yep, another in aurora IL too
Have rates really dropped all that much?
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Amazon will only let asset based carriers haul their freight, no owner operators !!!!!!!!
All depends on the carrier spoke with a recruiter at Bolt last week and they said .95 to a 1.05 a mile.
My carrier encourages me to run for .75 but I usually bid .80 to $1.00 a mile and sometimes I get it.
I specialize in long hauls. Tx to Mi, Tx to California and Colorado. I go places where most don't want to and I think that helps. I'm looking to run some loads to Miami as well this winter.
Response to DaveKC... Panther is the king of forced dispatch and bolt sadly is trying to emulate.
A lot of carriers don't wanna innovate, they operate like old conservative politics and don't offer forward thinking. They are just waiting to get swept away like the taxi industry did instead of being the one to change!
If you turn load down they make you sit and penalize you and put you in time out and make you feel like you've done something wrong. They lower their level of respect for you and treat you like a outcast
Panther is certainly guilty but the reality is just about every carrier has to use manipulation in some form or fashion to get their freight covered that they shouldn't have accepted in the first place. Some are much worse than others but still basically the same end game. Much different than years past, that is for sure. I think carriers are there own worst enemy as I have said before. They are the direct result of that multi carrier model along with technology. When rates got too cheap to the drivers their own drivers basically became their competition. Carriers were making money hand over fist prior to that. Certainly no secret there. "Sins of the past"
So the drivers all jumped ship to another carrier and started high fiving everyone to celebrate a victorious new transition
When the carriers disrespect they lose drivers and it happens all the time. Been there done that. They don't value drivers and it will catch up to them one day. For the carriers that do they are ahead of the game. There has to be a few companies out there that operate wal mart like policies.
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Have you seen the contract to work direct with them? I have it. Pathetically cheap rates, one sided, and carriers falling over themselves to sign up for it.
You can still book solid rates on Amazon loads from brokers. I used to do a lot of Amazon. The rates have declined every year so I find myself doing less and less of it. I quit doing live loads for them last year. I only do power only loads.
The headaches are just not worth it on live loads and the drop/hook power only is becoming the same sort of headache. Cancellations happen all the time. Money had a way of relieving the headaches but when the money isn't there I lose interest.
Well the only good thing is they are taking a lot of cheap power out of the market.
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Really you all really need to think about the rates. Talk to the shippers the rates have not really dropped only thing that is changing is the fuel surcharge. The so called bid boards are the down fall only the brokers and the company's are making the money buy the time all this double and triple broking is done there is nothing left for the power unit that is hauling it. Plus the bid board is a downfall no mater how you look at it any more. Because of the big company's and brokers don't truly care about the owner or owners of the power unit only worried about there bottom line. It's like this the freight the shipper is paying to move are paying1.50 plus a MIle plus fuel surcharge and tolls shippers are actually being charged that start asking them and you will see most do. So buy the time boxer or company puts it on bid board and gets someone to do it for 65 to 85 cents a mile the broker or company is making more than the power unit clear. Sorry to say that all of you that are willing to let that go on we are screwed. And if expediter online so great and want to help the industry they need to stop promoting uship because uship just let's anyone haul who doesn't even have insurance or authority and let's people haul just for gas money just for gas money for them to go on there vacations. Only way rates are going to back backup for the owner of the power units is if we all band together and stick together and say enough is enough time to scrape the bid boards and stop all the double triple brokering and letting the brokers keep over 50 percent of the load pay
I agree this site should not promote Uship.....it runs counter to what we are trying to promote and is a bad example...BUT.....Uship in itself serves a purpose and should not be compared to what we do in any way....thier purpose is mostly personal goods...no worse then someone promoting ride sharing over public transit...
Think of it this way I went to get a load for bolt and when I get there tell them I am picking up for bolt they are dumb founded no clue. So they started checkin into it the load was suppose gave to fed ex they did ask fed ex about the load fed ex said a xpo truck was suppose to load it so the company called xpo and xpo told them that they are having a bolt truck pick it up and guess what I don't drive for bolt we just got the load threw bolt. But need less to say this shipper was mad and said there contract with fed ex said that freight can not be brokered out and they are tired of it and canceled the shipment. Now if the company you are with gets the load threw a company that is who you are lagally has the load so fed ex xpo and bolt all broke the law and under the way the law is wrote I tried to get the carrier I was with to bill the shipper direct and under the law the carrier that loads that load can bills shippers direct and by pass all them brokers legally and they get nothing and can not do anything to you by law because what they have just done is elegal and it is a 25,000 dollar fine per violation. So let's start invoicing the laws for are selfs and get the money back to the power units and stop all this crap
I see this nearly every load....I am about the 3-4 person in line to get paid....on the load
Yes and it's is ellagal as can be and we all need to start turning it all in if we want to Clean it up so we can start making a paycheck to get buy anymore. We can stop it if we all start going after them only thing that would happen is are pay going backup shortly we get a few of them power house company's nailed 25,000 per violation and they can have there books opened up for a few years back. And they endup getting shut down who cares only helps level the playing feild for the rest of us
Yes uship should be shut down because of what it is doing they are promoting elegal carriers. And why should we have to burden the cost of insurance and everything else. And them promote the elegal carriers it is dragging us down look at it alot of are shipments are going on people with any old pick or pickup pulling a trailer with no insurance and running over 10,000 with out authority or log book are insurance and alot of the so called shippers that we load for are posting on there now as well and so is the government and not asking for any prof of any thing just want cheap but they pass the laws but don't enforce them we try to be legal and go broke doing it
No people are using the site for illegal purposes....it was intended to be used so people could get their EBay purchases to them.....no worse then someone hitching a ride and paying 20 bucks for fuel...some brokers and carriers are using them to skirt the rule books....
I've tried Uship...its hard work to line up anything that would pay enough....you have to line up multiple shipments and coordinate when people will be home to pick up and deliver......
Not illegal per se, but if you do that in Ontario your car insurance is instantly null and void...same as if your friend was to pass you 5 bucks for gas and you gave them a ride...no coverage
Don't brokers need licenses? Just pull it when a load is double brokered.
Not sure if it is totally legal either. If you are making a business of moving paid freight...at what point do you NOT need authority and cargo insurance. Just because Uship does not care (why would they really), does not make the moving of intra and interstate freight legal without being insured and compliant.
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Well the double triple brokering is going on in a massive amount mainly in the expedited industry. And being done right on the main bid board. And yes should be pulled off of the bid board but it won't happen. Mainly because of the big company's dictating the rules they want and get. Like in who can get on certain bid boards and size of company. The smaller company's are starting up from people that are just sick of sitting when there company has freight but puts it on the bid board instead of the units leased to them and don't even try to say they don't because they do and everyone knows it. So the outcome is running multi carriers and people also just getting there own authority why not we all ready have the insurance so why not get your own authority. Because instead of sitting for days why not just pay attention when going into a area where your delivering in and see what is around and just stop on your way out and put in your own rate works well for smaller company's that ships things and get a 1.50 a mile or more and cut out the brokers just don't submit a rate where you load or unload and nothing can be said because it's all fair game.
And yes what some people are using uship for they shouldn't but for the ones who are using it the wrong way it can be checked out and found and something should be done. As in a house hold mover has guide lines they have to follow and obay so should everyone hauling on uship have to follow the same guide lines if not then why should a house hold mover have to follow the rules and regulations for it. Because once it crosses a state line regardless of weight you do have to hold authority
And yes what some people are using uship for they shouldn't but for the ones who are using it the wrong way it can be checked out and found and something should be done. As in a house hold mover has guide lines they have to follow and obay so should everyone hauling on uship have to follow the same guide lines if not then why should a house hold mover have to follow the rules and regulations for it. Because once it crosses a state line regardless of weight you do have to hold authority
It's the same in USA.
If you use your personal vehicle for business, insurance won't cover it unless it is insured for business.....
Ain't America great again!