Having a beer

dsingleton

Seasoned Expediter
So I was justing thinking about this question and could not find an answer searching for it. Can you have a beer or two while on the road?????
Do you have to go out of service if you decide to find a local bar and drink a few beers? What about having a few beers in the back of the van? Can you do this period????

Not that I drink all the time I was just thinking about this as I get ready to buy a van and start into the business.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
For me if I want to have a cold one I put myself out of service.The last thing you want is to get offered a run after you have been drinking.I know for myself I never drink in my truck but thats me.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
You would not be allowed to drink in a vehicle in most states since it is considered a violation to have an open container. If you sign a contract with a company they would have a clause against it, I know in mine it says I can't even have cold medicine. We were also advised we should not park near a bar during orientation.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The short answers to your questions are YES, YES, and YES.

But you need to be very aware and clear of the long answers. While the FMCSA rules and regulations do not apply to van drivers (unless your van is, at the time, a CMV, meaning placarded for HAZMAT), many of the carrier's policies mirror that of the FMCSA rules and regulations just the same.

You can consume alcohol out on the road, as long as you are off-duty (out of service). If you have a Friday pickup for Monday delivery, for example, and have pretty much the entire weekend to kill while waiting to deliver, you are on-duty and in service and thus cannot consume alcohol while loaded.

You cannot use alcohol, or be under the influence of alcohol, within 4 hours before going on duty or operating, or having physical control of, a commercial motor vehicle. In addition, while in-service you cannot use alcohol, or be under the influence of alcohol, or have any measured alcohol concentration or detected presence of alcohol. So, at least 4 hours prior to going back in-service, you need to be stone-cold sober, and by the time you actually go in-service, your blood alcohol content must be essentially zero (.04 percent).

With very few exceptions, you cannot consume alcohol while inside the van, as most states have open container laws which prohibit an open container of alcohol in any public place, including inside a vehicle. See United States open container laws for the open container laws and exceptions.

Once in-service, you cannot have any beer, wine or liquor inside the vehicle at all, even if you don't intend to drink it until three days from now.

Read this thread: http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/general-expediter-forum/34143-mouth-wash.html

Basically, unless you are out-of-service, with most carriers you are subject to be called for a random drug test at any time day or night, and you can bet dollars to donuts that if you're drinking out here, that's precisely when the phone call will come.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
I would think most people would park near the carrier's office during orientation. :D

Good one Turtle:D

Technically, your van or truck could be considered and RV and as far as I know you can drink in an RV as long as it isn't moving
Florida and New Orleans allows everyone except the driver to drink while vehicle is moving
Now I am not sure the DOT rules on having alcohol in a truck, in a car it's okay as long as it is not open.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Now I am not sure the DOT rules on having alcohol in a truck, in a car it's okay as long as it is not open.
Alcohol prohibition. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

(a) No driver shall—

(3) Be on duty or operate a commercial motor vehicle while the driver possesses wine of not less than one-half of one per centum of alcohol by volume, beer as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5052(a), of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954, and distilled spirits as defined in section 5002(a)(8), of such Code.

However, this does not apply to possession of wine, beer, or distilled spirits which are:

(i) Manifested and transported as part of a shipment; or
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Good one Turtle:D

Technically, your van or truck could be considered and RV and as far as I know you can drink in an RV as long as it isn't moving
Florida and New Orleans allows everyone except the driver to drink while vehicle is moving
Now I am not sure the DOT rules on having alcohol in a truck, in a car it's okay as long as it is not open.

Open containers are a state by state issue, some local municipalities will having laws about public consumption and you have a contract that could be terminated in a hurry so I would think it is best if it is not done in the van. If you were to have one with lunch in a bar and grill it really wouldn't be an issue.

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AMonger

Veteran Expediter
my first year on the road, I was with a major company in a big truck. I ran into a nother driver for the same company at a truck stop in sparks nevada. it was a truck stop that had a casino and bar in it. I knew I was not going to be driving until next day, so I sat at the bar and ordered a drink.

as I was drinking that drink, it o c c u r r e d to me that there was probably a policy against it, so I switched to something non dash alcoholic. sure enough, about a minute later, here comes the other driver. seeing the drink on the bar, he demanded to know what was in it. I lucked out on that 1.
 

vandriver2

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Question... Can I have a beer or two while on the road.
Answer...using the most important thing here folks, your common sense and do I wish to keep my job...I would absolutely say..

NO, NEVER.

Then, there are motor carrier laws that also lead to....

NO, NEVER.

Save it for when you're at home haven a pizza with your family.
Self Control.
Alcohol + being behind ANY steering wheel = FATALITY
 

gatorfan068

Active Expediter
My carrier does random alcohol and drug testing. This can be done 24/7....By their rules they can do a random drug test/breathalyzer on you at anytime. If you are in service waiting on a load and they tell you to do a test,you pop that top and drink in any commercial vehicles,you might as well pack your bags....Take yourself out of service. If you are in service under a load,you are comitted to that load therefore it is illegal to drink alcohol,even if you are under that load,during sleeper berth time. Truckers do it all the time,but they take that chance. I've heard expediters buy their brew and go back to their van and drink.... Its not worth my CDL or my career...Go out of service,get a room,have a good time.. : )
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
If you are tempted to quibble about the law and weasel-word definitions to make it OK to drink when you are out on the road, you are flirting with termination or worse.

Forget about the letter of the law and focus on the spirit of the law. It is never good to combine alcohol and vehicles, and even worse if you are a professional driver.

Diane and I know little about the legal details because we do not have to. Embracing the spirit of the law, we simply do not drink when we are out on the road. Nor do we drink at home or at a relative's or friend's house if we will be driving the truck in the next 24 hours.

Whether it is in a container or in our bodies, alchohol will never be inside of our truck. The same rule (our rule) applies even if we are in an RV park and out of service for three days. No alcohol in the truck ever.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I think many forget - your carrier may not allow any consumable spirits on board that truck or van. Don't matter what the DOT, FMCSA, States or howdy dudy says.

FedEx and LS both have stressed that fact and I think E-1 has too. Panther from what I heard has the same policy and leads up to instant termination of your contract.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I don't drink alcohol, ever, so I could care less. But I do know that if you are out here on the road and are Out-of-Service and want to have a dog and a beer at a ballgame or a glass of wine with dinner, there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't violate the letter or the spirit of the law. And the DOT agrees with me.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I think many forget - your carrier may not allow any consumable spirits on board that truck or van. Don't matter what the DOT, FMCSA, States or howdy dudy says.

FedEx and LS both have stressed that fact and I think E-1 has too. Panther from what I heard has the same policy and leads up to instant termination of your contract.
The very reason that carriers have a policy against it is because the FMCSA regulations prohibit non-manifested alcohol (beer, wine, liquor) in a CMV at any time the driver is on-duty. The reason they why they stress that policy is whenever you violate a FMCSA regulation, the carrier gets a black mark, too. Most carriers extend these types of policies to non-regulated cargo vans for take of simplicity in administration, and for insurance reasons.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Speaking of preaching....

Question... Can I have a beer or two while on the road.

Then, there are motor carrier laws that also lead to....

NO, NEVER.
Oh, good grief. There are? Really? Keeping in mind that "no, never" means "never ever under any circumstances," name one motor carrier law that says NO, NEVER.

You can't.

If you are going to dole out advice with the absolute confidence and authority of upper-case letters, you'd better make sure the advice you are giving is correct.
 
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