Have rates really dropped all that much?

[Grizzly]

Not to turn this into a multi carrier thread ... but anyone that runs for multi carriers & places different bids with different carriers isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I've always worked with 3 companies. They all call on the same load .. they all get the same price. They can compete for the load on their end. I'm not going to attempt to defend the entire multi carrier segment, but I'm not really sure why the structure is considered madness. They each have different contacts & in my experience it makes for more opportunities.

I'm sure many will agree, the lack of insurance verification is the crazy part of the whole system. It's awful difficult being a legit multi carrier, that carriers the proper insurance, at current rates. Annual renewal time hurts! Not to open up a can of worms .. but why doesn't Teana do something about this? Why does the responsibility of this failed system get placed on the O/O, like myself?

One more bit of info ... 2 of the carriers I do business with account for a small % of my overall business. I'm too pricey for them. The 3rd carrier is a great company. I've been with them since day one. Honorable people!

Mr Elliott, with all due respect, I'll try not to take the disparaging remarks personally next time I handle one of your loads

 

[jelliott]

Grizzly....truth be told the carrier you pull loads for, Load One obviously most likely has not got caught by our carrier compliance team yet. As we do everything in our power not to run the risk of that exposure insurance wise. Sadly nothing TEANA can really do. The multi system can be done legally even if business wise it doesn't always make great sense. The problem is even if done 100% legally...it cant be verified or monitored by a carrier such as our self.

 

[Grizzly]

Grizzly....truth be told the carrier you pull loads for, Load One obviously most likely has not got caught by our carrier compliance team yet. As we do everything in our power not to run the risk of that exposure insurance wise. Sadly nothing TEANA can really do. The multi system can be done legally even if business wise it doesn't always make great sense. The problem is even if done 100% legally...it cant be verified or monitored by a carrier such as our self.

From my perspective, that's the real issue. The fact that Teana cannot even police themselves. I understand I'm just a small cog in the wheel, but to put the failure of the system on owner/ops I think is somewhat misplaced.

Btw, just fyi ..that carrier was VOI cert (when that mattered/existed), and is completely legit! All of their vehicles are with CIS or you simply don't ride for them. As far as multi carriers go, they are a diamond in the rough. They are the only carrier I've ever gotten L1 loads through.

 

[jelliott]

TEANA can't make a carrier run a certain structure and they did try and do VOI. But quickly that became a lesson on the cheaters would learn how to game the system and how they were catching them. Then a carrier or two who could not get VOI tried to cry anti trust and so on.

Ok, a carrier running with primary through CIS and all sub units insured through them we have allowed as CIS can provide us the visibility to verify the insurance and close the gap in the insurance risk.

 

[Grizzly]

And I personally thank you for it!
I've been in a busy area, where I wasn't the only vehicle around & I know for sure I wasn't the cheapest ... but we earned L1's business. I figured insurance verification had something to do with it.
Find a way to exclude the real riff raff & I think we'll all be much better off. Until then, the downward spiral continues ...

 

[Ftransit]

If rates keep dropping we may have to downsize!

 

[davekc]

And then carriers wonder why we turn loads down and then question it. Simply amazing. No need to complicate the simple. Operators shouldn't be running it and carriers shouldn't be offering it and then penalizing operators for it. Industry is its own worst enemy at times yet fails to see or admit it.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

All depends on the carrier spoke with a recruiter at Bolt last week and they said .95 to a 1.05 a mile.

My carrier encourages me to run for .75 but I usually bid .80 to $1.00 a mile and sometimes I get it.

I specialize in long hauls. Tx to Mi, Tx to California and Colorado. I go places where most don't want to and I think that helps. I'm looking to run some loads to Miami as well this winter.

Response to DaveKC... Panther is the king of forced dispatch and bolt sadly is trying to emulate.
A lot of carriers don't wanna innovate, they operate like old conservative politics and don't offer forward thinking. They are just waiting to get swept away like the taxi industry did instead of being the one to change!

If you turn load down they make you sit and penalize you and put you in time out and make you feel like you've done something wrong. They lower their level of respect for you and treat you like a outcast

 

[OntarioVanMan]

And I personally thank you for it!
I've been in a busy area, where I wasn't the only vehicle around & I know for sure I wasn't the cheapest ... but we earned L1's business. I figured insurance verification had something to do with it.
Find a way to exclude the real riff raff & I think we'll all be much better off. Until then, the downward spiral continues ...

I feel the TEANNA group could develop its own load board, then highly encourage their broker network to come onboard and screw Sylectus if they really wanted to... too much riff raff on the board as John stated. Should be by invite only...but things have digressed so badly....way back NLM had strict rules, but even they have gone the way of the dinosaur....Example: we were bidding on a load out of CT.....unbelievably Tri State won the bid...Not even a unit within 200 miles for a ready now load....not 5 minutes later the load reappeared with said carrier reselling it...far too much of this going on...

 

[T270_Dreamin]

And I personally thank you for it!
I've been in a busy area, where I wasn't the only vehicle around & I know for sure I wasn't the cheapest ... but we earned L1's business. I figured insurance verification had something to do with it.
Find a way to exclude the real riff raff & I think we'll all be much better off. Until then, the downward spiral continues ...

I feel the TEANNA group could develop its own load board, then highly encourage their broker network to come onboard and screw Sylectus if they really wanted to... too much riff raff on the board as John stated. Should be by invite only...but things have digressed so badly....way back NLM had strict rules, but even they have gone the way of the dinosaur....Example: we were bidding on a load out of CT.....unbelievably Tri State won the bid...Not even a unit within 200 miles for a ready now load....not 5 minutes later the load reappeared with said carrier reselling it...far too much of this going on...

So Tristate got the load took a profit off it and contracted it out to a carrier for less money then they were awarded?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

And I personally thank you for it!
I've been in a busy area, where I wasn't the only vehicle around & I know for sure I wasn't the cheapest ... but we earned L1's business. I figured insurance verification had something to do with it.
Find a way to exclude the real riff raff & I think we'll all be much better off. Until then, the downward spiral continues ...

I feel the TEANNA group could develop its own load board, then highly encourage their broker network to come onboard and screw Sylectus if they really wanted to... too much riff raff on the board as John stated. Should be by invite only...but things have digressed so badly....way back NLM had strict rules, but even they have gone the way of the dinosaur....Example: we were bidding on a load out of CT.....unbelievably Tri State won the bid...Not even a unit within 200 miles for a ready now load....not 5 minutes later the load reappeared with said carrier reselling it...far too much of this going on...

So Tristate got the load took a profit off it and contracted it out to a carrier for less money then they were awarded?

absolutely it was reposted for a rate I was not prepared to run for...as my carrier asked me if I was still interested...CT for me is pretty good at getting out of...a low ball rate was NOT in my playbook...

you would think a large load board could have software to flag that load and forbid that bid...

a popup...."Sorry you have no valid unit within the perimeters for this load"

 

[T270_Dreamin]

Grizzly....truth be told the carrier you pull loads for, Load One obviously most likely has not got caught by our carrier compliance team yet. As we do everything in our power not to run the risk of that exposure insurance wise. Sadly nothing TEANA can really do. The multi system can be done legally even if business wise it doesn't always make great sense. The problem is even if done 100% legally...it cant be verified or monitored by a carrier such as our self.

From my perspective, that's the real issue. The fact that Teana cannot even police themselves. I understand I'm just a small cog in the wheel, but to put the failure of the system on owner/ops I think is somewhat misplaced.

Btw, just fyi ..that carrier was VOI cert (when that mattered/existed), and is completely legit! All of their vehicles are with CIS or you simply don't ride for them. As far as multi carriers go, they are a diamond in the rough. They are the only carrier I've ever gotten L1 loads through.

And your carriers are ok with the whole you ship thing?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

And I personally thank you for it!
I've been in a busy area, where I wasn't the only vehicle around & I know for sure I wasn't the cheapest ... but we earned L1's business. I figured insurance verification had something to do with it.
Find a way to exclude the real riff raff & I think we'll all be much better off. Until then, the downward spiral continues ...

I feel the TEANNA group could develop its own load board, then highly encourage their broker network to come onboard and screw Sylectus if they really wanted to... too much riff raff on the board as John stated. Should be by invite only...but things have digressed so badly....way back NLM had strict rules, but even they have gone the way of the dinosaur....Example: we were bidding on a load out of CT.....unbelievably Tri State won the bid...Not even a unit within 200 miles for a ready now load....not 5 minutes later the load reappeared with said carrier reselling it...far too much of this going on...

So Tristate got the load took a profit off it and contracted it out to a carrier for less money then they were awarded?

I don't blame any particular carrier for this going on...its the whole system that is flawed and lack of will to tighten up the load board requirements..as they all take the high road and claim they have no control over said board..but in theory, if no one uses it..it will go bust...

 

[jelliott]

TEANA is a trade organization, it isn't a carrier, broker or load board. So that would not be something for them. Sylectus has new competition coming, but I am far from sure it will be a game changer. Sylectus is fine for us, we just shut off the couple hundred carriers we will not use.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

TEANA is a trade organization, it isn't a carrier, broker or load board. So that would not be something for them. Sylectus has new competition coming, but I am far from sure it will be a game changer. Sylectus is fine for us, we just shut off the couple hundred carriers we will not use.

some of this erosion was started before you became a bigger player...prior to 06...lets hope it weeds outs even more of the riff raff...and Thanks for trying to hold the line...at least you make an effort...

 

[Slo-Ride]

TEANA is a trade organization,

So you belong to a Union?

 

[jelliott]

Nooooo totally different.


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[davekc]

All depends on the carrier spoke with a recruiter at Bolt last week and they said .95 to a 1.05 a mile.

My carrier encourages me to run for .75 but I usually bid .80 to $1.00 a mile and sometimes I get it.

I specialize in long hauls. Tx to Mi, Tx to California and Colorado. I go places where most don't want to and I think that helps. I'm looking to run some loads to Miami as well this winter.

Response to DaveKC... Panther is the king of forced dispatch and bolt sadly is trying to emulate.
A lot of carriers don't wanna innovate, they operate like old conservative politics and don't offer forward thinking. They are just waiting to get swept away like the taxi industry did instead of being the one to change!

If you turn load down they make you sit and penalize you and put you in time out and make you feel like you've done something wrong. They lower their level of respect for you and treat you like a outcast

Panther is certainly guilty but the reality is just about every carrier has to use manipulation in some form or fashion to get their freight covered that they shouldn't have accepted in the first place. Some are much worse than others but still basically the same end game. Much different than years past, that is for sure. I think carriers are there own worst enemy as I have said before. They are the direct result of that multi carrier model along with technology. When rates got too cheap to the drivers their own drivers basically became their competition. Carriers were making money hand over fist prior to that. Certainly no secret there. "Sins of the past"

 

[dc843]

Amazon is secretly building an 'Uber for trucking' app, setting its sights on a massive $800 billion market

I just saw they were opening 2 new distribution centers as well, may be a good time to buy amazon stock...

 

[jelliott]

Announced a new facility in Detroit today.


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