Hard to believe

layoutshooter

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Hunters for the Hungry is a VOLUNTARY charity group. It operates in several stats. It makes it possible for hunters to donate venison and game meats to those in need. All the hunter does is turn the meat over for processing and it is then passed on to those in need.

IMAGINE, a homeless person COMPLAINING about being fed healthy food! ONLY in America! What a TOTAL bum. I guess you CAN be both a BEGGER and CHOOSER in the U.S. What a disgusting person.

THEN the health department DESTROYED about 3200 perfectly good meals. They would not even return it to those who donated it!

IF I ever hear of this taking place it Michigan it will be the LAST time I donate anything!



[h=1]Health Dept.: Homeless Can’t Eat Deer Meat[/h]
By Todd Starnes
Hunters across Louisiana are outraged after state health officials ordered a rescue mission to destroy $8,000 worth of deer meat because venison is not allowed to be served in homeless shelters.


The Dept. of Health and Hospitals ordered the staff at the Shreveport-Bossier Rescue Mission to throw 1,600 pounds of donated venison in garbage bins – and then ordered then to douse the meat with Clorox – so other animals would not eat the meat.



“Deer meat is not permitted to be served in a shelter, restaurant or any other public eating establishment in Louisiana,” said a Health Dept. official in an email to Fox News. “While we applaud the good intentions of the hunters who donated this meat, we must protect the people who eat at the Rescue Mission, and we cannot allow a potentially serious health threat to endanger the public.”


That statement set off a firestorm among hunters and lawmakers who called it outrageous and insulting.


“That’s a mild understatement,” said Richard Campbell, one of the founders of Hunters for the Hungry, a group that has been donating wild game to shelters since 1993. “Hunters are going nuts over it. It’s created an outrage across our state and even over into Mississippi.”


The controversy started when someone being fed at the rescue mission complained about being fed deer meat.


Henry Martin, executive director of the mission, told Fox News they’ve been serving deer meat for years – from deer chili to deer spaghetti.


“This was really good meat,” he said. “It’s high in protein and low in cholesterol. It’s very healthy.”


Martin said he was extremely bothered by the way state health inspectors handled the situation.



“You would think we would have due process,” he said. “But they meant to destroy the meat – that’s for sure.”


The mission’s chef asked if they could at least return the meat to the processing plant – but the state officials said no.


“They actually took it out to the dumpsters, split the packages open and poured Clorox on it,” Martin told Fox News.


He said the rescue mission serves 200,000 meals a year – without a single dime of assistance from the state or federal governments. As a result of the confiscation, he said as many as 3,200 meals were lost.


“It seems like this was a senseless act,” he said. “I don’t think hungry people who come to our mission appreciate the fact they could have been eating some really good venison and as it is now – no one can eat it.”


The Health Dept. defended their actions and said they had to pour Clorox on the meat as an “extra precaution so that animals would not eat it from the dumpster and become sick or die.”


“This is a process called ‘denaturing,’” they stated.


Campbell said the venison comes from deer management programs – where hunters have to kill a lot of deer.
“We ask our hunters once they fill up their own freezers to give the extra to the needy,” he said

And hunters in the Sportsman’s Paradise have always responded to the call – including State Rep. Jeff Thompson.


“As a hunter and somebody who has personally donated deer to this program, I’m outraged and very concerned,” he told Fox News. “You hear about these stories anywhere and it’s a concern – but when it happens in your own backyard it’s insulting.”


Thompson said he is meeting with the heads of state agencies as well as state lawmakers to make sure the rules are changed.


“We take pride in helping our neighbors and to see thousands of dollars worth of meat that would help the hungry go to waste is absolutely disturbing to me,” he said.


Thompson said at the very least the meat should have been returned to those who donated it.


“We want to make sure the generosity of hunters and processors are honored and the hungry are provided with the food they are very much in need of,” the lawmaker added.











Health Dept.: Homeless Can?t Eat Deer Meat | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
 

LDB

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Those "officials" should be fired for stupidity. I'm sure it was Obama types who decided venison isn't allowed. They can't control it so they're against it.
 

layoutshooter

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Yeah, it's TRUE charity, not government extortion. Governments HATE those kinds of people who BELIEVE that THEY can help others in their OWN way!

From the Michigan organization:

"Thanks to our participating processors, in the 2012 hunting season MSAH helped facilitate the processing of over 30,000 pounds of venison into nutritious meals for needy families all across Michigan. That equated to over 150,000 hot meals for the hungry in our communities."

Two good links. The Michigan DNR link on the subject and the Michigan organizaition for donating meat.




Home

DNR - Michigan Sportsmen Against Hunger
 
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muttly

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The Health Dept. said the venison could be a potentially serious health threat as the reason. What type of threat exactly? Potentially not stored or processed properly prior to donation? Meat not inspected according to Health Dept guidelines? Just curious. The story says one person complained that the meat was from deer. Seems odd that one person complaining that the meat was deer and not beef would cause the Health Dept to destroy it all. Definitely an incredible waste unless there was a legitimate reason to destroy the meat.
 

paullud

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They should have known better, now if the venison was confiscated from the hunters under the threat of imprisonment then there wouldn't have been an issue.
 

Turtle

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The Health Dept. said the venison could be a potentially serious health threat as the reason. What type of threat exactly? Potentially not stored or processed properly prior to donation? Meat not inspected according to Health Dept guidelines? Just curious.
Yep, that's pretty much it. "...There was no way to verify how the deer were killed, prepared or stored, allowing the possibility of harmful or fatal food-borne illnesses if digested."

State sanitary code laws (the ones enacted by enraged and outraged lawmakers) say that deer meat is not permitted to be served in a shelter, restaurant, or any other public eating establishment in Louisiana.

So, they threw it all away and soaked it in bleach, bureaucracy at its finest.

Most (all?) states have laws of some kind or another prohibiting game from being served in restaurants, partially to preserve the abundance of game rather than making game an endangered commodity, and also because the problems in failing to identify diseased animals and in the lack of control over processing and storage of game. Most any restaurant that serves wild game must serve wild game that has been "farmed raised," which just cracks me up - farm-raised wild game. But it also prevents "road kill" from being served, which has happened.

However, state representatives and deer hunters gathered at the Shreveport-Bossier Rescue Mission just the other day to ensure the discarding of more than 1,400 pounds of meat never happens again. Louisiana Forces Homeless Shelter To Destroy $8,000 Worth Of Deer Meat « CBS Houston
 

davekc

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Have to go with items that are more nutritious. Like twinkies and ding-dongs that you can use food stamps or a WIC card on to purchase.:rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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Of course there can't be a simple solution to an insignificant problem. Bums that are picky eaters should be given the "Bum's Rush" out the back door and pointed to the nearest garbage bin. Chances are we're only going to be required to tolerate and support more of these parasites in the future as Barack Hussein Obama and his lackeys continue to spread the wealth around and make "the rich" pay their "fair share".

We're headed back to the future:

The Beatles - Taxman (remastered) - YouTube

For those who don't remember this classic from 1966, pay particular attention to the lyrics addressing Britain's tax structure at that time.:cool:
 

Turtle

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Not that I mind fishing, but it's very difficult to go to a restaurant and have fresh fried crappie. Crappie, if you've never had it, is a wonderful, magical thing. The old saying is true, the only thing better than a mess of fresh fried crappie is another mess of fresh fried crappie. :D

There are a handful of restaurants in KY where you can get it, but the few who are allowed to serve it can only serve it one or two days a week. In TN they have reinstituted the commercial fishing ban on crappie at Reelfoot Lake, which began originally because the crappie population was too large, thereby stunting their growth and numbers in the lake. Commercial fishing reduced the numbers and the fish ballooned in size and vitality. Now the numbers are down to they ban is back in place. If you want crappie, you'll have to catch it yourself. The same holds true for most "game" fish (which is know is a misnomer, since "game" only applies to land animals), like bluegill. If you want wild game, fish or land animals, you have to catch it yourself or go with farm-raised.

As Dave said, it's pathetic that the subsidized food items are cheaper than the foods that are actually good for you. Things made with processed and liquid corn are cheaper than, uhm, corn. How fubar is that? Fresh fruits and vegetables, and fresh natural meat is more expensive than the crap wrapped in cellophane found in the center aisles of the grocery store. Give me a break.
 

paullud

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Have to go with items that are more nutritious. Like twinkies and ding-dongs that you can use food stamps or a WIC card on to purchase.:rolleyes:

Not to mention the amount of food stamps and welfare that gets used on cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs.
 

Humble2drive

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The Dept. of Health and Hospitals ordered the staff at the Shreveport-Bossier Rescue Mission to throw 1,600 pounds of donated venison in garbage bins – and then ordered then to douse the meat with Clorox – so other animals would not eat the meat.

Two words:

LEGAL LIABILITY

The Rescue Mission was focused on the "mission"
The Dept. Of Health was focused on covering their azzes.

The Health Dept. defended their actions and said they had to pour Clorox on the meat as an “extra precaution so that animals would not eat it from the dumpster and become sick or die.”

Show me that one in their 5000 pages of regs!

Nature has an excellent system for handling dead carcasses. I would venture to say that animals can make that decision better than bureaucrats.

Many people refer to our republic incorrectly as a Democracy when it is constantly being proven that it is an Idiocracy with an out of control bureaucracy.*:(
 

Tennesseahawk

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Two words:

LEGAL LIABILITY

The Rescue Mission was focused on the "mission"
The Dept. Of Health was focused on covering their azzes.



Show me that one in their 5000 pages of regs!

Nature has an excellent system for handling dead carcasses. I would venture to say that animals can make that decision better than bureaucrats.

Many people refer to our republic incorrectly as a Democracy when it is constantly being proven that it is an Idiocracy with an out of control bureaucracy.*:(

But I've never seen no plants grow out of no toilet.
 

layoutshooter

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Most states, including the one in this story, have passed laws to allow this. It was blatant stupidity. There was not valid excuse. Just another fine example of government out of control.

There is no "health hazard" with venison, the opposite is true. The safety part is why deer have to be taken to processors. They cut it up, rejecting any bad meat.

The bum who complained should be cut off from ALL public assistance.

I do believe that one should be allowed to purchase a fishing or hunting license with food stamp money. Those who did would be eating FRESH food, as nature intended. They would be outside, getting exercise and learning to provide for themselves.

As the old saying goes, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life"

Providing for ones self improves one's self image, builds confidence and provides true dignity.

FOR TURTLE, and anyone on else interested. Here is the link to Kentucky's "Hunters for the Hungry" program.

http://www.huntersforhungry.org/default2.asp?active_page_id=89
 
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Humble2drive

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. . . It was blatant stupidity. There was not valid excuse. Just another fine example of government out of control.

There is nothing blatantly stupid about a Government worker following an ill conceived regulation that leaves no room for individual judgement and discretion. Not knowing if the meat was processed correctly, exactly how much time has transpired and what the temperature history is would all be valid reasons. You should know this being in T Val.


There is no "health hazard" with venison, the opposite is true. The safety part is why deer have to be taken to processors. They cut it up, rejecting any bad meat.

There is no "health hazard"; therefore, they must be taken to processors???

Again. It really comes down to legal liability. If the mission owners could legally accept responsibility (liability) for any negative health effects that some bad meat might cause, they would be advised not to do so.

Go holler at a lawyer! Those Marxist SOBs are behind all this! :p


The bum who complained should be cut off from ALL public assistance.

Funny thing is, that "bum" who complained could easily be a student or gainfully employed person.
During my time as a volunteer at The Los Angeles Mission we fed many many people. Many were simply low income families and some others were " starving students". We didn't ask. A lower percentage were actually homeless which I assume you are referring to as "bums" ?
 

layoutshooter

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It is apparent that some do not read the links to the State programs that, not only ALLOW, but ENCOURAGE people to donate venison and other game meats, to shelters, the poor etc. Liability has been addressed years ago.

This has been going on for DECADES in MOST states, including LA.

Every state that I have ever hunted in, which includes LA, has programs like this set up and this is the ONLY time I have ever heard of anything like this happening. I did, however, hear of shelters in North Dakota turning away snow goose meat, mainly because they already had more then they could use.

It amazes me that people turn down good, HEALTHY food.

I wonder of PETA or some Dumb-O-Crat politician put the dude up to making the complaint? NOTHING would surprise me these days.

"Starving Students" 'have NO business in soup kitchens or shelters. IF they cannot afford school and eating, quit school and get a job. We should NEVER be supplying food for able bodied people on anything more than a VERY short term basis.

The MORE you do FOR some one the LESS they do for themselves.
 
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LDB

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If venison that has been properly processed at a licensed processor is no good then beef and pork that has been properly processed at the same licensed processor must also be no good. They go through the same inspection and processing. The final product is the same. Either the processor is legitimate and so it their product or they are not. Our liberals will find some reason for there to be a difference but there isn't any. It would be similar to when in the 1980's my brother in law gave me a tour of the GM plant in OKC where they ejected Chev Celebrity, Buick something and Olds something from the same line depending on which grille and emblems they attached. The same stuff went in and was processed the same way all along the line and through the plant. Stupidity. Whether it's liberal stupidity or not is up for debate but almost assuredly it is liberal stupidity.
 

Tennesseahawk

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If venison that has been properly processed at a licensed processor is no good then beef and pork that has been properly processed at the same licensed processor must also be no good. They go through the same inspection and processing. The final product is the same. Either the processor is legitimate and so it their product or they are not. Our liberals will find some reason for there to be a difference but there isn't any. It would be similar to when in the 1980's my brother in law gave me a tour of the GM plant in OKC where they ejected Chev Celebrity, Buick something and Olds something from the same line depending on which grille and emblems they attached. The same stuff went in and was processed the same way all along the line and through the plant. Stupidity. Whether it's liberal stupidity or not is up for debate but almost assuredly it is liberal stupidity.

I think you're missing their point. They have no control over the deer in the wild, which are not injected with antibiotics and growth hormones. Therefore, they cannot be certified mutant by the FDA.
 

layoutshooter

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Venison has FLAVOR as well, something most store bought food has been lacking for decades. Flavor is bred out of farm animals.
 

Humble2drive

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It is apparent that some do not read the links to the State programs that, not only ALLOW, but ENCOURAGE people to donate venison and other game meats, to shelters, the poor etc. Liability has been addressed years ago.


Are you attempting to address my previous post??
If so, I beg of you to read the following and please please try to at least make an attempt to comprehend the concept presented:

"straw man . . . Is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."
Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For example:
Forum member [A] points out that a Government worker followed Health Department regulations and destroyed deer meat. Most likely because the proper documentation was missing.

Okay, let's leave it at that for simplicity sake. Now compare this:

Forum member responds by pointing out that there are groups that encourage the collection of game meat and it has been done for years.

Is this making sense? Member is bringing up a completely different proposition than member [A] and not addressing the original position.

I know that this is highly unlikely to have any impact on your style of debate. I just felt that after 24,709 posts, you might just listen to one valid critique. Any chance?
 
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