one of a few things I do understand about that area is that they are all conservative in nature but vote democrat because of FDR. They are pro-union but seem not to like the "mainstream" union rhetoric.

For many, they equate the redneck comment to Murtha's comments about his constitutes, it is not the same. Think Larry the cable guy instead.

I made my comment because I understood to survive there, Democrat you have to be.
 

Turtle

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That's pretty it in a nutshell. Larry the Cable Guy, Jeff Foxworthy, that kind of thing.

In Western Kentucky you do indeed need to be a Democrat, and whatever your voter registration is will be well known to everyone, despite the secret ballot nature of our system. Yet despite being Democrats, everyone is mostly very conservative right wing Christian (Bible thumping Southern Baptist, mostly, but Church of Christ is also big). So the traditional labels of Republican and Democrat, conservative and liberal, don't really apply down there. And some people, outsiders, have a hard problem understanding that.

Nearly everywhere else in American Mike Reynolds would be considered a stone-cold conservative Republican, but in Western Kentucky he's a Democrat. Go figure. On national elections they usually vote Democrat, because of FDR, but in local elections regardless of the party, they vote the conservative in nearly every time.

As an example of the kind of area that it it, up until just a few years ago the county I live in was a dry county. Many of the surrounding counties still are. Religious, conservative, some would say oppressive. Despite not being able to buy or sell alcohol, West Kentucky was, and still is to a large degree, well renowned for its moonshine expertise. Whenever the Wet-Dry issue came up for a vote, churches happily accepted large sums of money from bootleggers to pay for massive ad campaigns against the evil of alcohol.

The university student population is a rather large percentage of the city and county, and they are full-time residents at least 9 months out of the year. Yet they couldn't vote on local issues. That was finally changed, and when that happened, everything else changed, too.

We're now wet. Or, rather, damp. There are no bars for buying by-the-drink liquor, and no liquor stores. But you can buy alcohol in a restaurant, provided the restaurant has seating for 100 or more people, and the revenue from alcohol doesn't exceed 20% of the food revenue (or something like that).

So it's a very conservative area populated primarily by Democrats who think paying taxes is a good thing, the more the better, but want the government to mind their own business and stay out of their lives. It's very weird. But it's the individual issues, especially with the local politicians, that people vote for, and it's why we have de facto Republicans running on the Democratic ticket.
 
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